Apocalipsis has never done anything to be feared as an skyfather, he is in fact a jobber, an underdevelopped character and a boring oponent.
But look, if there is no PIS, Captain America has nothing to do here. The jobber aura is his life -in this fight, litteraly.
Ironman cannot beat any of the villian team. Is Thor supposed to solo them all?
Originally posted by masterbruce
no he doesn't. He's faced much tougher situations and survived. Now I'm not saying he won't get killed, but it's gonna be a lot tougher than his stats would indicate.
Yes he does.
Realistically, Magneto kills him with a wave of the hand. You yourself said that "Assume characters fight to their full potential but also within their character." Cap gets squished.
Iron Man gets killed relatively soon, too. He's good, but not good enough. Thor would be hard pressed to beat any of these guys, nevermind all of them.
Originally posted by jollyjim311Ok tell me YOU'RE joking too...
Realistically, Magneto kills him with a wave of the hand.......Thor would be hard pressed to beat any of these guys, nevermind all of them.
Where do these people come from?
I take it you know very little of Thor. He once humiliated Magneto and sent him running with his tail between his legs...
Against Apoc or Jugg, he's more or less even money...but Magneto is a joke to him.
Originally posted by Lord S
Ok tell me YOU'RE joking too...Where do these people come from?
I take it you know very little of Thor. He once humiliated Magneto and sent him running with his tail between his legs...
Against Apoc or Jugg, he's more or less even money...but Magneto is a joke to him.
He's talking about Cap. Not Thor.
Re: Magneto, Apocalypse, and Classic Juggernaut vs. Captain America, Iron Man, and Thor
Originally posted by masterbruce
The 3 deadliest X-Villains versus the 3 greatest Avengers.No prep. No PIS.
Assume characters fight to their full potential but also within their character.
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take thor vol. 2 issue one, and replace the Asgardian destroyer with juggernaut and you have your answer.
BFR isnt an option with juggernaut (assuming he is using his power) because even dimensional boundaries do not hold him. he can come crashing back to earth.
the heroes are GROSSLY underpowered here. juggernaut could take out cap and iron man with backhands. thor wouldnt be much trouble after that.
Originally posted by Lord S
Ok tell me YOU'RE joking too...Where do these people come from?
I take it you know very little of Thor. He once humiliated Magneto and sent him running with his tail between his legs...
Against Apoc or Jugg, he's more or less even money...but Magneto is a joke to him.
that was classic magneto (vastly less powerfull then his modern counterpart once got beat by spiderman)
and that was classic thor (vastly more powerful this his (non rkt or king thor) modern counterpart who once drove off galactus and beat a celestal)
I say villains win most of the time, but I could think of a few scenarios to get a win or two for the heroes.
I think if stacked up right, it would decide the outcome of the fight. Thor could KO Magneto right off the bat if he was the first one he came across (ala phase Mjolnir through shield), and that takes care of a large part of the team. After that, Iron Man can take it to Apoc for awhile, while Thor then has the chance to BFR Juggernaut.
Not saying that's really going to happen most of the time, but I'd give 'em 3/20
I don't think the Avengers team is quite as weak as others might think. If you want to see these three Avengers match up against some powerhouses, read 'Ragnarok.' There, Cap, Iron Man and a somewhat depowered Thor take on Loki, Fenris and Ulik all of whom are wielding Mjolnir-level weapons.
Both Cap and Iron Man save the team outright on more than a few occasions in the extended battle. Naturally, Thor is the last one standing, but without Iron Man and Cap, he would have been toast. Cap's shield means a lot since it can basically repel and defend anything thrown at it. Iron Man's got enough power to at the very least distract Magneto, Apocalypse or Juggernaut.
Personally, I don't think the Avenger's team could do anything about Juggernaut. Yeah, blow a crater underneath him or collapse a mountain or a skyscraper on top of him Spidey-style and bury him in rubble (I think Spidey did that to Juggy once), but since that in itself is BFR and the OP said no BFR, they'll have to deal with him sooner or later. I don't think any of them can.
Avengers best chance is for Thor to take care of Magneto early and fast - siphon his magnetism with mjolnir, and take him out of it. Iron Man tries to occupy Apocalpyse as long as possible, while Cap just tries to stay out of reach of Juggernaut - he is faster and more agile; Cain is big but still slow by comparison. Once it's 3-on-2, we've compensated for Cap's lack of power. Now Thor takes on Apocalypse, Iron Man goes to help against Juggs. If Thor takes care of Apoc, it's down to Juggernaut, though Cap may be dead by now. If Thor can neutralize the mystic field around Cain, and Tony can get his helmet off, there's possible victory.
It's the best scenario for the Avengers team I can think of.
Now that I see it under that light, its actually posible. The Cap stalls Juggs (totally capable of doing it), Thor kills Magneto in some picoseconds (totally capable) and IM stalls for his life.
Yep, this is pretty much people stalling for Thor, but as I see it, its something they could actually pull off. I'm surprised.
what if magneto decides to take out iron man first???
cause i dont imagine it would be a good idea to put the MOST POWERFUL villain (Juggernaut) up against the weakest link on either side. his shield cannot deflect juggernaut.
iron man nor cap are going to be obstacles for him. the best bet would be to put thor against him to TRY and slow him down. but we know how that goes.
Jugg walks and the other fighters fly, they dont have to mind him all that much until they make Magneto go squat.
I forgot the unmovable power of Juggs, I was just thinking about the imprevious to physical damage, sorry about that one. Juggs still aint taking the Cap down in two seconds, if he misses even one punch against the Cap, thats already stalling.
Originally posted by MetalmanxThat is Thor being an idiot mostly though if you think about it with the exception of Mags Juggs and Apoc are grounded. IM and Thor though can fly so two flyers against one. Thor takes Mags easily just to many possible attacks to use on someone with human durability. Cap is a none factor but yeah I think we have seen enough of Apoc to know that he isn't that tough IM could probably stalemate him for awhile until Thor finished with Mags and then Thor and IM should easily beat Apoc.
Juggernaut can just stand there and be a staller for Cap actually. In fact, why would Juggy even waste his time on Cap? He would go after Thor. And, as history has shown on a few occassions, Juggernaut defeats Thor.Cap is the weakest link. Good guys are pretty screwed here.
Of course they aren't taking down Juggernaut but Thor could negate his powers long enugh for them to get the helmet off and hope between one of them they can find some kind of telepathy.
Captain America is getting less credit than he deserves.
He is the leader of the Avengers for a reason. The guy's incredibly scrappy and has survived many situations that one of his abilities shouldn't be able to.
Captain America is obviously not an offensive threat, but he could serve as a great decoy to distract.
With his shield and his skills and experience, he will be able to keep the lumbering Juggernaut occupied for quite awhile.
So it would be Thor and IM versus Apoc and Mags.