Originally posted by capt it up
what a waist of your time. I wanted to know in a fist fight and non of thouse sources say fist fight do they?
The point is you can just waltz into one of those threads and ask about a pure hand to hand fight instead of making a fresh thread to circle-smurf in.
Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Ive honestly never seen anything that should put him over 800lbs, or anything stating about superhuman strength at all. This is Wolverine though who ends up doing a lot of things he shouldnt be able to...
He has been seen casually carrying an Moose over one shoulder. An average male Moose weighs 1000lbs, he carried to his cabin over one shoulder like it was nothing... and his cabin was on top of a mountain, so he would have had to climb a mountain - at least part of it - with a 1000lbs dead weight over his shoulder. He has also done the same with the Hulk, who's most liberal weight analysis is over 1000lbs. That is just two. Hell, some of his strength feats put him well over the two ton range. Like when he threw a full grown man from one end of a pool to the other... while under water... and the human projectile cracked the concrete wall of the pool when he hit it. I don't even know how strong you'd need to be to do that... even the strongest man in the world couldn't throw a baseball five feat while underwater. He is well, WELL, over the 800lbs range. He may even be in the 5 ton range... fact is aside from the elevator feat Wolverine has never struggled with a wieght.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
You're asking me if I noticed something I already pointed out?The point is you can just waltz into one of those threads and ask about a pure hand to hand fight instead of making a fresh thread to circle-smurf in.
Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
I didn't bring feats up, why? Because Wolverines feats are so off the wall, few can compare in relation to their base powersets. Going off of where the character was made to be, and not their feats, he shouldn't be over 800-1000lbs, let alone 2-4 tons.
Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
I didn't bring feats up, why? Because Wolverines feats are so off the wall, few can compare in relation to their base powersets. Going off of where the character was made to be, and not their feats, he shouldn't be over 800-1000lbs, let alone 2-4 tons.
He was originally meant to be Spider-man level in strength. Where has it ever been stated that he was ment to be in 800lbs range? It has never been said, or implied on panel that Wolverine is peak human and none of his feats support it. Your oppinion of where the character "should be" isn't in line with where the character is... or where he ever has been.
Mentions a few hundred pounds, no where near a few thousand:
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Wolverine_%28James_Howlett%29
Another,800lbs:
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/w/wolverine.htm
Like I said, feats I wasn't going to bring up at all, because like I said before, as far as "feats" go, Wolverine is all to well known for being able to do things he shouldn't be able to.
Originally posted by capt it up
why can't I? Not against the rules. why would you waist your time finding five threads honestly
And I find it unhelpful when someone says a thread has been done but doesn't post a link to it so I go ahead and find it. It's really not hard or time consuming at all to copy one search then paste the results.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He was originally meant to be Spider-man level in strength.
Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Mentions a few hundred pounds, no where near a few thousand:http://www.marvel.com/universe/Wolverine_%28James_Howlett%29
Another,800lbs:
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/w/wolverine.htm
Like I said, feats I wasn't going to bring up at all, because like I said before, as far as "feats" go, Wolverine is all to well known for being able to do things he shouldn't be able to.
Sweet deal use unofficial sources as evidence.
Marvel hand book 2002-2003 master edition
Marvel knights encyclopedia 2003
Official Wolverine hand book of the marvel universe
Marvel comics presents Wolverine volume 2
Hulk ultimate guide also states wolverine with superhuman strength.
(THE SHOW DOWN OF THE CENTURY DC VERSUS MARVEL COMICS) also states wolverine with superhuman strength.
Theses sources are official. Official sources>>>>>unofficial.
Also you said his feats do not go along with his original power set and yet I proved you wrong. Now your just digging a whole so deep you will never get out.
also feats are what the character is if you will not look at feats then you have nothing.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Oh, but it is.
No duplicate posting.
Before opening a thread please use the SEARCH feature to ensure that a thread on your subject does not already exist.And I find it unhelpful when someone says a thread has been done but doesn't post a link to it so I go ahead and find it. It's really not hard or time consuming at all to copy one search then paste the results.
He was also meant to be a mutated forest animal.
ya and did I duplicate a thread? last I checked fist fighting is not the same as a normal match
No, feats are what Marvel writes to get people to buy the issues. The base powerset is what a character was created off of, where his "stats" are on a general state.
I also own the handbook, it states the same around 800lbs, and the first link is from marvel itself, its official enough.
His feats majority of the time DO NOT run parallel with his powerset. He shouldn't be much over Cap, if at all.
Originally posted by capt it up
ya and did I duplicate a thread?
last I checked fist fighting is not the same as a normal match
Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
No, feats are what Marvel writes to get people to buy the issues. The base powerset is what a character was created off of, where his "stats" are on a general state.I also own the handbook, it states the same around 800lbs, and the first link is from marvel itself, its official enough.
His feats majority of the time DO NOT run parallel with his powerset.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Yes.That's why you take the dead thread and simply ask "What if it was pure hand to hand?" in the process of bumping it instead of asking for the forum to be cluttered with dozens of the same thread with different stipulations.
Official source Marvel hand book 2002-2003 master edition
Official source Marvel knights encyclopedia 2003
Official source Official Wolverine hand book of the marvel universe
Comic evidence Marvel comics presents Wolverine volume 2
Official source Hulk ultimate guide also states wolverine with superhuman strength.
Official source (THE SHOW DOWN OF THE CENTURY DC VERSUS MARVEL COMICS) also states wolverine with superhuman strength.
I spaced it out so you could see it better since you seem to miss this every time
Maybe we should admit when our favorite character does everything he shouldn't be able to do. If you'd read instead of jumping from one rant to the other, the Marvel Official Handbook, yes I own it. Says the same thing I've been stating. You state im a liar and am using unoffical resources, then want to point out wikipedia....
You also seem to be missing the point of what I am saying, I am not going off of "feats" as you'd like to keep trying to shove down my throat. Wolverines feats put him way over where he was ever supposed to be.Im going off of where the characters were created to be, and at that state Blade should surpass him in strength, match him in almost everything else except fighting ability, which I still feel calls for a 50/50.
Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
No, feats are what Marvel writes to get people to buy the issues. The base powerset is what a character was created off of, where his "stats" are on a general state.I also own the handbook, it states the same around 800lbs, and the first link is from marvel itself, its official enough.
His feats majority of the time DO NOT run parallel with his powerset. He shouldn't be much over Cap, if at all.
Wolverine was around for TEN YEARS, before the first batch of Marvel Handbooks were published. And those handbooks were writen by one man and published monthly. Marvel was just churning out what ever they could to get the books out of time so the could make as much money as they could. These books aren't cannon, they aren't official representations of a character's power level, they are companion pieces for collectors and role play aficionados. They mean less then nothing.
Own the hand book master edition.
Own the Marvel universe handbook.
Own the Hulk Ultimate Guide.
Anything Marvel vs. DC, isnt official.
I spaced it out so you could see.
Im not arguing against what Wolverine has done on panel, or even Blade for that matter. Im sure both present feats that give them showings far above what class they are supposed to be in. Comparing where both of these characters stand on a base powersets, still pulls out a 50/50 draw almost everytime IMO. Espically without Logan having his adamantium claws.
Same prinicpal applies to Squirrel Girl, should she be able to beat the people she does by her relative powers? No she shouldn't, same goes for Wolverine, based on his relative powers, he shouldn't be over 800-a ton.