Blade vs Wolverine

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capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Maybe we should admit when our favorite character does everything he shouldn't be able to do.

What does he do that he not suppose to do. I love to hear some thing I brought up that not with in his abilities.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
If you'd read instead of jumping from one rant to the other, the Marvel Official Handbook, yes I own it.

Really which year? Which one? I love to know.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Says the same thing I've been stating.

It does not though.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
You state im a liar

No I stated you were wrong.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
and am using unoffical resources,

Which you were.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Then want to point out wikipedia....

No did you not see that I said your evidence was no better then using wiki.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
You also seem to be missing the point of what I am saying,

I get what your saying your just wrong.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
I am not going off of "feats" as you'd like to keep trying to shove down my throat. Wolverines feats put him way over where he was ever supposed to be.

Wait so now you decide were logan should and should not be? Really what does logan do that he should not?

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Im going off of where the characters were created to be, and at that state Blade should surpass him in strength, match him in almost everything else except fighting ability, which I still feel calls for a 50/50.

But he does not that a fact. Blade has never shown any abilities on logan level. How would he put logan down?

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Own the hand book master edition.

Really what he stated under strength?

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Own the Marvel universe handbook.

Which one? Which year?

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Own the Hulk Ultimate Guide.

And what does it say about wolverine? That’s right it says superhuman strength.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Anything Marvel vs. DC, isnt official.

It is when they talked about it in dc in two different characters story lines. Logan was listed as superhuman strength in his Bio.

StarsNeverFall7 Senior Member

Taking bombs? Beating Sabertooth? Winning the majority of his battles against much stronger opponents? Ability to lift 2-5 tons? Being immortal?

Want to show me any scans of this books saying he is so much above 800-1000lbs?

Like I said, most of what wolverine does, doesn't fall under the characters powerset. I told you before I wasn't going to state a "feat" war, Wolverines got to many way above his teir. Wolverine wasnt intended to be the new face of jesus like so many people would like to believe. For the mutant level he is supposed to be in he is a great character, he just shouldn't be based in a multiple ton class, and thats basing it off of his abilities.

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Taking bombs?

Healing factor deals with that. That not PIS.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Beating Sabertooth?

How is that PIS? That’s his rival. Logan more skilled so he able to pull wins out that not a big deal at all and well with in his ability.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Winning the majority of his battles against much stronger opponents?

How that PIS? It well with in his ability and character to do so. Unless the heavy hitter has a healing factor logan will take the majority.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Ability to lift 2-5 tons?

It with in the range of a level 4 strength. How ever I find logan to be 2 tons.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Being immortal?

Lol your calling this PIS? Hahaha. It is a stated power of his how can that possibly PIS.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Want to show me any scans of this things saying he is so much above 800-1000lbs? Not feats either.

Why do I need to? It never been stated what his strength level was. It only be said he beyond human. His strength ranges go with his feats. He listed as superhuman which 2 tons falls with in the range.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Like I said, most of what wolverine does, doesn't fall under the characters powerset.

No I not really seeing your point here. All of what you have said falls with in his power set and stated abilities

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Wolverine wasnt intended to be the new face of jesus like so many people would like to believe.

No one has said this.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Espically in this case, he gets a stand still, espically against someone who fights vampires daily.

Vampires in marvel suck there barley peak human. Logan has easily killed many many vampires all at the sometime before in one of his earlist solo runs’.

Also you still have not answered my questions. I asked you what they listed logan strength level under in the fallowing sources you said you owned

Marvel hand book 2002-2003 master edition

Marvel knights encyclopedia 2003

Official Wolverine hand book of the marvel universe

Hulk ultimate guide also states wolverine with superhuman strength.

StarsNeverFall7 Senior Member

Want to show me any scans of this things saying he is so much above 800-1000lbs? Not feats either.

Why do I need to? It never been stated what his strength level was. It only be said he beyond human. His strength ranges go with his feats. He listed as superhuman which 2 tons falls with in the range.

His strength level has never been stated, but two sentences later, its listed as superhuman? 🙄

I've always seen his strength listed at peak to above human, aka 800-1000 pounds. Unless you want to show me something stating otherwise, thats where its staying.

His strength goes with his feats? Does that go for all his abilities, no wonder he beats herald level.

Wolverine be able to survive a bomb? Like I said, his healing isnt top in the MU. He shouldn't be taking bombs.

Both handbooks: 800lbs ( http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b/105-3556920-1138866?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=Marvel+handbook )

The new Marvel Encyclopedia
(http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0756623588/interactiveda485-20) : 800-1000lbs

Like I said despite his feats, the character isn't/wasn't supposed to be over the 800-1000 range, he's level with people like Cap, Black Panther, etc. Not in the multiple ton range.

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
His strength level has never been stated, but two sentences later, its listed as superhuman? 🙄

I ment his strength lifting level ahs never been stated. He ahs been stated as superhuman strength in sources and given range how ever it was never said how much he actually lifts.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
I've always seen his strength listed at peak to above human,

His strength level is almost always ecpt for one occasion been listed as beyond human or superhuman.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
aka 800-1000 pounds.

Aka 800-2tons.
Or in some cases it 800-24tons.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Unless you want to show me something stating otherwise, thats where its staying.

I already did about 4 times how ever you ignored it. Wolverine official hand book of the marvel universe made in 2004 states logan as a level 4 which is superhuman.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
His strength goes with his feats?

Yes it does as I have explained many times to your thick head.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
no wonder he beats herald level.

I think your mistaking wolverine for spiderman.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Wolverine be able to survive a bomb? Like I said, his healing isnt top in the MU.

No does it have to be? He has survived worse and is immortal so I no seeing were you are getting at. Logan done this type of heal numerous times and does not go against his recently stated power set either.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
He shouldn't be taking bombs.

Really now you are the voice of marvel? There no reason an immortal can not take a bomb. There no reason a person with a strong healing factor can not take a bomb. It really depends on what type of bomb we are talking about.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Both handbooks: 800lbs ( http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b/105-3556920-1138866?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=Marvel+handbook )

Hahahaa you are talking about that old ass one. The one they re did because it was so off. Ya the updated one to that is Official source Marvel hand book 2002-2003 master edition. No wonder you think Logan is so weak your material is wrong and terribly out dated. It was all redone because it was so in accurate.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
The new Marvel Encyclopedia
(http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0756623588/interactiveda485-20) : 800-1000lbs

Actually it states nothing to do with strength in there, but nice try. Please do not try and bull shit some one who has read it many times.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Like I said despite his feats, the character isn't/wasn't supposed to be over the 800-1000 range,

Yes he was which I have proven to you already, but your to thick.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
he's level with people like Cap, Black Panther, etc. Not in the multiple ton range.

Actually he listed over capt and black panther in every single hand book ecpt for the oldest one which was redone because it was so in accurate. Every other source states logan has above both black panther and capt because they are merely peak humans not superhumans.

So you were lieing when you stated you owned this sources? Yup you must have been since you have yet to answer my question on what level logan was rated as in each one.

Marvel hand book 2002-2003 master edition

Marvel knights encyclopedia 2003

Official Wolverine hand book of the marvel universe

Hulk ultimate guide also states wolverine with superhuman strength.

Metalmanx Illuminati Founder

Originally posted by capt it up
Official source Marvel hand book 2002-2003 master edition

Official source Marvel knights encyclopedia 2003

Official source Official Wolverine hand book of the marvel universe

Comic evidence Marvel comics presents Wolverine volume 2

Official source Hulk ultimate guide also states wolverine with superhuman strength.

Official source (THE SHOW DOWN OF THE CENTURY DC VERSUS MARVEL COMICS) also states wolverine with superhuman strength.

I spaced it out so you could see it better since you seem to miss this every time

Aren't you picking and choosing a bit here with the handbooks? The handbooks aren't always (not usually, really) accurate concerning most of the Marvel Universe. I'm just saying.

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Aren't you picking and choosing a bit here with the handbooks? The handbooks aren't always (not usually, really) accurate concerning most of the Marvel Universe. I'm just saying.

no but this kid won't look at feats only at what marvel has said. So I am showing what marvel has said and there is only one event in which a hand book said logan was not beyond human and that was in it first hand book which was terriably inaccurate and they corrected it.

Metalmanx Illuminati Founder
Originally posted by capt it up
no but this kid won't look at feats only at what marvel has said. So I am showing what marvel has said and there is only one event in which a hand book said logan was not beyond human and that was in it first hand book which was terriably inaccurate and they corrected it.

Hmm... 😖hifty:

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Hmm... 😖hifty:

lol

StarsNeverFall7 Senior Member

My thick head? I think Capt needs to re evaluate his reading and comprehension.

First off you want to tell me that his strength HAS NOT been stated. Then you want to tell me its been listed at a Superhuman Level. Then you want to tell me his strength changes with his feats, so basically he strength chances or increases, didn't know he had a hulk persona going on.

Since when is a thousand pounds a ton? Maybe we need to add a math class to that list.

I can search the internet and books for days, you're going to get the same answer. Wolverines healing and skeleton allow him to lift(press) roughly 800lbs.

He strength doesn't augment itself. He doesn't have the ability to change it. He doesn't get stronger as he gets madder.

So far you've done nothing but provide hypocriacy about Wolverines strength level and ask me for scans or evidence from books you've listed. Scans or evidence might I add that you yourself can not provide. You want to post a solid debate and prove me wrong, scan the information, post it. If your right, Ill eat my words.

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
My thick head?

Yes that is what I typed is it not?

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
First off you want to tell me that his strength HAS NOT been stated.

Yes his strength level has been stated as superhuman how ever how much he lifts has never been stated in a comic. That true for most characters.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Then you want to tell me its been listed at a Superhuman Level

Yes because it is. I meant that it has never been stated in comics that he lift x amount of weight.
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Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Then you want to tell me his strength changes with his feats, so basically he strength chances or increases, didn't know he had a hulk persona going on.

I never said this. I said his strength feats fall with in the level his strength category allows.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Since when is a thousand pounds a ton? Maybe we need to add a math class to that list.

When did I ever say that 1000 pounds was a ton? A ton is roughly 2000 pounds.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
I can search the internet

Sweet more non official evidence. I rather you not search the internet.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
and books for days, you're going to get the same answer. Wolverines healing and skeleton allow him to lift(press) roughly 800lbs.

Are you slow? Did I not list sources that say he beyond human and is superhuman? Yes I believe I did so. Are you so ignorant that you are unable to comprehend the fact I have given you evidence that proves your statement is false.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
He strength doesn't augment itself. He doesn't have the ability to change it. He doesn't get stronger as he gets madder.

Did I ever say this? Nope I did not.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
So far you've done nothing but provide hypocriacy about Wolverines strength level

Last time I checked I showed you evidence such as hand books and such. Oh wait here it is again Marvel hand book 2002-2003 master edition
Marvel knights encyclopedia 2003
Official Wolverine hand book of the marvel universe
Marvel comics presents Wolverine volume 2
Hulk ultimate guide also states wolverine with superhuman strength.
(THE SHOW DOWN OF THE CENTURY DC VERSUS MARVEL COMICS) also states wolverine with superhuman strength.

Last time I check that called evidence.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
and ask me for scans or evidence from books you've listed.

No I never asked you this. If you were not so dense you would know that I asked what they said in the fallowing sources

Marvel hand book 2002-2003 master edition

Marvel knights encyclopedia 2003

Official Wolverine hand book of the marvel universe

Hulk ultimate guide also states wolverine with superhuman strength.
I asked you this because you said you own them which I believe to be a lie. So tell me what do they say about wolverine strength.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Scans or evidence might I add that you yourself can not provide.

I listed the titles and what it said in side of the hand books that is what people call evidence is it not.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
You want to post a solid debate and prove me wrong, scan the information, post it. If your right, Ill eat my words.

No you will do more then eat your words. Tell me what it says in the sources I listed. You said you owned them so lets see you answer a simple question.

I bet you’re a liar and do not own those sources like you said. I bet you will try and ignore this question the same question you have ignore 4 times. I want in your on words to tell me what they said wolverine strength is.

Swanky-Tuna Post-Crisis Balki

Originally posted by capt it up
It is when they talked about it in dc in two different characters story lines.

Something can be canon in one universe and non-canon in the other.

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Something can be canon in one universe and non-canon in the other.

I was under the impression if it cannon in one it cannon in both

StarsNeverFall7 Senior Member

Originally posted by capt it up
Yes that is what I typed is it not?

Yes his strength level has been stated as superhuman how ever how much he lifts has never been stated in a comic. That true for most characters.

Yes because it is. I meant that it has never been stated in comics that he lift x amount of weight.
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I never said this. I said his strength feats fall with in the level his strength category allows.

When did I ever say that 1000 pounds was a ton? A ton is roughly 2000 pounds.

Sweet more non official evidence. I rather you not search the internet.

Are you slow? Did I not list sources that say he beyond human and is superhuman? Yes I believe I did so. Are you so ignorant that you are unable to comprehend the fact I have given you evidence that proves your statement is false.

Did I ever say this? Nope I did not.

Last time I checked I showed you evidence such as hand books and such. Oh wait here it is again Marvel hand book 2002-2003 master edition
Marvel knights encyclopedia 2003
Official Wolverine hand book of the marvel universe
Marvel comics presents Wolverine volume 2
Hulk ultimate guide also states wolverine with superhuman strength.
(THE SHOW DOWN OF THE CENTURY DC VERSUS MARVEL COMICS) also states wolverine with superhuman strength.

Last time I check that called evidence.

No I never asked you this. If you were not so dense you would know that I asked what they said in the fallowing sources

Marvel hand book 2002-2003 master edition

Marvel knights encyclopedia 2003

Official Wolverine hand book of the marvel universe

Hulk ultimate guide also states wolverine with superhuman strength.
I asked you this because you said you own them which I believe to be a lie. So tell me what do they say about wolverine strength.

I listed the titles and what it said in side of the hand books that is what people call evidence is it not.

No you will do more then eat your words. Tell me what it says in the sources I listed. You said you owned them so lets see you answer a simple question.

I bet you’re a liar and do not own those sources like you said. I bet you will try and ignore this question the same question you have ignore 4 times. I want in your on words to tell me what they said wolverine strength is.

I told you which books were owned, and what was stated in them(800-1000lbs) aside from the Hulk Ultimate guide, which at 5am I currently do not have access to. These same books, you also stated wern't valid, outdated, and recently corrected. Question was already answered, not ignored. Learn to read.

You have given nothing, but book names with your own words behind them. If you want to make it believeable, give a book name, and a scan following it to validate your crazy accusations. So far you have hearsay, hardly evidence supporting anything. The're your sources, how about you get a scanner and show me what they say? Not in your own words either.

Metalmanx Illuminati Founder
Originally posted by capt it up
When did I ever say that 1000 pounds was a ton? A ton is roughly 2000 pounds.

No "roughly" about it. A ton is 2000 pounds.

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
I told you which books were owned, and what was stated in them(800-1000lbs).

This is what I have been waiting to hear. Not only are you a liar, but your pretty dumb as well.

You said you own this:
Marvel knights encyclopedia 2003
and that it says logan is 800-1000 strength level? Really now? To bad they do not even list strength ranges in this book. It only lists if you are human, peakhuman, superhuman ect. So you lied.

You said you own this as well:
Wolverine official hand book of the marvel universe.
You said this says logan is between 800-1000? To bad this has logan listed as a level 4 that is 800-24tons. Second lie for you.

Next lie is that you said this says logan is 800-1000 tsk tsk
Marvel hand book 2002-2003 master edition

here are his stats from the book
http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinege2.jpg
here are what the stats mean
http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=statsva0.jpg

also just so you know here the 3rd time you lied. It says clearly in the stats 800-2tons.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
You have given nothing, but book names with your own words behind them. If you want to make it believeable, give a book name,

I did that .

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
and a scan following it to validate your crazy accusations.

Crazy accusations? Every thing I said was true. I do not have a scanner how ever I had some scans on my computer as you se above

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by Metalmanx
No "roughly" about it. A ton is 2000 pounds.

I have heard people say a ton is 2005 pounds as well though.

StarsNeverFall7 Senior Member

Enhanced Human, same area as Captain America, Black Panther, etc. That 800-2tons, is alot closer to what I was stating then the 2-5 tons that has been listed. Enhanced isnt "superhuman".

Therefor, your entire rant of nonsense about him having "superhuman" strength you just voided out. Thank you.

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Enhanced Human, same area as Captain America, Black Panther, etc.

There peakhumans and you still lied. Here is capts stats.
http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captsstatsxv3.jpg

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
That 800-2tons, is alot closer to what I was stating then the 2-5 tons that has been listed.

I was saying the whole freaken time he is a 2 tonner and yet you kept on denying it even to the point of lieing.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Enhanced isnt "superhuman".

Enchanced humans means beyond human limits. If you are beyond human limits then you are in fact superhuman. Logan is either listed as enchanced human or superhuman they mean the same thing. Enchanced human is simply a level of superhuman. I have evidence I already stated that say he is superhuman. There really is not difference they all me the same thing pretty much. Also those are logans older stats based of his powers his agility and reflxes would have gotten better so should his strength, but at a lot lesser degree.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Therefor, your entire rant of nonsense about him having "superhuman" strength you just voided out. Thank you.

Enchanced human means superhuman. Enchanced human=beyond human bodies limits. Which is beyond peakhuman.

Bald Bugger Restricted

Blades stronger but if Logan gets his healing factor he wins. Even if it was classic he could take it. Blades not strong enough.