Yoda vs. Darth Bane
This is RotS Yoda, Bane at his peak from what we have already seen, takes place in a neutral setting (too lazy to come up with one) and anything goes.
I'd personally say that Bane owns him, but I know that there are others who even believe that Bane would lose, so this thread should be interesting.
Originally posted by The Planet
Well sith are generally more powerful than Jedi, and about Yoda being the most powerful up until that time, there's not actually proof for that. And Bane by BotS is arguably the most powerful sith up until Palpatine, anyway.
The novelization says that he is the most powerful foe that the darkness has ever known; so, technically, he's not just the most powerful Jedi. He's the most powerful person to ever oppose the dark side prior to Luke.
A canon source disagrees.
As for Bane, one could argue that Ragnos, Kun, and Revan are all just as powerful - if not more.
I don't know the book name, but there was one that said Palpatine > Bane. Palpatine = Yoda. Thus by the transitive property, Yoda > Bane.
Yeah. It's either a book or an article. Lightsnake gave me the name of it, one time. And then there's Sith Dynasties or something like that which said that Sidious was the most powerful Sith Lord.
DE Sidious is a hell of a lot more powerful than Bane.
I don't see how there is even a debate for this, with the likes of the planet and his lack of credibility. It's very simple. Sidious>Bane. Yoda=Sidious. Yoda has shown mastery on levels above and beyond Bane. Yoda>Bane.
Yoda's experience and knowledge of the Force would most definately supercede Bane's, I suppose.
Originally posted by General Kenobl
I don't know the book name, but there was one that said Palpatine > Bane. Palpatine = Yoda. Thus by the transitive property, Yoda > Bane.
People made that up, there's no proof for that, and the source they used was incorrect, as I searched in it and there wasn't anything remotely related to what they said. However, the people were referring to DE Sidious when they made that up anyway, who is much more powerful than Yoda.
I don't see how there is even a debate for this, with the likes of the planet and his lack of credibility. It's very simple. Sidious>Bane. Yoda=Sidious. Yoda has shown mastery on levels above and beyond Bane. Yoda>Bane.
Like what? Yoda isn't shit. Name one thing on par with pulling a moon out of orbit.
Originally posted by Gideon
The novelization says that he is the most powerful foe that the darkness has ever known; so, technically, he's not just the most powerful Jedi. He's the most powerful person to ever oppose the dark side prior to Luke.A canon source disagrees.
Here’s the exact quote:
Finally, he saw the truth.
This truth: that he, the avatar of light, Supreme Master of the Jedi Order, the fiercest, most implacable, most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known...just—didn't—have it.
It’s quite a clear example of free indirect discourse, the narrator indirectly voicing a character. The narrator is basically saying that Yoda came to realise the truth, and the indirectly explaining what the ‘truth’ was. In other words, it’s not coming from the omniscient narrator, it’s coming from a fallible third party character.
As for Bane, one could argue that Ragnos, Kun, and Revan are all just as powerful - if not more.
Arguably… I personally view BotS Bane as being the strongest sith ever except Palpatine.
Yeah. It's either a book or an article. Lightsnake gave me the name of it, one time. And then there's Sith Dynasties or something like that which said that Sidious was the most powerful Sith Lord.
That article never says such a thing, you can check it yourself, it’s in the ‘webstrips: Reversal of Fortune thread’.
DE Sidious is a hell of a lot more powerful than Bane.
I disagree. He’s slightly more powerful than BotS Bane. Remember, Bane pulled a moon out of orbit, that’s incredible.
Yoda's experience and knowledge of the Force would most definately supercede Bane's, I suppose.
Maybe so, but his raw power is far behind Bane’s, from what we’ve seen.
You are an idiot. Nice strawman argument. Bane attacked Kas'im with a wave of force energy, Kas'im defended against it and redirected a portion of the attack, and its redirection was able to collapse the entire Rakatan temple. So a portion of Bane's actual attack, redirected, was capable of collapsing an entire 20 story temple. The blast full on would have been much much more powerful, it's raw power far beyond Yoda.
Originally posted by The Planet
You are an idiot. Nice strawman argument. Bane attacked Kas'im with a wave of force energy, Kas'im defended against it and redirected a [b]portion of the attack, and its redirection was able to collapse the entire Rakatan temple. So a portion of Bane's actual attack, redirected, was capable of collapsing an entire 20 story temple. The blast full on would have been much much more powerful, it's raw power far beyond Yoda. [/B]
Do you KNOW what a strawman argument is? You have truly given me a reason to come back to this forum. A village idiot is exactly what it needs and now, it's got one. Keep arguing that the blast proved Bane has more raw power than Yoda. Everyone heres needs a laugh.
Originally posted by The Planet
Yes. You attacked an argument I never came up with, a distorted version of mine.How about you start proving that Yoda can contend with Bane, because I've provided great points in favour of Bane, and so far you've brought nothing to the debate.
no no, you said Bane's force waved proved Bane has more raw power than Yoda. That IS an argument, no matter how shitty it is, therefore it isn't a strawman. But please, humor me some more.
Originally posted by The Planet
You are an idiot. Nice strawman argument. Bane attacked Kas'im with a wave of force energy, Kas'im defended against it and redirected a portion of the attack, and its redirection was able to collapse the entire Rakatan temple. So a portion of Bane's actual attack, redirected, was capable of collapsing an entire 20 story temple. The blast full on would have been much much more powerful, it's raw power far beyond Yoda.
Making things up?
Bane took a minute to focus and build up the force so that he could unleash a push (a powerful one, but just a push) that Kas'im blocked. He didn't block the area around him, though, meaning the blast went past him, and knocked out a few walls of an Ancient Temple (in this case, it's age and sturdiness must be taken into account), this caused the temple to collapse.
It was a very powerful attack, I'll give it that, but let's not make it out to be more than it was. What should be noted is that Bane had to build up his force energy prior, and with the full blast, it took out a few walls of an Ancient Temple. I don't mean to diminish the feat, I just want to be realistic. It was still a very powerful blast, especially given Banes short training time.
Originally posted by darthsith19
So this is Bane with his Orbalisks? Then he wins for sure, Yoda cannot get passed his armor with Ataru. His Orbalisk armor is nearly inpenetratable, Ataru would be the worst form because it focuses on speed and not strength.
Give it a rest. Bane's orbalisks have several weak points, and his head is totally unprotected..
Please