Spider-Man VS. The Thundercats : HOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I don't. While Tigra was HELLA agile and quick he lacks the 20+ ton strength and the superhuman durability Spidey has going for him. Tigra won't be much of a problem honestly

Has is tigra not going to be a problem? He strong enough to cause spiderman some real damage. He an extremely skilled combatant and his tactics are far superior to spidermans. He can also turn invisible which make it even harder for spiderman to land a hit on him. Also he has a whip that he is a master at using. If this whip hits spiderman then spiderman will be in a world of hurt if not KOed form the explosion.

Originally posted by capt it up
Spiderman has enhanced durability at best not superhuman. Tigra is quite strong. Tigra pulled a tree down a huge tree straight out of the ground with pure strength.

Has is tigra not going to be a problem? He strong enough to cause spiderman some real damage. He an extremely skilled combatant and his tactics are far superior to spidermans. He can also turn invisible which make it even harder for spiderman to land a hit on him. Also he has a whip that he is a master at using. If this whip hits spiderman then spiderman will be in a world of hurt if not KOed form the explosion.

Don't get me wrong, man. I know Tigra is badass. But his badass-ness level is not high enough for him to give Spider-Man problems.

Sure, Tigra has low-end superhuman strength. But when he starts lifting up train cars like they're nothing, then come talk to me. He's not strong enough to inflict much damage on Pete.

Second. Yes, Spidey has superhuman durability. Argue it all you want, it's the truth.

Third. Tigra turns invisible then thinks he's got the edge. Then Spider-Man decks him. That pesky spider-sense again!

Lion-O takes him alone

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Don't get me wrong, man. I know Tigra is badass. But his badass-ness level is not high enough for him to give Spider-Man problems.

Sure, Tigra has low-end superhuman strength. But when he starts lifting up train cars like they're nothing, then come talk to me.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
He's not strong enough to inflict much damage on Pete.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Second. Yes, Spidey has superhuman durability. Argue it all you want, it's the truth.

T

Originally posted by Metalmanx
hird. Tigra turns invisible then thinks he's got the edge. Then Spider-Man decks him. That pesky spider-sense again!

If this is the unimaginative and predictable Thundercats from the cartoon, Spidy would probably win. If it's the badass Thundercats from the comics that teamed up with Superman a couple years ago, I think they will bring a little too much for Spider-Man to deal with all at once.

Originally posted by capt it up
When does being stronger mean you win? Last I checked it over all abilities.

Yes he is. Capt has and tigra stronger then capt. He quite clearly strong enough to inflict damage on spiderman and not to mention with his skills he be hitting vital areas.

He never ounce been stated that in any source. He is at best enchanced durability which is superhuman since it beyond human limits how ever it not the level you seem to think. He Not bullet prove, not knife prove. He non of that.

T
You never read the comics have you? Tigra would never think that..

Didn't you argue just yesterday that "enhanced" = "superhuman"? 😬
Because I think you did.

Regardless, Spidey has feats to prove that he has superhuman durability. I never argued him being knife/bullet proof. But they have more trouble piercing him than if it was someone else taking the blow. I mean, do you see all the punishment Spidey takes? 90% of the time, even some super strong blows don't leave scratches or cut marks on his person. Hell, he's hardly even ever bruised.

Hell. Spider-Man is more DURABLE than Wolverine. Wolverine, however, is more RESILIENT than Spidey. There is a difference.

And I never said strength is the key to victory. It's more strength+speed+agility+reflexes+etc., etc... = victory. Which Spider-Man has in spades.

Caps power doesnt come from his strength...its also why you cant teach KO power

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Didn't you argue just yesterday that "enhanced" = "superhuman"? 😬
Because I think you did.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Regardless, Spidey has feats to prove that he has superhuman durability. I never argued him being knife/bullet proof. But they have more trouble piercing him than if it was someone else taking the blow.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I mean, do you see all the punishment Spidey takes? 90% of the time, even some super strong blows don't leave scratches or cut marks on his person. Hell, he's hardly even ever bruised.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Hell. Spider-Man is more DURABLE than Wolverine.

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Originally posted by Metalmanx
And I never said strength is the key to victory. It's more strength+speed+agility+reflexes+etc., etc... = victory. Which Spider-Man has in spades.

Originally posted by capt it up
Yes and If you had fully read through my argument then you would see that I said it does.

It more of blunt damage type deals.

That is really the artist fault more then any thing else.

No he really is not. Spiderman has been KOed with a shot to the shoulder.

Like I have been saying. Spiderman will have trouble with one let a lone all at once

...Are you REALLY resorting to blaming the artist for things now? 🙁

And yes, I know most of his damage is blunt trauma. I'm aware of that. I wonder though, if blunt trauma cannot cause cuts and bruises, why is it that boxers get all cut and bruised up during their matches? 😕

My point is, sufficient blunt trauma can (and usually does) cause breakage of the skin and bruising, both of which Spidey hardly ever shows, even against opponents who severely outclass him in strength.

Spider-Man is more durable. Wolverine is more resilient.

Durable: Capable of withstanding wear and tear or decay (damage).

Resilient:
1. springing back; rebounding.
2. returning to the original form or position after being bent, compressed, or stretched.
3. recovering readily from illness, depression, adversity, or the like; buoyant.

Oh, and:
http://thegrandhour.typepad.com/thegrandhour/images/wolverine_vs_spock_1.jpg

Originally posted by Metalmanx
...Are you REALLY resorting to blaming the artist for things now? 🙁

And yes, I know most of his damage is blunt trauma. I'm aware of that. I wonder though, if blunt trauma cannot cause cuts and bruises, why is it that boxers get all cut and bruised up during their matches? 😕

Originally posted by Metalmanx
...My point is, sufficient blunt trauma can (and usually does) cause breakage of the skin and bruising, both of which Spidey hardly ever shows, even against opponents who severely outclass him in strength.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
...Spider-Man is more durable.

Also I know the stupid definition

Originally posted by capt it up
No, but the fact is artist do not think of things like how they really are. You do not think when a person get punch they will get cut so that is why the artist do not put it in at times. Hell DD hardly ever gets scratches either when punched same with most every character.

Same with every other character.

Not true. Spiderman is list in no cannon sources to have beyond human durability. Logan how ever is. Also really spiderman has no feat of durability greater then logan.

Also I know the stupid definition

False. The artist are hired for A) Their artistic talent, and B) Their ability to correctly convey the scene. Plus, it's mostly the writers' doing anyway. The writers don't have Spider-Man bleeding when he gets hit a lot. They do, however, have Wolverine bleed most times when hit hard enough.

I don't really care if no sources have listed it. His many many years as a superhero and the comics that portray his life are enough proof for me.

DD rolls with A LOT of punches, therefore decreasing their effectiveness.

Hell, Wolverine bleeds all the time (not all the time, but a LOT) when he gets hit in the face or something. Hell, the Elk kick made him bleed if I remember correctly.

Yes, yes it did.

Edit: Wow. He bled QUITE a bit there. Check out that blood trail!

Originally posted by Metalmanx
False. The artist are hired for A) Their artistic talent, and B) Their ability to correctly convey the scene. Plus, it's mostly the writers' doing anyway. The writers don't have Spider-Man bleeding when he gets hit a lot. They do, however, have Wolverine bleed most times when hit hard enough.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
DD rolls with A LOT of punches, therefore decreasing their effectiveness.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Hell, Wolverine bleeds all the time (not all the time, but a LOT) when he gets hit in the face or something. Hell, the Elk kick made him bleed if I remember correctly.

Yes, yes it did.

Edit: Wow. He bled QUITE a bit there. Check out that blood trail!

Originally posted by capt it up
That’s not true at all. Most no one bleeds in comics. Really depends on who is drawing the comic. Some artists show blood some do not. I t really all depends on the artist and the content there aloud to show.

It not simply DD he was an example. New swordsmen, capt, ect.

So low end showings are now the norm? I could easily find a issue of spiderman bleeding. Logan hardly ever bleeds from blunt damage. Remember how spiderman whaled and whaled on him with out making him bleed at all. Hell he did not even have a scratch on him if I am no mistaken.

Sigh.

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/4646/wolverine088page04059ks.jpg

Since you always argue that his healing factor is different from his "superhuman" durability, then this kick shouldn't have caused him to bleed, eh?

I thought Wolverine's bones were more durable, too?
http://img343.imageshack.us/my.php?image=deadpool27150wy.jpg

Hell, Cap bled when he got punched by Iron Man. Yes, I know it was Iron Man, but he obviously wasn't punching with a severe amount of power, otherwise Cap's head would've flown off.

Give me some more time, I'll find some more evidence, I'm sure. However, I have a paper to write, so I should probably get on that.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Sigh.

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/4646/wolverine088page04059ks.jpg

Since you always argue that his healing factor is different from his "superhuman" durability, then this kick shouldn't have caused him to bleed, eh?

I thought Wolverine's bones were more durable, too?
http://img343.imageshack.us/my.php?image=deadpool27150wy.jpg

Hell, Cap bled when he got punched by Iron Man. Yes, I know it was Iron Man, but he obviously wasn't punching with a severe amount of power, otherwise Cap's head would've flown off.

Give me some more time, I'll find some more evidence, I'm sure. However, I have a paper to write, so I should probably get on that.

Metalmanx, one reason that you don't see spiderman bleed often is because he is wearing a mask.

Also, I disagree that artists try to portray damage accurately. As you know, the quality of artists vary greatly and while some artists try to portray more realism, others try to portray sensationalism.

Also, look at that second pic you posted, in the bottom panel, wolverine's claws don't even look right. That just proves that comic artists don't really consider a lot of things we consider. They draw to satisfy the average fan, not the KMC debater who is going to examine every panel for evidence of a character's durability.

Originally posted by NiñoAraña
i want you to find SOMEONE with those scans...cus i wanna see it, cus you always bring it up....

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Sigh.

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/4646/wolverine088page04059ks.jpg

Since you always argue that his healing factor is different from his "superhuman" durability, then this kick shouldn't have caused him to bleed, eh?

I thought Wolverine's bones were more durable, too?
http://img343.imageshack.us/my.php?image=deadpool27150wy.jpg

Hell, Cap bled when he got punched by Iron Man. Yes, I know it was Iron Man, but he obviously wasn't punching with a severe amount of power, otherwise Cap's head would've flown off.

Give me some more time, I'll find some more evidence, I'm sure. However, I have a paper to write, so I should probably get on that.

What I get from your first picture is that Wolverine bleeds when he doesn't have adamantium bones or a healing factor that is working correctly.

What I get from your second picture is that Wolverine's bones can be broken when he doesn't have adamantium on them. I may be mistaken, but sure look like bone claws to me. See the broke-ass middle claw that Cyber broke? Bone claws.

What is the point you're trying to make? That Wolverine has normal durability when he has no adamantium inside him and his regeneration isn't working correctly? Okay. Uh... Good job then.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Metalmanx, one reason that you don't see spiderman bleed often is because he is wearing a mask.

Also, I disagree that artists try to portray damage accurately. As you know, the quality of artists vary greatly and while some artists try to portray more realism, others try to portray sensationalism.

Also, look at that second pic you posted, in the bottom panel, wolverine's claws don't even look right. That just proves that comic artists don't really consider a lot of things we consider. They draw to satisfy the average fan, not the KMC debater who is going to examine every panel for evidence of a character's durability.

I felt it was implied that I was referring to the moments where either his costume had been torn or his mask removed. Obviously. Even some of the times when his mask is ripped up, there's usually no blood, and barely any bruising.

The second picture was when Wolverine had bone claws. So no, it proves nothing. The art is correct in that picture.

Originally posted by Sabretooth
What I get from your first picture is that Wolverine bleeds when he doesn't have adamantium bones or a healing factor that is working correctly.

What I get from your second picture is that Wolverine's bones can be broken when he doesn't have adamantium on them. I may be mistaken, but sure look like bone claws to me. See the broke-ass middle claw that Cyber broke? Bone claws.

What is the point you're trying to make? That Wolverine has normal durability when he has no adamantium inside him and his regeneration isn't working correctly? Okay. Uh... Good job then.

Okay.

If you had been reading the previous posts that Capt and I made, he argued that Wolverine hardly ever bleeds from blunt trauma due to his "superhuman" durability (note: NOT healing factor). I've shown him two instances now where he has in fact bled from the impact of blunt trauma. The healing factor works to stop said bleeding and heal the wound. It doesn't prevent damage from being done in the first place.

The second picture is another piece of evidene against Wolverine's durability. Capt always says that Wolvie's bones (even his regular, non-adamantium ones) are much stronger and more durable than normal bones. Yet a quick kick by Deadpool, and Wolverine's leg snaps. And yes, I know it healed, and probably pretty quickly. But that's not the point. I was trying to get my point across that Wolverine's "durability" is based mostly on his healing factor.

Please read the previous posts next time.

Spider-Man is more durable. Wolverine is more RESILIENT.

Um... I don't care about the thread, but I wanna point out something.
Spider-man DOES have superhuman durability, that allows him to take some class 100 punches without being KOed or killed.