Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Then it is unlikely they would have all been sentenced to death anyway under a legal system, since morality is a subjective thing socially, and Christianity most surely has had different ideas on what is morally correct compared to say more liberal, progressive societies.
I thought we gave ourself that.
And once again - right and wrong, interesting in terms of social history. Have great civilisations and not so great ones throughout history been in opposition to what the Bible would say is "correct"? Yes. Did that make the people evil? No (but some certainly. If there were civilisations at this point then there would have been a difference. If the majority of the crimes were "moral" in nature then it is likely they would not have legal or social crimes at the time. It annoys me those representations of the period that simply show people killing and raping one another - since there seems to be no real historical representation of such a time when all humanity bar one man and his family were like that.
Unconditional love tends, in a poets eyes, to suggest one is never to far gone for the person doing the loving to give up. I can't believe God, sending his son to... what was it, ah yes " to die--painfully--for even rapists, murderers, torturers, and worse" would, if that was true, suddenly think "these people are beyond help." What crime can a person commit that is so heinous that it makes even God, infinitely loving and forgiving God, declere them beyond hope?I mean if theoretically the greatest butchers of history had hope for salvation, with their plans and wars that cruelly killed millions... well, the mind boggles at what kind of crime every single person at that time was committed that put them beyond salvation.
However, it wasn't even that they were doing so much wrong that they were beyond hope, but they had no inclination to do right. At the time period described, apparently there was no tendency to do right (or even desire to do so).
This leads me to believe that, in cities like Sodom and Gommorah, the people had so warped and perverted their minds that they had more or less eliminated any good thoughts.
So it is subjective and abstract. God didn't actually tell them, the way a parent tells a child, but rather gave them the "ability to tell right from wrong" even though morality and what is crime and what isn't has changed dramatically over the 6,000 + years of humanity? Even the difference in what is ok and not change from OT to New? Then this influence from God is a very weak influence, or it isn't as clear cut.
Parents still tend to go to jail when they kill their children because they have decided they are bad.
Nothing really, bad wording on my part. And yes, the old Job thing. Because good parents are known for letting bad people do bad things to their children to prove a point.
It doesn't bother to tell us what their crimes were, just the old generic "they were evil" - I bet they were sitting around stroking white cats and twisting their moustaches. Because I mean, that is the kind of things very, very evil people do. And as I said above - I really can't imagine what kind of thing every person could be doing that compares to some of the crimes individual people have committed and gone unpunished with. And sometimes even committed in the name of God or Allah or any other deity.This I call inconsistency and lacking clarity of purpose.
Yes, because those Egyptians, oh they were evil. Granted, it was punishment of the Pharaoh through his people (even though by rights God should have had any number of ways of getting people out of Egypt.) And of course the children. Any practical, cold general knows the best way to get at the enemy is through their children/civilians it seems.
Thus, when Pharaoh was "raised up," God chose Moses to release the Israelites. Though Moses, God performed miracles to demonstrate His power and glory to the Egyptians--including taking the first born male of the Egyptians. This, of course, was a harsh blow to the Egyptians--and yet which group had murdered male infants beforehand? Which group threw them into the river?
Of course they were, which was what made the suffering of the Egyptians all the more worth while. As well as all the other peoples through the world who were slaves but didn't get freed by God. And all the slaves that would follow that would never be set free until society changed.Because God is inconsistent with who he helps and who he doesn't.
More bad men? Thank goodness everyone was bad, otherwise God might get some funny looks with all the killing going on when he was about. If only we knew what actually made them bad. If only there was some actual bit of history that revealed their were cultures irredeemably evil. But alas there isn't. I guess at least we have God's claim "they deserved it they did."
Yes, human choice etc. etc. etc. God no way responsible. Bad things happen when you believe in God, when you don't believe in God. Jews disobey - they are punished. Job doesn't disobey - well, we know what happens there. The Christians weren't disobeying - but they got nicely persecuted.
The funny thing is how little faith or understanding it seems God has of humanity. One wonders why he created us before if all it has led to is "anger held in check" for so long. I mean really - and the fact it is prophesied seems to indicate he knew long ago it would never get any better - why bother?
And "I'm pissed that you all ****ed things up so badly"?There goes the image of God being a proud parent of a fan of human freedom. God wanted us to do things, we didn't he let us not do them, but it doesn't matter we apparently had the freedom - we will be punished because we didn't dance to God's tune properly.
Angry, angry parent:Son: "Dad... I want to be an actor."
Father: "Well... I thought we talked about you becoming a lawyer like your old man."
Son: "Well, I've been thinking, and I decided it wasn't for me. And you always extolled the virtues of living life the way I thought was right."
Father: "I said that, but I didn't mean it. Live the life you want, but you'll be out on your ear while your doing it."
I mean really. All human achievement - good or bad, gone.
Wiped out by a God grumpy we didn't live up to his standards.
Bugger what we think or feel. Bugger the fact he stood back and let us "****ed things up so badly" while claiming to be on our side.
The truth is he has apparently been angry at us for a long time, yet unlike a good parent has done nothing about it except apparently give us claims that are neither verifiable, don't always fit history or science and so on.
Bugger the fact he seems to have never had any confidence in us as a species. What a poor craftsman.
(Too many words, so need a new post.)
I think you'll like this article about baby-killing Yahwehs.
http://www.christian-thinktank.com/killheir.html
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Pot, Kettle.
Originally posted by FeceMan
(Too many words, so need a new post.)I think you'll like this article about baby-killing Yahwehs.
The Article means shit to me, even though I read over it twice...
So Pharoah forced God to kill the firstborn of Egypt ? Oh wow..... 🙄 so much for an all powerful god !
Originally posted by Oncewhite
Here's my theory on pedophiles (who could be seen as rapist). again, if we can understand why, we can CURE a person, remember the third eye, and how it is related to innocence, and the two glands (pituitary and penal gland). Remember that when kids are growing up, most boys hate girls and vise verse. Things change when the sex hormones or size in the gland fluctuates, depending on when they "mature" or are taught sex. This is why some women, after having children, end up hating sex, as the size of the sex gland changes and they become the little girl again that hates boys, unfortunately, her husband.If you look at the penal and pituitary gland, one is bigger when a person is a child, as they grow OR HAVE SEX, the sex gland either gets larger or causes the other gland to get smaller...the third eye of the child becomes dim...if a person is having sex at 11, and ONLY if the sex is pleasurable, the physical change is done in their body (sex hormones, change in sex glands) and that person (if they were experimenting with children their same age) may grow up to still have sexual desire for that age group, even after growing up. If the person was molested by an adult, their "learning" and again, it's only if it's pleasurable, becomes one that they start to see the child that was their age as needing to be "open" the same way they were "opened". Problem for them is that not everyone like sex, not every child will find it pleasurable, some children will do things just because they are told to and feel that if they tell, they are bad...so, if it's a non-pleasurable experience, the children will more then likely tell, and they will have hatred for it and will not repeat it in another child when they grow up. If the child found it pleasurable, they may grow up feeling cheap or dirty or that they need to keep a secret, and will likely repeat it to another child (however, that child may hate it and tell)...that's my theory, it's ugly, but that's it.
This is why I suspect that being "gay" is related to changes in the dna chemistry via voodoo or spirits or entity (female spirit camping in a male body)...and it effects the hormones of the body (b/c the dna code is being altered, effecting the brain) and therefore, people who are gay will have different brain chemistry in a way, and I think it's evident of it.
The third eye has to do with enlightenment and not innocence. Voodoo has no effect on those who do not believe in it and the same is true about the myth being called demons or spirits. Also, when DNA charges in the body it is called cancer and or radiation poisoning.
Originally posted by Oncewhite
Here's my theory on pedophiles (who could be seen as rapist). again, if we can understand why, we can CURE a person, remember the third eye, and how it is related to innocence, and the two glands (pituitary and penal gland). Remember that when kids are growing up, most boys hate girls and vise verse. Things change when the sex hormones or size in the gland fluctuates, depending on when they "mature" or are taught sex. This is why some women, after having children, end up hating sex, as the size of the sex gland changes and they become the little girl again that hates boys, unfortunately, her husband.If you look at the penal and pituitary gland, one is bigger when a person is a child, as they grow OR HAVE SEX, the sex gland either gets larger or causes the other gland to get smaller...the third eye of the child becomes dim...if a person is having sex at 11, and ONLY if the sex is pleasurable, the physical change is done in their body (sex hormones, change in sex glands) and that person (if they were experimenting with children their same age) may grow up to still have sexual desire for that age group, even after growing up. If the person was molested by an adult, their "learning" and again, it's only if it's pleasurable, becomes one that they start to see the child that was their age as needing to be "open" the same way they were "opened". Problem for them is that not everyone like sex, not every child will find it pleasurable, some children will do things just because they are told to and feel that if they tell, they are bad...so, if it's a non-pleasurable experience, the children will more then likely tell, and they will have hatred for it and will not repeat it in another child when they grow up. If the child found it pleasurable, they may grow up feeling cheap or dirty or that they need to keep a secret, and will likely repeat it to another child (however, that child may hate it and tell)...that's my theory, it's ugly, but that's it.
This is why I suspect that being "gay" is related to changes in the dna chemistry via voodoo or spirits or entity (female spirit camping in a male body)...and it effects the hormones of the body (b/c the dna code is being altered, effecting the brain) and therefore, people who are gay will have different brain chemistry in a way, and I think it's evident of it.
Meh, I've never been one to really blame the spirit(s), Satan, God, or whatnot though..I take responsability for myself. Which of course - is something that most Christians should do, before coming to God and asking for repentence(sp?) Furthermore - as it is stated within the bible, God is all-loving(he loves everyone) - and his love is beyond all understanding.
This love extends(and includes) everyone - even those who do not love him. If he was not all-loving - and self serving(wanting to serve no one but himself) - then he would have destroyed any creation who acted against him(sinned) immediately upon them having done so. But - as it is demonstrated within the scriptures, God is patient, kind, and humble - he truly wants everyone to change - even if it means he himself will on the loosing something near and dear to him(like his son).
Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Meh, I've never been one to really blame the spirit(s), Satan, God, or whatnot though..I take responsability for myself. Which of course - is something that most Christians should do, before coming to God and asking for repentence(sp?) Furthermore - as it is stated within the bible, God is all-loving(he loves everyone) - and his love is beyond all understanding.This love extends(and includes) everyone - even those who do not love him. If he was not all-loving - and self serving(wanting to serve no one but himself) - then he would have destroyed any creation who acted against him(sinned) immediately upon them having done so. But - as it is demonstrated within the scriptures, God is patient, kind, and humble - he truly wants everyone to change - even if it means he himself will on the loosing something near and dear to him(like his son).
You really didn't respond to his post. All you did was take the opportunity to preach. Please stop that, and go find a street corner to proselytize on.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You really didn't respond to his post. All you did was take the opportunity to preach. Please stop that, and go find a street corner to proselytize on.
Meh, we both should be able to *preach* our views fairly within the forum. So long as we are not insulting anyone while giving our sermons. You just happen to be *preaching* a different sermon than myself.
Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Meh, we both should be able to *preach* our views fairly within the forum. So long as we are not insulting anyone while giving our sermons. You just happen to be *preaching* a different sermon than myself.
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I consider proselytizing to be a controversial and hostile topic.
Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Meh - I consider you giving your opinion on my opinion being *proselytizing* to be a hostile topic..Anyway - shall we now continue to *preach* erhem - discuss our opinions on said topic...
My opinion is not proselytizing, I have not been preaching to anyone.
Any mod, please give your opinion.