Originally posted by FeceMan
He sent Jesus to die--painfully--for even rapists, murderers, torturers, and worse.
In that case they wouldn't have anything to do and still receive his best treatment. How does Satan assraping folks fit in? (except for gays who like that).
Originally posted by Kelly_LS
Well I haven't raped/murdered/etc anyone......you ha.....Bardock...is there something you're not telling me?😛
Originally posted by Imperial_SamuraI watched the Prince of Egypt the other day with my nephew and niece. Entertaining movie for religious or atheist/agnostic alike. 😊
5th - Gets the Jews out of Egypt after inflicting some terrible things in the Egyptian people.
One thing did recurrently strike me though... why didn't god just teleport them out of Egypt, having already interfered in the affairs of man? Why resort to the needless killing of innocent children?
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
How is that Love ? Slaughtering your own son sounds sadistic to me...
Meh, it shouldn't - I mean everyone should *individualize* love, and there are different forms of love(according to you), all based on personal experience - so you shouldn't really have a problem with it....
Originally posted by debbiejo
According to the bible, one sin isn't above the other, so in that regards if you told a lie it is the same as murder..etc., Soooo it's ok for God to send his son to get murdered??? Isn't He breaking a commandment?
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
How is that Love ? Slaughtering your own son sounds sadistic to me...
Originally posted by Nellinator
It was just a physical body. Jesus did not die, but rose again. Jesus willingly did it, so it all works out. Jesus was willing to die for you because he loves you, but he rose again to give you new life.
Why did Jesus think that God had forsaken him then? Weird. All very weird.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Would they indeed? Even by ancient standards, where the death penalty was far more common... well, what kinds of crimes were they committing? I mean for the whole world to be given the death penalty they would have to have all been going around killing and committing treason and all the rest.... basically complete anarchy which for some reason leads to all people being bastards.Or would it have been they might not necessarily have been committing legal crimes, but rather "moral ones" - which is significantly shakier ground.
And how exactly had God disciplined them? A good parent does not do nothing and then out of the blue start whacking the kids - exactly what had God done to educate this evil mass before he suddenly set the flood on them?
Were was Jesus with his message and salvation? Were was Moses with some plagues? The story has always sounded more to me like:"One day God got up and remembered earth and the people. He looked and was disgusted. Thus he decided humanity was stuffed. However he saw Noah, who wasn't stuffed, and decided he would be spared. Thus he wiped out everyone, and then feeling kind of guilty sent a rainbow to show he wouldn't be so summery ever again. Noah and co replenished humanity and God eventually sent Jesus to tell people what was what. The end."
Tell me - does a parent have any responsibility, in your eyes, for the way their children turn out? We can bang on till the cows come home about free will and letting them be what they are, but let us face it, a parent is an influencing factor on child.
Everyone chose wrong.
Can you honestly say, in the whole "parent" metaphor , that God has been a good parent? What exactly did he do? It seems to go a little like this:1st - Creates humanity, puts them in a garden and leaves some poison down for them but tells them not to digest it. They do, he gets cross, ejects them from the garden and lets their sin distance humanity from God forever (until Jesus.)
2nd - Destroys some cities and all who dwell there.
3rd - Some stuff with Job, Abraham and all the rest which tends to show God as not the nicest.
I'm trying to figure out what God did with Abraham that was so bad.
4th - Suddenly decides to put the cleaner through humanity and kills everyone but Noah and co.
"The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time."
Basically, everyone on the Earth was very, very evil. They were bad men who deserved to be punished for their evil. Thus, they were punished.
5th - Gets the Jews out of Egypt after inflicting some terrible things in the Egyptian people.
6th - Lets the Jews wander around for a while and gives them some laws and things about slavery and shellfish.
7th - Gets the Jews to kill the people in the Holy land, settle there, go off the tracks and then get conquered by almost every power that passes by.
8th - Suddenly decides maybe people should have a chance to get into Heaven. Sends Jesus to die horribly, a job well done as Christians then get persecuted for a while before they turn to persecuting and then stop persecuting and instead fight amongst themselves over who is correct.
9th - Will leads humanity through a time of horror and suffering know as revelations.
And some other stuff. What things in the Bible actually support God being a good parent?
God is a petty vindictive *******.
Now for the proof
God is all powerful. Therefore God could easily create a world with out rapists, murders etc.
God has not created such a world therefore God must hates everybody equally.
So no God does not love rapists but has nonethless allowed them to exist in order to screw with people.
And yes that really is what I believe.
Heckeling god or God isn't going to change things. It's our business to discover the "reason" why people do things that are hateful, when we do, we can treat them or cure them, if we never find out why, we will continue punishing someone AFTER the event, and that's after they damaged or hurt someone else's life.
Here's my theory on pedophiles (who could be seen as rapist). again, if we can understand why, we can CURE a person, remember the third eye, and how it is related to innocence, and the two glands (pituitary and penal gland). Remember that when kids are growing up, most boys hate girls and vise verse. Things change when the sex hormones or size in the gland fluctuates, depending on when they "mature" or are taught sex. This is why some women, after having children, end up hating sex, as the size of the sex gland changes and they become the little girl again that hates boys, unfortunately, her husband.
If you look at the penal and pituitary gland, one is bigger when a person is a child, as they grow OR HAVE SEX, the sex gland either gets larger or causes the other gland to get smaller...the third eye of the child becomes dim...if a person is having sex at 11, and ONLY if the sex is pleasurable, the physical change is done in their body (sex hormones, change in sex glands) and that person (if they were experimenting with children their same age) may grow up to still have sexual desire for that age group, even after growing up. If the person was molested by an adult, their "learning" and again, it's only if it's pleasurable, becomes one that they start to see the child that was their age as needing to be "open" the same way they were "opened". Problem for them is that not everyone like sex, not every child will find it pleasurable, some children will do things just because they are told to and feel that if they tell, they are bad...so, if it's a non-pleasurable experience, the children will more then likely tell, and they will have hatred for it and will not repeat it in another child when they grow up. If the child found it pleasurable, they may grow up feeling cheap or dirty or that they need to keep a secret, and will likely repeat it to another child (however, that child may hate it and tell)...that's my theory, it's ugly, but that's it.
This is why I suspect that being "gay" is related to changes in the dna chemistry via voodoo or spirits or entity (female spirit camping in a male body)...and it effects the hormones of the body (b/c the dna code is being altered, effecting the brain) and therefore, people who are gay will have different brain chemistry in a way, and I think it's evident of it.
The majority probably were moral crimes.
Then it is unlikely they would have all been sentenced to death anyway under a legal system, since morality is a subjective thing socially, and Christianity most surely has had different ideas on what is morally correct compared to say more liberal, progressive societies.
He gave them consciences, the ability to discern right from wrong.
I thought we gave ourself that. And once again - right and wrong, interesting in terms of social history. Have great civilisations and not so great ones throughout history been in opposition to what the Bible would say is "correct"? Yes. Did that make the people evil? No (but some certainly. If there were civilisations at this point then there would have been a difference. If the majority of the crimes were "moral" in nature then it is likely they would not have legal or social crimes at the time. It annoys me those representations of the period that simply show people killing and raping one another - since there seems to be no real historical representation of such a time when all humanity bar one man and his family were like that.
Presumably, God saw the people of the Earth as doing so much wrong that they were beyond salvation.
Unconditional love tends, in a poets eyes, to suggest one is never to far gone for the person doing the loving to give up. I can't believe God, sending his son to... what was it, ah yes " to die--painfully--for even rapists, murderers, torturers, and worse" would, if that was true, suddenly think "these people are beyond help." What crime can a person commit that is so heinous that it makes even God, infinitely loving and forgiving God, declere them beyond hope?
I mean if theoretically the greatest butchers of history had hope for salvation, with their plans and wars that cruelly killed millions... well, the mind boggles at what kind of crime every single person at that time was committed that put them beyond salvation.
That influence being "I've given you the ability to tell right from wrong."Everyone chose wrong.
So it is subjective and abstract. God didn't actually tell them, the way a parent tells a child, but rather gave them the "ability to tell right from wrong" even though morality and what is crime and what isn't has changed dramatically over the 6,000 + years of humanity? Even the difference in what is ok and not change from OT to New? Then this influence from God is a very weak influence, or it isn't as clear cut.
'Cause they were bad people.
Parents still tend to go to jail when they kill their children because they have decided they are bad.
I'm trying to figure out what God did with Abraham that was so bad.
Nothing really, bad wording on my part. And yes, the old Job thing. Because good parents are known for letting bad people do bad things to their children to prove a point.
"The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time."Basically, everyone on the Earth was very, very evil. They were bad men who deserved to be punished for their evil. Thus, they were punished.
It doesn't bother to tell us what their crimes were, just the old generic "they were evil" - I bet they were sitting around stroking white cats and twisting their moustaches. Because I mean, that is the kind of things very, very evil people do. And as I said above - I really can't imagine what kind of thing every person could be doing that compares to some of the crimes individual people have committed and gone unpunished with. And sometimes even committed in the name of God or Allah or any other deity.
This I call inconsistency and lacking clarity of purpose.
Again, punishment.
Yes, because those Egyptians, oh they were evil. Granted, it was punishment of the Pharaoh through his people (even though by rights God should have had any number of ways of getting people out of Egypt.) And of course the children. Any practical, cold general knows the best way to get at the enemy is through their children/civilians it seems.
Actually, the Israelites were douches, hence the wandering.
Of course they were, which was what made the suffering of the Egyptians all the more worth while. As well as all the other peoples through the world who were slaves but didn't get freed by God. And all the slaves that would follow that would never be set free until society changed.
Because God is inconsistent with who he helps and who he doesn't.
The people killed were the bad mens. The Jews were conquered because of their disobedience to God.
More bad men? Thank goodness everyone was bad, otherwise God might get some funny looks with all the killing going on when he was about. If only we knew what actually made them bad. If only there was some actual bit of history that revealed their were cultures irredeemably evil. But alas there isn't. I guess at least we have God's claim "they deserved it they did."
They already had a chance to live eternally. Also, all the persecutions and fighting were done by human choice. Not God.
Yes, human choice etc. etc. etc. God no way responsible. Bad things happen when you believe in God, when you don't believe in God. Jews disobey - they are punished. Job doesn't disobey - well, we know what happens there. The Christians weren't disobeying - but they got nicely persecuted.
Yeah. It's an "I'm pissed that you all ****ed things up so badly even after giving you numerous chances to be saved--including the easiest, least-requirement heavy 'ask and ye shall be saved' sacrifice that you decided to ignore. Now I'm going to start unleashing this anger I've held in check for so long and there is proof that I am the LORD--yet you will still ignore me and do wicked things.
The funny thing is how little faith or understanding it seems God has of humanity. One wonders why he created us before if all it has led to is "anger held in check" for so long. I mean really - and the fact it is prophesied seems to indicate he knew long ago it would never get any better - why bother? And "I'm pissed that you all ****ed things up so badly"?
There goes the image of God being a proud parent of a fan of human freedom. God wanted us to do things, we didn't he let us not do them, but it doesn't matter we apparently had the freedom - we will be punished because we didn't dance to God's tune properly. Angry, angry parent:
Son: "Dad... I want to be an actor."
Father: "Well... I thought we talked about you becoming a lawyer like your old man."
Son: "Well, I've been thinking, and I decided it wasn't for me. And you always extolled the virtues of living life the way I thought was right."
Father: "I said that, but I didn't mean it. Live the life you want, but you'll be out on your ear while your doing it."
I mean really. All human achievement - good or bad, gone. Wiped out by a God grumpy we didn't live up to his standards. Bugger what we think or feel. Bugger the fact he stood back and let us "****ed things up so badly" while claiming to be on our side. The truth is he has apparently been angry at us for a long time, yet unlike a good parent has done nothing about it except apparently give us claims that are neither verifiable, don't always fit history or science and so on. Bugger the fact he seems to have never had any confidence in us as a species. What a poor craftsman.
Originally posted by Oncewhite
Etc.This is why I suspect that being "gay" is related to changes in the dna chemistry via voodoo or spirits or entity (female spirit camping in a male body)...and it effects the hormones of the body (b/c the dna code is being altered, effecting the brain) and therefore, people who are gay will have different brain chemistry in a way, and I think it's evident of it.
This is why I suspect you don't really know what you are talking about, because the science behind you theory is complete and utter tosh.
Best keep it in your head where it can't pollute the world.
Originally posted by Oncewhite
Here's my theory on pedophiles (who could be seen as rapist). again, if we can understand why, we can CURE a person, remember the third eye, and how it is related to innocence, and the two glands (pituitary and penal gland). Remember that when kids are growing up, most boys hate girls and vise verse. Things change when the sex hormones or size in the gland fluctuates, depending on when they "mature" or are taught sex. This is why some women, after having children, end up hating sex, as the size of the sex gland changes and they become the little girl again that hates boys, unfortunately, her husband.If you look at the penal and pituitary gland, one is bigger when a person is a child, as they grow OR HAVE SEX, the sex gland either gets larger or causes the other gland to get smaller...the third eye of the child becomes dim...if a person is having sex at 11, and ONLY if the sex is pleasurable, the physical change is done in their body (sex hormones, change in sex glands) and that person (if they were experimenting with children their same age) may grow up to still have sexual desire for that age group, even after growing up. If the person was molested by an adult, their "learning" and again, it's only if it's pleasurable, becomes one that they start to see the child that was their age as needing to be "open" the same way they were "opened". Problem for them is that not everyone like sex, not every child will find it pleasurable, some children will do things just because they are told to and feel that if they tell, they are bad...so, if it's a non-pleasurable experience, the children will more then likely tell, and they will have hatred for it and will not repeat it in another child when they grow up. If the child found it pleasurable, they may grow up feeling cheap or dirty or that they need to keep a secret, and will likely repeat it to another child (however, that child may hate it and tell)...that's my theory, it's ugly, but that's it.
This is why I suspect that being "gay" is related to changes in the dna chemistry via voodoo or spirits or entity (female spirit camping in a male body)...and it effects the hormones of the body (b/c the dna code is being altered, effecting the brain) and therefore, people who are gay will have different brain chemistry in a way, and I think it's evident of it.
You have to be the hugest idiot on KMC