The Nephilim..and Pre-Flood Times

Those who are familiar with the Letter to Jude(as referenced in scriptures) - should have read the "Sons of God" passage - regarding angels engaging in intercourse with the "daughters of men" - and producing a race of giants -- or more appropriately titled in the Hebrew Language *Nephilim*

I haven't completely read the book of Enoch - however, from what I have read within it - apparently Enoch was sent as a prophet, to preach to these Nephilim(or as the book of Enoch calls them *Watchers*) during these pre-flood times, to inform them of their coming demise.

I had a couple of questions, for anyone who could answer them - regarding the Nephilim and the book of Enoch.

First Question: How was it possible for the angels to procreate with humans? I always thought the angels themselves, were not capable of doing so..(although I must admit - the bible never does state that they aren't incapable of doing it).

Second Question: Based on what I've read - and based on the fact that the Nephilim were considered abominations, is it correct in stating that they would die like animals - going back to the dust, and not being eligible for salvation?

Third Question: I have heard it stated that their were a few Nephilim who survived the flood - and this is why God had the Israelites completely destroy certain races of people post-flood, due to the Nephilim's blood still contaminating the gene pool. I had also heard that the Philistine Goliath(whom David killed) was a descendant of one of the surviving Nephilim..is all of this correct?

Fourth Question: Is it possible that these fallen angels - also created some of these other abysmal creatures..the ones we referred to in ancient Greek/Roman fairytales?(Griffin - Minataur(sp) etc...)

Fifth Question: In addition - I had also learned that the story of Tartarus(Greek Underworld) and how the various God's who disobeyed Zeus got sent there, is very similar to the Christian story of God sending the fallen angels who engaged in intercourse with human females(in that God sent them all to be imprisoned in Hell - until the very end of times to be judged) - can anyone extrapolate on this one?

After these questions have been answered - feel free to discuss anything regarding pre-Flood times. I'm not trying to reinterpret scripture in any sense, just wanted to get some clarity on these issues.

Please take note - that this thread is not meant to allow for those who dislike Christian doctrine - to throw baseless insults at those who believe in what is being discussed, or for others to disprove its validity(ex: This is all just mythology - waste of time!!)

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
(ex: This is all just mythology - waste of time!!)

Well if thats what you think I dont feel like replying.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well if thats what you think I dont feel like replying.

I'm not sure if this is sarcasm or not - but just to clarify, I do believe in that their is much validity to what's posted above, just not sure how accurate all of it is. The reason for making this thread is to get some explanations - and/or discuss these pre-Flood times. With that being stated - if you have any additional input or if you would like to attempt to answer the questions(above) please do so now.

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo

First Question: How was it possible for the angels to procreate with humans? I always thought the angels themselves, were not capable of doing so..(although I must admit - the bible never does state that they aren't incapable of doing it).

Well first of all the bible might say alot of stuff some of contradictory. The reason why the angels can procrearte with humans is because both humans and angels have similarities. Remember that humans orginally came from Paradise a place where God and angels dwell. Eventhough they are not in the same state as they were in Paradise they still have similarities between angels in the sense that they orginally came from the same place.

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo

Second Question: Based on what I've read - and based on the fact that the Nephilim were considered abominations, is it correct in stating that they would die like animals - going back to the dust, and not being eligible for salvation?

Well basically they would got to hell.

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo

Third Question: I have heard it stated that their were a few Nephilim who survived the flood - and this is why God had the Israelites completely destroy certain races of people post-flood, due to the Nephilim's blood still contaminating the gene pool. I had also heard that the Philistine Goliath(whom David killed) was a descendant of one of the surviving Nephilim..is all of this correct?

Im not sure I know that the Nephilim had children called Anakim, I think thery were wiped out.

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo

Fourth Question: Is it possible that these fallen angels - also created some of these other abysmal creatures..the ones we referred to in ancient Greek/Roman fairytales?(Griffin - Minataur(sp) etc...)

Maybe. Actually I think Lilith is the one who gives birth to monsters
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Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo

Fifth Question: In addition - I had also learned that the story of Tartarus(Greek Underworld) and how the various God's who disobeyed Zeus got sent there, is very similar to the Christian story of God sending the fallen angels who engaged in intercourse with human females(in that God sent them all to be imprisoned in Hell - until the very end of times to be judged) - can anyone extrapolate on this one?

Im not sure about that but this myth seems to have orignated from Sumerian mythology where something similar happens but nobody is punished.

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo

After these questions have been answered - feel free to discuss anything regarding pre-Flood times. I'm not trying to reinterpret scripture in any sense, just wanted to get some clarity on these issues.

Well I will say this. This issue of angels marrying humans is something that appears in all myths for example in Norse Lore they have the Alfs. Some Alfs marry humans and have children. Some humans are descended from Alfs (Elves). Alfs are like the Norse version of angels and every culture seems to have their "angels".

Well, if you think of Aliens as angles, and aliens having technology, then it's not odd for them to be able to tweek dna, have sex with "humans", and breed a different race that will be just as rebellious as the angles having sex with them. Makes sense to me. And it would make sense that God started over again with a more simple race, able to be more slave like. Nothing wrong with slavery, but if you think of how blacks think of slavery, and that they could have been the last slaves made by god, then it would seem to them something they would want to avoid, if they were out trying to subjugate others. Moreover, I think that other races, such as Indians and Asians are hybrids from black&white, maybe this is (truly) were the ying and yang come from. I suspect that in every race, there are those that are a product of gods, of God, of the devil, of alien race(s), of below, etc. I suspect that the "soul" isn't a master templet from the same source, I suspect those sources vary, and maybe a reason why poeple within the same race fight so much. I know that in Haiti, the voodoo folks had given the land over the Satan, and they usually go to Africa to worship the new falling stars, and you see the condition Haiti is in, most of the witchcraft from Haiti is mostly from the theme of "MASTER-SLAVE" from Zombies (made via herb and blow fish substance that puts the person in a trancelike state), to other horrible (for b-movies) fear based systems that captivate the minds and cause people to live in fear and oppression, and usually, as a result, they are slaves or conduits of this fear based system. It's usually master-slave issues when it comes to the black occult in haiti which comes from Africa, so there lies the issue with the fallen stars or demons, they aren't necessarily out to "free" mankind. And they are not inherently going to look white, although, I suspect, most Angles do look like whites, as I suspect they were the first to be here, but again, not all whites come from that lineage...confusing. It may make me crazy to some, because some aren't out to learn or may fear it....it scares people and I understand this, from what I've researched so far, I suspect that "we" came from somewhere, not just a random event, and 'we" don't come from the same places, even if "we" look alike...that's my assumption thus far. And "we" have a mission in life, some of "us" know our mission and some of us do things blindly and go about it without knowing if they are really "for" the things they are doing...if you can't question what you are doing, "you" are the slave. The slave is always the one who takes the command. I am not talking about a job that pays you to do work... I am talking about the beliefs we have and the things we do and sacrfice for them....

I should add that the fallen stars (the voodoo folks take from Africa) that are worshiped are "seen" as snakes (dragons, serpents)...So, there is some relationship with the snake and a fallen star. Oh, and fallen stars have 'KNOWLEDGE" that's why the voodoo people worship them, it's not for the practice, it's for the information. They just don't use it the way Europeans use knowledge (in the idea of enlightenment, and using technology that is for everyone to use)...voodoo folks get the knowledge, but they hide it for themselves, a nicer way to see it is occult "trade secret" from a fallen star or alien and it's usually fear based; Haiti is like Africa, small amount of rich, most amount of poor..same as old Europe before they slayed the dragon/snake/serpent, and after they slayed them, they were enlightened and out of the dark ages.

sorry for tripple posting...

I think some of the races come from a god source that wanted to use them as slaves:

1. whites
2. whites mixed with Angles
3. blacks
4. blacks mixed with whites = (indian and asian)

I think by the time they created blacks, they were less interested in creating a pretty looking race, but one that is physically strong, dominate in genes and easy to be slave like. As this is why the voodoo or witchcraft in Haiti and Africa is usually about master-slave, and again, the gods of these folks are usually snakes that come from our own sun or another star (fallen star).

I'm just guessing based on a lot of info that i'm putting together, i could be so wrong it's not funny, but it's a theory (based on myth and occult practices that are ignored by modern science).

Again, I think it is black people who put other blacks (and white or Asian conduits) in their place, b/c master-slave is something in their mind-matrix, and they are most apt to put another black person down or in a position of servatude either by putting them down, taking away from their knowledge, bad energy or negative energy, etc. I am not stating all blacks are bad, not by far. But, I suspect the mind-matrix of blacks is to find other blacks to subjegate, maybe this is why many blacks try to get away from other blacks.

Here are some of my thoughts on the verses referencing what are termed Nephilim:

Genesis 6:1-4
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Sons of God is often understood to refer to those that were righteous, or covenant men of God. Daughters of men are often understood to be descendants of Cain, or the unrighteous.

3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Looking at the language, I think verse three is a new section of the chapter with the prior verses describing the time frame where verse three occurs. In other words, "When the righteous began intermarrying with the unrighteous, the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years."

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

As to giants, I do not believe these verses make the statement that the giants were the offspring of the two, but it could be. Giant could be a moderate difference in height between a short man and a tall man, not some drastic height difference as is imagined given the term.

If we have conflicting views on this subject I believe it would be in our opinion of what "sons of God" references.

Originally posted by Oncewhite
sorry for tripple posting...

I think some of the races come from a god source that wanted to use them as slaves:

1. whites
2. whites mixed with Angles
3. blacks
4. blacks mixed with whites = (indian and asian)

I think by the time they created blacks, they were less interested in creating a pretty looking race, but one that is physically strong, dominate in genes and easy to be slave like. As this is why the voodoo or witchcraft in Haiti and Africa is usually about master-slave, and again, the gods of these folks are usually snakes that come from our own sun or another star (fallen star).

I'm just guessing based on a lot of info that i'm putting together, i could be so wrong it's not funny, but it's a theory (based on myth and occult practices that are ignored by modern science).

Again, I think it is black people who put other blacks (and white or Asian conduits) in their place, b/c master-slave is something in their mind-matrix, and they are most apt to put another black person down or in a position of servatude either by putting them down, taking away from their knowledge, bad energy or negative energy, etc. I am not stating all blacks are bad, not by far. But, I suspect the mind-matrix of blacks is to find other blacks to subjegate, maybe this is why many blacks try to get away from other blacks.

disgust

Originally posted by Oncewhite
sorry

If my myth is true, the whites that are from the 'rebellion" aren' t going to want to mix with blacks (as the gods would have wanted as this would have wiped out the true rebells in one generation), so, they stick with the ones who look like them (who may in deed be from other matrix-source, but aren't fallen angel rebells), b/c once they mix with blacks, their children will be black by far, and will have a more slave-like disposition in their mind-matrix, then the child who is white.

So, the rebels placed a system that puts them in a god-like status, and the other whites who come from a different soul-matrix may not understand the injustice toward other "humans" and may feel guilty for the benefits, not realizing that they are being saved from "servatude" a life of being a conduit...or a life of someone trying to put you in your place.

American slavery, was to teach black hebrews that servatude is bad (as they were out to make others into slaves as well as their own kind, remember the old testament told them never enslave a hebrew brother, that is because they probably were doing so), and for revenge for creating a white race from black dna, making those folks slaves, as this would be a terrible reminder of what they (the small number of whites that were from the first slave race that rebelled) were fleeing from.

Not all whites are from the god-slave, not all blacks are from the god-slave, I suspect we are all made up from various matrix-energy froms, agains, some from God, others from god-snakes (fallen stars, maybe "aliens" if you think aliens are really god like, etc.).

Originally posted by Oncewhite
If my myth is true, the whites that are from the 'rebellion" aren' t going to want to mix with blacks (as the gods would have wanted as this would have wiped out the true rebells in one generation), so, they stick with the ones who look like them (who may in deed be from other matrix-source, but aren't fallen angel rebells), b/c once they mix with blacks, their children will be black by far, and will have a more slave-like disposition in their mind-matrix, then the child who is white.

So, the rebels placed a system that puts them in a god-like status, and the other whites who come from a different soul-matrix may not understand the injustice toward other "humans" and may feel guilty for the benefits, not realizing that they are being saved from "servatude" a life of being a conduit...or a life of someone trying to put you in your place.

American slavery, was to teach black hebrews that servatude is bad (as they were out to make others into slaves as well as their own kind, remember the old testament told them never enslave a hebrew brother, that is because they probably were doing so), and for revenge for creating a white race from black dna, making those folks slaves, as this would be a terrible reminder of what they (the small number of whites that were from the first slave race that rebelled) were fleeing from.

Not all whites are from the god-slave, not all blacks are from the god-slave, I suspect we are all made up from various matrix-energy froms, agains, some from God, others from god-snakes (fallen stars, maybe "aliens" if you think aliens are really god like, etc.).

^ Don't cut yourself with Occom's razor.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
^ Don't cut yourself with Occom's razor.

Originally posted by Regret
May have been all that needed to be said, I cannot figure out exactly how many ways your posts could be taken as extremely offensive. Comments of the type you posted seem out of line. If such was not your intent, you still came across very racist, imo.

How is it racist? To say that some of both races are from a god-snake that brought them here to be slaves?

I have seen pictures of cheribums (the really old pics), they look like negroes, that's not an offense, that could be a compliment, however, if you see the purpose of the cheribums, they were to keep out human "beings" from the Garden of Eden, they weren't pretty looking, they aren't their to attract your attection and they are equiped with weapons to keep people out...

If you think of 'god' as someone who has the power over dna, if an alien can change a dna into a different form and mind-matrix for slaves, then those folks will worship and be loyal to that alien or fallen angel or dragon or whatever origin of "life" from whence they came from.

The turn of "going back to met your maker" may be different sources for different people.

Stating that angles look like whites, is that racist? Not all angles, as cheribums are angles too.

Sorry if I am offensive, I am actually looking for others to broaden my knowledge base.

Originally posted by Oncewhite
How is it racist? To say that some of both races are from a god-snake that brought them here to be slaves?

I have seen pictures of cheribums (the really old pics), they look like negroes, that's not an offense, that could be a compliment, however, if you see the purpose of the cheribums, they were to keep out human "beings" from the Garden of Eden, they weren't pretty looking, they aren't their to attract your attection and they are equiped with weapons to keep people out...

If you think of 'god' as someone who has the power over dna, if an alien can change a dna into a different form and mind-matrix for slaves, then those folks will worship and be loyal to that alien or fallen angel or dragon or whatever origin of "life" from whence they came from.

The turn of "going back to met your maker" may be different sources for different people.

Stating that angles look like whites, is that racist? Not all angles, as cheribums are angles too.

Sorry if I am offensive, I am actually looking for others to broaden my knowledge base.

Originally posted by Regret
Reading your posts I got the idea you were saying minorities were more prone to slavery than whites, and that is how many would take them.

well, the sun/star dragon/snake causes people to think of master-slave, maybe they do rebell from the snake, but since they have the matrix of a master-slave then they take the position of "snake" god master, and make others their slaves.

I thought I had made it clear that every race has different sources of origin, but maybe it was in another thread.

And during american slavery, the blacks that were not from the matrix-slave origin were able to set themselves free or wanted to, the ones from the master-slave matrix either wanted to make other blacks into slaves (yes, blacks and indians owned slaves in the USA, not just the Southern whites); so this way, it was easy to cipher the ones who were from the snake god, and the ones who were not. The ones who are not from the snake-god aren't going to be rebellious crazies, but they are going to be less likely to want to subjugate others or to be subjugated, in any race, if you find folks with this kind of mind, they are not from the snake god matrix. The ones from the snake-god matrix (dna) have the code and desire to create slaves or to be masters, and when they go into the occult (the one that focuses on snake gods) they are going to be interested in punishing people by making them slaves, either via loan sharking, mind control, voodoo occult "magic", etc. The ones with this mentality aren't easy to be "enlightened" they are less likely because their mind-matrix doesn't have the code for "why"...if you were to decode their mind-matrix into a simple program language, the global command would never instruct them to get out of the loop. So, for them, they would never even understand what I am trying to get at.

Also, if you research Annunaki or Sumerian origins of live, they have pics of Cheribums that are negroes, they are keeping humans from the Garden of Eden. And ironically, a lot of the guards that I think of in Egypt and Briton (before it was Britan) were black (not all of them), and again, I've done research that shows that there were blacks in Europe way before slavery, during the time of Egyptian rule (but they never call it a dynasty)...

I mean, I'm open to learn, so if you have info, do tell.

In other words, some have the matrix of a master-slave, so they are going to be either slave like in mind, or master (command) like in mind, and their ego will show that they are one or the other, you may have heard some blacks say "I'm the head ****** in charge" that is the master-slave matrix dna. you can only deprogram this person in their dna or soul-manipulation; it's the same in any race that has the snake-god master-slave dna program instruction code in their mind.

If they don't have the code for "why" they will just "do it" if they are instructed via "voices in their heads" or propaganda, subliminal messages..and these same types are the ones who (if they can rebel) would have the remnant matrix of "master", so once they get free, they want to subjugate others, esp. ones that look like them, but they don't realize that everyone isn't from the same matrix source. And whites who are from this matrix source get frustrated when dealing with a black person who isn't a "good ******", because that black person doesn't have the matrix for a slave, that's not their origin, so they do rebel in a sense that they ask questions and go beyond. the sad thing is the ones who are from it, still try to subjugate other blacks and try to influence them to be more "****** like" or "black like". If that black person isn't in their place, they are just as upset as the white person who has the master-slave matrix.

the gods were aliens. there u go

A simpler answer would be that the gods and just made up.