The Nephilim..and Pre-Flood Times

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Not the kind of program you are talking about.

Why do you say that? You don't appreciate my paralleling DNA code used to structure our brain and therefore our thoughts, have nothing to do with a "program", like the ones used in our computers, why praytell? Does that make us seem so basic and therefore, not special? The "program" is only complex because we don't understand the simple stuff, but we know more today then we ever did. Complexity is the sum of the simple (minus a few), so when things are complex, it's only because we are missing elements in the simple (maybe a few or in other cases, we are missing a lot of simple steps..which yields complexities). So, yes, for today, our dna "code" is complex, but only because there are more simple stuff we haven't figured out. Doesn't sound so sexy or romantic does it?

Originally posted by Oncewhite
Don't think of the movie when I say Matrix, think of a math sequence, with so many variables/dynamics, these are programs in our DNA!!!

Originally posted by Oncewhite
Fallen angles. Angles are falling all the time, it's not a one time deal, there is a war in heaven NOW, and has been since the beginning.

You want to know where are they living until God gets to them? Hell, Earth, in principalities (in the air and other domains)...that's why some areas have more crime, because it's domain is covered by certain entities that mess with the psychic/mind, and hearts of men/women.

I should state that the falling angles are still happening now because we are living in the past, even the present is the past, and some would dare say the future is still the past... thats why some have claimed to time travel (via aliens or spirits etc) because the future (although dynamic) still is in the past. So, to us, or from our frame of reference, the angles are still falling. That's why the Africans who worship new falling angles are worshiping demons and most know this, but they don't claim that demons are bad (mainly because of the so called benefits of knowledge from them, but see the areas dominated by demons and you'll see the big picture of the product). The fallen stars or angles come to them as serpents, snakes, or dragons.

regarding the future, let's say for a particular node in time, the branches have 3 paths, no matter which one someone takes, it's still in the past, because the outcome of each path was already there.

It is our belief that the hypotheses and theories promoted by the establishment scholars were always known to be inadequate and scientifically suspect, for it is far beyond the dictates of reason that Darwin, Wallace, Aggasiz and Lyell, etc., could get their facts so wrong by mere accident. The reasons why things went so wrong is understood
when it is realized how much was at stake for the establishment if scholars and the masses should ever connect the destruction on Earth with the coming of extraterrestrial entities. The descendants of these visitors are now in total charge of the Earth and obviously deem it essential that the history of the Earth, of its geospheric and topographical evolution, be made to appear the result of gradual changes and the effects of
ice that descended upon the northern continents. It was of paramount importance that humans did not look back to the pre-diluvian epochs.
For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither anything hid, that shall not be known and come abroad. (Luke 8:17)

To get the word out, their opponents have had to resort to fiction and fantasy, to music and film, in which they tell the tale, knowing that it is unlikely that the average reader or viewer will go beyond their entertainment value, or indulge in deeper, heuristic analyses.

tsarion

Originally posted by Oncewhite
regarding the future, let's say for a particular node in time, the branches have 3 paths, no matter which one someone takes, it's still in the past, because the outcome of each path was already there.

I know this is a bit off topic -- but that's the only statement I agree with you on.

Anyway - back on topic. I'd like to hear other opinions on the "son's of man" scripture. I'm personally of the belief that the book of Enoch - as well as the books of Adam and Eve, have some historical merit to them.

Does anyone else have additional information on the Nephilim - Pre Flood times, or any of the questions that were posted in the thread topic?

Originally posted by Oncewhite
Why do you say that? You don't appreciate my paralleling DNA code used to structure our brain and therefore our thoughts, have nothing to do with a "program", like the ones used in our computers, why praytell? Does that make us seem so basic and therefore, not special? The "program" is only complex because we don't understand the simple stuff, but we know more today then we ever did. Complexity is the sum of the simple (minus a few), so when things are complex, it's only because we are missing elements in the simple (maybe a few or in other cases, we are missing a lot of simple steps..which yields complexities). So, yes, for today, our dna "code" is complex, but only because there are more simple stuff we haven't figured out. Doesn't sound so sexy or romantic does it?

Sorry, but you don't make any sense to me.

I'm so glad Usagi is banned 🙂

Those who are familiar with the Letter to Jude(as referenced in scriptures) - should have read the "Sons of God" passage - regarding angels engaging in intercourse with the "daughters of men" - and producing a race of giants -- or more appropriately titled in the Hebrew Language *Nephilim*

I haven't completely read the book of Enoch - however, from what I have read within it - apparently Enoch was sent as a prophet, to preach to these Nephilim(or as the book of Enoch calls them *Watchers*) during these pre-flood times, to inform them of their coming demise.

I had a couple of questions, for anyone who could answer them - regarding the Nephilim and the book of Enoch.

After these questions have been answered - feel free to discuss anything regarding pre-Flood times. I'm not trying to reinterpret scripture in any sense, just wanted to get some clarity on these issues.

Please take note - that this thread is not meant to allow for those who dislike Christian doctrine - to throw baseless insults at those who believe in what is being discussed, or for others to disprove its validity(ex: This is all just mythology - waste of time!!)

First Question: How was it possible for the angels to procreate with humans? I always thought the angels themselves, were not capable of doing so..(although I must admit - the bible never does state that they aren't incapable of doing it).

The bible states that angels are similar in essence with God their maker, Jesus further clarifies this when he came to his disciples after he ressurected and said 'a ghost/spirit do not have flesh or bones and cannot eat food as I do'. However that doesn't mean that they cannot have flesh or bones, remember even Jesus who is the Son of God was incarnated and I believe he still is incarnated up to this point and probably forever because he is the first born of the ressurection and one cannot ressurect unless one dies. Furthermore one cannot die unless one has mortal flesh, in the case of Christ he ressurected with an immortal flesh which complements his Eternal spirit as one of the Godhead. Angels have the power to manipulate matter and energy, according to Einstein's theory this is possible, an example of this is the nuclear bomb and it is no more easy for them to incarnate themselves into a mortal or immortal flesh. Because as I have read the book of Enoch, God commanded the Arch Angel Micheal to trap these rebelious angels(all 200 of them) underneath a rocky prison, which strongly suggests that they're not going to die in there and therfore they are immortal.

Second Question: Based on what I've read - and based on the fact that the Nephilim were considered abominations, is it correct in stating that they would die like animals - going back to the dust, and not being eligible for salvation?

According to the book of Enoch their(the Angels) fathers asked God to make their sons(the Nephilims) immortal, but God gave them only half a century to live, Methuselah outlived them all. Furthermore God sent the Angel Gabriel to confuse them, as in those times with the knowledge that their fathers possessed and handed down to them I believe that they were the first ones to built mega cities and started civilizations, most people who i consulted with believe that they built precise structures like the pyramids all over the world. No man could built any perfect structure except for the perfect ones themselves. Angel Gabriel caused them to go to war against one another thus they fell by the sword. Indeed their physical bodies fall back to the dust, but their spirit as God ordained is to be trapped here on earth because they came from earth, so they niether could go to hell or heaven, they most probably are the ones who possess humans in eaorcism.

Third Question: I have heard it stated that their were a few Nephilim who survived the flood - and this is why God had the Israelites completely destroy certain races of people post-flood, due to the Nephilim's blood still contaminating the gene pool. I had also heard that the Philistine Goliath(whom David killed) was a descendant of one of the surviving Nephilim..is all of this correct?

This is also what some theologians believe, because when Moses sent 12 jewish spies into Canaan they came back reporting horrible news among their bretheren. The Canaanites were giants as one spy said 'we seemed like grasshoppers compaired to them' that's why they refused to attack and disobeyed God. Enoch said that the tallest and largest Nephilim was 3,000 cubits, now 1 cubit is 18 inches long, do the math and you'll see that the biggest giant was probably some 4,500 feet tall fairly reaching the clouds above and they included humans(plural) in their meals.

Fourth Question: Is it possible that these fallen angels - also created some of these other abysmal creatures..the ones we referred to in ancient Greek/Roman fairytales?(Griffin - Minataur(sp) etc...)

Probably. I also believe that not all humans descended from Adam, as the peoples of the world are classified into 3 main characteristics, (1) The Caucasian (2) The Mongolian (3) The Negro. Caucasians probably were the offspring of the angels for some reasons, they are usually tall and white looking and they've advanced in knowledge further than any other civilizations in the east have. The Mongolians are not just those from mongolia or decendants of gheng ghis khan, this also include the chinese and the yellow people or the indians. I believe they are hybrids of the Caucasian and the Negro tribe. The Negro tribe are the ones from africa, the Pacific people, the aborigins of austrailia, and the south and central american indians, I think they are what's left of the surviving evloved man from the ice age. This is important because the Apostle Paul wrote that 'we are the children of the wrath of God' so if you're not from the line of Abraham you most certainly are a wrath-of-God child, must be the reasons why God created a perfect man(Adam) to bring forth the Messiah and kept a pure race(the Israelites) because the rest of the people of this world are a byproduct of series of abominations that despite heavenly efforts to undo them, they seemed to have flourished even more.

Fifth Question: In addition - I had also learned that the story of Tartarus(Greek Underworld) and how the various God's who disobeyed Zeus got sent there, is very similar to the Christian story of God sending the fallen angels who engaged in intercourse with human females(in that God sent them all to be imprisoned in Hell - until the very end of times to be judged) - can anyone extrapolate on this one?

Greek mythology may have originated from before the flood times, remember that these events spread everywhere in the world and stories often passed on orally from 1 generation to another, I believe even Noah and his family taked about this things assuming that they were the only survivors of the flood, but I doubt that they were the only ones who had survied, those Angels practically knew many things like sword making, cosmetics for women, building cities and mega structures, it's not so difficult for them to built boats for their decendants to survive during the 40 days of rain and flood.

Originally posted by HULKSTER04
Probably. I also believe that not all humans descended from Adam, as the peoples of the world are classified into 3 main characteristics, (1) The Caucasian (2) The Mongolian (3) The Negro. Caucasians probably were the offspring of the angels for some reasons, they are usually tall and white looking and they've advanced in knowledge further than any other civilizations in the east have. The Mongolians are not just those from mongolia or decendants of gheng ghis khan, this also include the chinese and the yellow people or the indians. I believe they are hybrids of the Caucasian and the Negro tribe. The Negro tribe are the ones from africa, the Pacific people, the aborigins of austrailia, and the south and central american indians, I think they are what's left of the surviving evloved man from the ice age. This is important because the Apostle Paul wrote that 'we are the children of the wrath of God' so if you're not from the line of Abraham you most certainly are a wrath-of-God child, must be the reasons why God created a perfect man(Adam) to bring forth the Messiah and kept a pure race(the Israelites) because the rest of the people of this world are a byproduct of series of abominations that despite heavenly efforts to undo them, they seemed to have flourished even more.

Originally posted by HULKSTER04
[B]First Question: How was it possible for the angels to procreate with humans? I always thought the angels themselves, were not capable of doing so..(although I must admit - the bible never does state that they aren't incapable of doing it).

The bible states that angels are similar in essence with God their maker, Jesus further clarifies this when he came to his disciples after he ressurected and said 'a ghost/spirit do not have flesh or bones and cannot eat food as I do'. However that doesn't mean that they cannot have flesh or bones, remember even Jesus who is the Son of God was incarnated and I believe he still is incarnated up to this point and probably forever because he is the first born of the ressurection and one cannot ressurect unless one dies. Furthermore one cannot die unless one has mortal flesh, in the case of Christ he ressurected with an immortal flesh which complements his Eternal spirit as one of the Godhead. Angels have the power to manipulate matter and energy, according to Einstein's theory this is possible, an example of this is the nuclear bomb and it is no more easy for them to incarnate themselves into a mortal or immortal flesh. Because as I have read the book of Enoch, God commanded the Arch Angel Micheal to trap these rebelious angels(all 200 of them) underneath a rocky prison, which strongly suggests that they're not going to die in there and therfore they are immortal.

Second Question: Based on what I've read - and based on the fact that the Nephilim were considered abominations, is it correct in stating that they would die like animals - going back to the dust, and not being eligible for salvation?

According to the book of Enoch their(the Angels) fathers asked God to make their sons(the Nephilims) immortal, but God gave them only half a century to live, Methuselah outlived them all. Furthermore God sent the Angel Gabriel to confuse them, as in those times with the knowledge that their fathers possessed and handed down to them I believe that they were the first ones to built mega cities and started civilizations, most people who i consulted with believe that they built precise structures like the pyramids all over the world. No man could built any perfect structure except for the perfect ones themselves. Angel Gabriel caused them to go to war against one another thus they fell by the sword. Indeed their physical bodies fall back to the dust, but their spirit as God ordained is to be trapped here on earth because they came from earth, so they niether could go to hell or heaven, they most probably are the ones who possess humans in eaorcism.

Third Question: I have heard it stated that their were a few Nephilim who survived the flood - and this is why God had the Israelites completely destroy certain races of people post-flood, due to the Nephilim's blood still contaminating the gene pool. I had also heard that the Philistine Goliath(whom David killed) was a descendant of one of the surviving Nephilim..is all of this correct?

This is also what some theologians believe, because when Moses sent 12 jewish spies into Canaan they came back reporting horrible news among their bretheren. The Canaanites were giants as one spy said 'we seemed like grasshoppers compaired to them' that's why they refused to attack and disobeyed God. Enoch said that the tallest and largest Nephilim was 3,000 cubits, now 1 cubit is 18 inches long, do the math and you'll see that the biggest giant was probably some 4,500 feet tall fairly reaching the clouds above and they included humans(plural) in their meals.

Fourth Question: Is it possible that these fallen angels - also created some of these other abysmal creatures..the ones we referred to in ancient Greek/Roman fairytales?(Griffin - Minataur(sp) etc...)

Probably. I also believe that not all humans descended from Adam, as the peoples of the world are classified into 3 main characteristics, (1) The Caucasian (2) The Mongolian (3) The Negro. Caucasians probably were the offspring of the angels for some reasons, they are usually tall and white looking and they've advanced in knowledge further than any other civilizations in the east have. The Mongolians are not just those from mongolia or decendants of gheng ghis khan, this also include the chinese and the yellow people or the indians. I believe they are hybrids of the Caucasian and the Negro tribe. The Negro tribe are the ones from africa, the Pacific people, the aborigins of austrailia, and the south and central american indians, I think they are what's left of the surviving evloved man from the ice age. This is important because the Apostle Paul wrote that 'we are the children of the wrath of God' so if you're not from the line of Abraham you most certainly are a wrath-of-God child, must be the reasons why God created a perfect man(Adam) to bring forth the Messiah and kept a pure race(the Israelites) because the rest of the people of this world are a byproduct of series of abominations that despite heavenly efforts to undo them, they seemed to have flourished even more.

Fifth Question: In addition - I had also learned that the story of Tartarus(Greek Underworld) and how the various God's who disobeyed Zeus got sent there, is very similar to the Christian story of God sending the fallen angels who engaged in intercourse with human females(in that God sent them all to be imprisoned in Hell - until the very end of times to be judged) - can anyone extrapolate on this one?

Greek mythology may have originated from before the flood times, remember that these events spread everywhere in the world and stories often passed on orally from 1 generation to another, I believe even Noah and his family taked about this things assuming that they were the only survivors of the flood, but I doubt that they were the only ones who had survied, those Angels practically knew many things like sword making, cosmetics for women, building cities and mega structures, it's not so difficult for them to built boats for their decendants to survive during the 40 days of rain and flood. [/B]

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Pretty good explination Hulkster. your post flood explination is regarding the giants is definitely a good one. id heard of that interpretation of the land of the canaanites bfore, so that sounds fairly reasonable. The negro/asian/caucasian thing is a bit far fetched though. particularly since european cultures were probably the LEAST civilized groups of people until roughly around the fall of the roman empire. Personally ofcourse, i think that the romans were probably mixed negroids/asian/arabics at best..since they all had mostly olive colored complexians.

also whites are nowhere near the tallest people on this planet..just look at all the tall blacks in the NBA, and the blacks from various parts of AFRICA..

Personally, i think that we all are descendants of Adam..and most of the peeps that had angelic blood were wiped out during the flood.

i dont think that adam and eve were really of any race..they was prolly just an amalgamation of races we see today, except much much more beautiful..being perfect and all. I mean if you were god, would you really want just a group of just a group of darkies or whiteys staring at you each day? I'd wouldnt..id prefer a little creme in my coffee every now and then..or a little chochalate on my ice cream.

anyway it was a descent explination, much props for your input.

The Romans are slightly darker skinned along with southern Italians and Greeks because they a Mediterrean stock of the Caucasian race, but they are Caucasian. Every race its tall people. Even the Mongoloids have a pockets of very tall people (Manchuria is one place).

In regards to the Nephilim, there seems to have been two incursions of fallen angels mating with humans. One pre-flood and then one post flood. These seem to an aspect of spiritual warfare between God and Satan where Satan attempts to pollute the bloodline and prevent the coming of the Messiah. The second incursion seems to have occurred in Abraham's time when it was made clear that the Messiah would come of Abraham's line and that the promised land would be Canaan. This caused the second incursion so that the Nephilim would inhabit the promised land ahead of the Hebrew people and thereby prevent their entry into the promised land. This is made interesting because the mysterious 'Sea People' came at this time from no one knows where and conquered everything in their path. They were halted by Egypt, but they then seem to have settled in Canaan.

Originally Posted by Nellinator
I'm going to have to disagree with this paragraph. Caucasians are probably not the descendants of angels because we are no the tallest race and Jews (definitely not Nephilim) are of Caucasian stock. The blood of the Nephilim from the second incursion would be thoroughly spread out across races nowadays, however, it would seem that is has little effect. Once it was declared by God that the Messiah would come from the line of David it seems that the Satan no longer had interest in corrupting human blood, instead relying on attacks on the royal family. He was almost successful at this, with the entire royal family save Joash being wiped out at one point.

I was just guessing about the caucasian theory, for 1, most of the visions of the prophets in the bible regarding angels have similar descriptions with caucasians. That is they have bright complexion(i.e. their face was like the sun, their torso was like burning metal, etc.) so I took notice of the fairly bright complexion of most caucasian and about 3000 years ago also during the post flood period there were huge people though not nescessarilly caucasian. The Norse mythology god of thunder Thor was closely described as a caucasian with golden hair.
I did not mention in any of my posts that the Jews had nephilim bloodline, but the opposite of this. I said that they were a pure race of Abrahamic descent through which the promised messiah will be born and it did. The Jews are a pure race of unpolluted genes of human(by God's ordinance) where as the rest of the world have questionable origin that is why we probably are 'the children of the wrath of God'.

Do you use a companion Bible?

what is that supposed to mean?

Nothing. Its just a question because a lot of what you are talking about in regards to the Nephilim is very similar to what the Companion Bible teaches.

Companion Bible?

It's hard to explain, but it a rather large Bible broken down verse by verse where the Greek and Hebrew (depending on the book in discussion) is discussed and where the original words are distinguished so that the meaning of the verse is more easily seen. Then the back is full of appendicies that contain large chunks of theology backed with references to scripture and the original languages.

An example is that there are many different words for many different types of sin, so the Companion Bible points out what type of sin is being referenced. Its the sort of stuff that defeats debbiejo's arguments about hell.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Do you use a companion Bible?

Sorry bro, my old Bible is in the garbage

Originally posted by Nellinator
It's hard to explain, but it a rather large Bible broken down verse by verse where the Greek and Hebrew (depending on the book in discussion) is discussed and where the original words are distinguished so that the meaning of the verse is more easily seen. Then the back is full of appendicies that contain large chunks of theology backed with references to scripture and the original languages.

An example is that there are many different words for many different types of sin, so the Companion Bible points out what type of sin is being referenced. Its the sort of stuff that defeats debbiejo's arguments about hell.

You left the apostrophe out of the word "Its"..your argument is ruined..😉

Dang. *punches himself in the face*