Lucifer with Michael's power vs. Thanos with THOU

Originally posted by masterbruce
I think this debate can be settled by asking who has more limits to their power.

Lucifer/Michael exist outside of existance, so we know Thanos can't simply absorb them ftw...

We know Michael=God's power (enough to brush Spectre off his shoulder like a speck of dust), and Lucifer=God's will, more importantly the will to defy God himself... (a task not even Thanos was able to accomplish.)

It would seem like Lucifer/Michael would have no limits.... But who knows?

I don't think they could overcome THOTU. Lucifer nor Michael never seemed that impressive to me. Then there still is the Presence/GEB. Yet it was also stated even he was shaped by external powers.

THOTU, on the other hand, granted absolute omnipotence in a single multiverse which it was limited to.

I would like to see what's Mr Master's opinion about this (vast knowledge of the Cosmics).

Originally posted by breeze85
I would like to see what's Mr Master's opinion about this (vast knowledge of the Cosmics).

Thanos /w/ THOTU has more feats then Michael/Lucifer...

Its a valid argument, but does this mean that he could necessarily kill Mike/Luci? ❌

Its my oppinion that this is a stalemate.... One power of God In Marvel should not be greater then another power of god in DC.

TOAA = External Foreces >> Presence

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
TOAA = External Foreces >> Presence

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
TOAA = External Foreces >> Presence

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Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
TOAA = External Foreces >> Presence

You do realize the Presence of DC is not shaped by External Forces. Seeing as how the Spectre Serves the DCU God and the Vertigo god, It is reasonable to assume that so do michael and lucifer. Or rather different version of them do. In either case, you assumption is null and void. The Eternal Forces that the Vertigo God may have been talking about could have been the Presence of the DCU.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The Eternal Forces that the Vertigo God may have been talking about could have been the Presence of the DCU.

Originally posted by Galan007
Or the actual writers of DC perhaps?

This to. In either case, Michael is an equal representation of THOTU. his power is equal to the heart's own. NO one can change that or manipulate it to thier own desired ends of making Thanos and THOTU the ultimate in all of comics. It's simply not the case.

Denial? Presence itself admitted it ...
Look for yourself, the "External Forces" are the creators of the Presence. Face it, he have been retconned 😄

Originally posted by Galan007
I know what his oppinion, and what many others oppinions' will be:

Thanos /w/ THOTU has more feats then Michael/Lucifer...

Its a valid argument, but does this mean that he could necessarily kill Mike/Luci? ❌

Its my oppinion that this is a stalemate.... One power of God In Marvel should not be greater then another power of god in DC.

Well, he could do absolutely anything without restrictions. He was granted with absolute omnipotence so it would indeed seem that he could kill off Michael's power wielding Lucifer.

Even Presence doesn't seem to be omnipotent. Especially after seeing the 'shaped by external powers' part. Michael and Lucifer then certainly aren't. Together or not. Lucifer created a universe with Michael's power? Wow, big deal.

Featwise: DEFINITELY Thanos with THOTU.
Speculation: Still Thanos.

dude why do you post huge scans like that?

They are annoying and take up too much space...

External forces could be refering to the writers, because anything in comics was shaped by external forces (i.e. the writers)

In that same scan he says that he is infinite and eternal. Does say anything being more powerful than him. Only that he was shaped by those forces. Who know's where God comes from? How did he come to be? In the end, God is still eternal and infinite and all powerful. You lose buddy.

Originally posted by breeze85
Well, he could do absolutely anything without restrictions. He was granted with absolute omnipotence so it would indeed seem that he could kill off Michael's power wielding Lucifer.

Why?

Because he couldnt absorb any outside dimensions, so he was limited, and hence was not omnipotent.

Originally posted by breeze85
Well, he could do absolutely anything without restrictions. He was granted with absolute omnipotence so it would indeed seem that he could kill off Michael's power wielding Lucifer.

Even Presence doesn't seem to be omnipotent. Especially after seeing the 'shaped by external powers' part. Michael and Lucifer then certainly aren't. Together or not. Lucifer created a universe with Michael's power? Wow, big deal.

Featwise: DEFINITELY Thanos with THOTU.
Speculation: Still Thanos.

Actually creating a universe is a big deal. Deal with it. But it what you with small minds miss that make the feat a big deal. Creating a universe was nothing to Michael. He wasn't even trying. He's all of God's power. And he is a shit load smarter than Thanos. Now putting Lucifer in charge of Michael's power and you got a fight on your hands. One thanos would lose IMO.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
In that same scan he says that he is infinite and eternal. Does say anything being more powerful than him. Only that he was shaped by those forces. Who know's where God comes from? How did he come to be? In the end, God is still eternal and infinite and all powerful. You lose buddy.

But you my child cannot prove that it is the writers ...
All we know is that the EF are superior to the Presence, thuss removing the Presence from the top of the foodchain.

Now I want you to Prove that in this issue they refered to the wrtiers (Lucifer 70 or 75) -- If you can't your out of this debate, we don't need your speculation fanboy.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
I lose? -- Presence admitted that there were greater power than his, can't you read boy? -- I was created by forces "external to me".

But you my child cannot prove that it is the writers ...
All we know is that the EF are superior to the Presence, thuss removing the Presence from the top of the foodchain.

Now I want you to Prove that in this issue they refered to the wrtiers (Lucifer 70 or 75) -- If you can't your out of this debate, we don't need your speculation fanboy.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
TOAA = External Foreces >> Presence

Actully, that is true.

No its not. Its a freakin paradox!!! How can he be infinite and eternal yet formed by outside forces????????!!!!!!!!!!! Thats why he's a paradox... gosh some people don't read the whole message...Besides Presence and Yahweh aren't one and the same. true there is a Michael in DC but the fact that the universe was unravelling did not occur in DC. Vertigo as a whole is not really valid in DCU. So you are wrong if you think Presence is any less than TOAA.

Originally posted by Galan007
He obviously wasnt truly omnipotent.

Why?

Because he couldnt absorb any outside dimensions, so he was limited, and hence was not omnipotent.

What couldn't he do that he wanted in that specified multiverse?