Originally posted by breeze85Then you didnt read ANYTHING I posted, because I provided nothing but facts for both sides....
I didn't quite see you evaluating the feats at all except saying how it's a valid argument to say THOTU has more and better feats. That's very true.Now I'm off to sleep. 'Night 🙄
Like I said, there is NO need to get cocky friend.
Originally posted by Superherovandal´
No its not. Its a freakin paradox!!! How can he be infinite and eternal yet formed by outside forces????????!!!!!!!!!!! Thats why he's a paradox... gosh some people don't read the whole message...Besides Presence and Yahweh aren't one and the same. true there is a Michael in DC but the fact that the universe was unravelling did not occur in DC. Vertigo as a whole is not really valid in DCU. So you are wrong if you think Presence is any less than TOAA.
Now infinity don't mean anything, in fact even Eternity in Marvel have infinite power, because he's the embodiment of a universe which is infinite.
Now Mr. Master have been posting a scan that proves that there's levels beyond infinity, and yes you can do that in fiction.
EF >> Presence -- Stated on panel, unless you got panel proof to counter it stop debating, I said it and I'll say it again, there is no room for speculation.
Originally posted by Superherovandal
i thought that the THOTU with Thanos was not cannon anyhow. and just cause they created a universe doesnot mean they couldn't create a multiverse. ITS JUST THE WAY THEY LIKE IT. In fact, DC's universal structure is wayyy better than Marvels really confusing one. there should only be a handful of universes tops instead theres a convoluted "infinite" "omniverse". And Besides if you want that way Spectre destroyed the DC Multiverse and recreated it into a universe. And Micheal has smacked around like nothing what does that say about his power?
Read the comic and you'll see that he only destroyed a universe, if necesserly I post scans providing that.
THOTU = Universal thread, hence the name, even though Thanos dubbed it, it still was dubbed Heart of the Universe And once again, it was only stated that he destroyed a universe.
"For IF this BAND Could Defy Me...might not OTHERS be equally Foolish?"
"Could I ALLOW ANY to question my divine Authority?
"NO....So I CONTINUED to Absorb ALL that MIGHT Threaten my Reign...Until....
If Thanos only absorbed one Universe then:
1. WHO was Thanos worried about MIGHT THREATEN his Reign AFTER he absorbed Eternity/Infinity (single Universe) and the Living Tribunal?
2. WHO was Thanos referring to that might be EQUALLY foolish like Eternity/Infinity (single Universe) and the Living Tribunal AFTER he absorbed Eternity/Infinty & LT?
Originally posted by Mr Master
"For IF this BAND Could Defy Me...might not OTHERS be equally Foolish?"
"Could I ALLOW ANY to question my divine Authority?"NO....So I CONTINUED to Absorb ALL that MIGHT Threaten my Reign...Until....
IF he was truly omnipotent and all powerful, he wouldn't have been threatened by anyone.
If Thanos only absorbed one Universe then:
1. WHO was Thanos worried about MIGHT THREATEN his Reign AFTER he absorbed Eternity/Infinity (single Universe) and the Living Tribunal?
2. WHO was Thanos referring to that might be EQUALLY foolish like Eternity/Infinity (single Universe) and the Living Tribunal AFTER he absorbed Eternity/Infinty & LT?
Originally posted by King Kandy
That was very clear. Hit the nail right home.
How about this nail:
"and where ONE ETERNITY would ensure a BOUNDLESS Universe, a MULTI-ETERNITY would ensure a BOUNDLESS MULTI-VERSE"
Same page:
"With in ALL Eternity, the UNIVERSE is a place of both Chaos and Order"
It was called "Multi-Eternity, a boundless Multi-verse".
Now it's "ALL Eternity, the Universe"
I've told yall before,
the term Universe is sometimes a dub for Multi-verse.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Yeah.But it was used CONSISTANTLY.
Universe or reality was ALWAYS used, and Multiverse was NEVER used.
No one seems to be able to answer this, it's been responded to incorrectly or simply evaded:
Give it a shot:
"For IF this BAND Could Defy Me...might not OTHERS be equally Foolish?"
"Could I ALLOW ANY to question my divine Authority?
"NO....So I CONTINUED to Absorb ALL that MIGHT Threaten my Reign...Until....
If Thanos only absorbed one Universe then:
1. WHO was Thanos worried about MIGHT THREATEN his Reign AFTER he absorbed Eternity/Infinity (single Universe) and the Living Tribunal?
2. WHO was Thanos referring to that might be EQUALLY foolish like Eternity/Infinity (single Universe) and the Living Tribunal AFTER he absorbed Eternity/Infinty & LT?
If not the rest of the Multi-verse, then who?
1. WHO was Thanos worried about MIGHT THREATEN his Reign AFTER he absorbed Eternity/Infinity (single Universe) and the Living Tribunal?
Anyone. He was pretty paranoid, and any living being was perceived as a threat to his reign.
2. WHO was Thanos referring to that might be EQUALLY foolish like Eternity/Infinity (single Universe) and the Living Tribunal AFTER he absorbed Eternity/Infinty & LT?
Superhero's? Ordinary people? Pretty much anyone alive could "Possibly" be a threat. He was pretty much in a paranoid frenzy.
Originally posted by King Kandy
1. WHO was Thanos worried about MIGHT THREATEN his Reign AFTER he absorbed Eternity/Infinity (single Universe) and the Living Tribunal?Anyone. He was pretty paranoid, and any living being was perceived as a threat to his reign.
I don't know about that.
"Paranoid?"
I don't recall.
I know he wanted power so that past enemies would not have a go at him, but he wiped out ALL his enemies.
And after absorbing the Living Tribunal, how can he feel threatened by any living being in that Universe?
Not to mention he also absorbed Eternity/Infinity Zeus and every other heroic super being you can think of basically.
Other living beings would be less than nothing to him, he must of known this.
Originally posted by King Kandy
2. WHO was Thanos referring to that might be EQUALLY foolish like Eternity/Infinity (single Universe) and the Living Tribunal AFTER he absorbed Eternity/Infinty & LT?Superhero's? Ordinary people? Pretty much anyone alive could "Possibly" be a threat. He was pretty much in a paranoid frenzy.
Superheroes were all absorbed.
"Ordinary people?"
Come on.
And not anyone alive can "possibly" be a threat, when the Second most powerful Entity in Marvel gets owned like a child.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I don't know about that."Paranoid?"
I don't recall.
I know he wanted power so that past enemies would not have a go at him, but he wiped out ALL his enemies.
And after absorbing the Living Tribunal, how can he feel threatened by any living being in that Universe?
Not to mention he also absorbed Eternity/Infinity Zeus and every other heroic super being you can think of basically.
Other living beings would be less than nothing to him, he must of known this.
Superheroes were all absorbed.
"Ordinary people?"
Come on.
And not anyone alive can "possibly" be a threat, when the Second most powerful Entity in Marvel gets owned like a child.
Obviously there is someone else of greater power than the LT. If the beyonder was more powerful, retconned or not, there could be others like the pre retcon beyonder. Or a wielder of another heart. IT isn't the heart of the omniverse, it's just the heart of the universe. Who knows. Obviously the LT isn't as powerful or smart as one would seem. If death could escape thanos, but The LT couldnt. There are greater powers out there.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I don't know about that."Paranoid?"
I don't recall.
I know he wanted power so that past enemies would not have a go at him, but he wiped out ALL his enemies.
And after absorbing the Living Tribunal, how can he feel threatened by any living being in that Universe?
Not to mention he also absorbed Eternity/Infinity Zeus and every other heroic super being you can think of basically.
Other living beings would be less than nothing to him, he must of known this.
So were the abstracts. Everyone was less then nothing to him.
They couldn't hurt him. Even LT couldn't hurt him. Thanos absorbing him wasn't an act of self defense (Since LT couldn't touch him).
He clearly didn't know much of anything, he was in a blind rage.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Superheroes were all absorbed."Ordinary people?"
Come on.
And not anyone alive can "possibly" be a threat, when the Second most powerful Entity in Marvel gets owned like a child.
There's always a small possibility.
Thanos wasn't in his right mind, and he clearly perceived this probability as a major threat.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Obviously there is someone else of greater power than the LT.
I have to disagree with you there buddy..
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
If the beyonder was more powerful, retconned or not, there could be others like the pre retcon beyonder.
I have to disagree with you again.
Thats a one and only special case where characters have been more powerful than LT,
Pre-retcon Beyonder and pre-retcon Molecule Man.
This has never been seen again.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Or a wielder of another heart. IT isn't the heart of the omniverse, it's just the heart of the universe. Who knows.
Not quite,
TOAA's Power was called the "HEART of the INFINITE" by the Celestial Order
It was Thanos that nicknamed it "the Heart of the Universe"
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Obviously the LT isn't as powerful or smart as one would seem.
LT is the most powerful Entity in Marvel, only TOAA is greater.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
If death could escape thanos, but The LT couldnt. There are greater powers out there.
Then again, Death didn't confront Thanos, Death was outside the Multi-verse in her Realm (out of Thanos's reach)
LT attempted to battle Thanos, big difference.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I have to disagree with you there buddy..I have to disagree with you again.
Thats a one and only special case where characters have been more powerful than LT,
Pre-retcon Beyonder and pre-retcon Molecule Man.
This has never been seen again.
Not quite,
TOAA's Power was called the "HEART of the INFINITE" by the Celestial Order
It was Thanos that nicknamed it "the Heart of the Universe"
LT is the most powerful Entity in Marvel, only TOAA is greater.
Then again, Death didn't confront Thanos, Death was outside the Multi-verse in her Realm (out of Thanos's reach)
LT attempted to battle Thanos, big difference.
In any event, The heart of the infinite means what? I pointed out earlier where the Presence said he was infinite and eternal and someone made a comment that it didn't mean much. IF the heart were truly infinite and all powerful, nothing and no one could escape it's power. There is no outside wrealm to the true power of the one above all. Obviously he didnt' have it all. If he did, he could do like Mxy did and literally wipe the ink off the pages. I dont' think I'm that impressed with Thanos with the Heart any more. I have to give this fight to Lucifer with Micheal's power. Lucifer is smarter than Thanos, and Micheal is every bit as powerful as the Heart. Micheal beat the shit out of the Spectre as easily as Thanos beat the Lt. I'm inclined to say Micheal is smarter than Thanos and could beat Thanos with THOTU without Lucifer.
Originally posted by King Kandy
So were the abstracts. Everyone was less then nothing to him.They couldn't hurt him. Even LT couldn't hurt him. Thanos absorbing him wasn't an act of self defense (Since LT couldn't touch him).
He clearly didn't know much of anything, he was in a blind rage.
He might of been in a rage but he was clearly philosophizing while in the act, so he knew more than nothing.
And LT was absorbed along with the rest because they attacked him.
He didn't just start absorbing for no reason.
Originally posted by King Kandy
There's always a small possibility.Thanos wasn't in his right mind, and he clearly perceived this probability as a major threat.
Nah,
that's not satisfactory.
Every Hero and even some villains were absorbed, Gods were dead and absorbed, Eternity & Infinity (616 Universe) was absorbed, and the representative and second to TOAA (LT) was absorbed.
There was no possibility of anyone else in that Universe being able to threaten him.
This is why the only possible answer is the rest of the Multi-verse, because there we find an Infinite number of Eternitys and Infinitys, and Alternates of Gods and Heroes, which could certify the idea of a threat.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
In any event, The heart of the infinite means what? I pointed out earlier where the Presence said he was infinite and eternal and someone made a comment that it didn't mean much. IF the heart were truly infinite and all powerful, nothing and no one could escape it's power. There is no outside wrealm to the true power of the one above all. Obviously he didnt' have it all.
That's the way TOAA wanted his power to exercised.
Only one Multi-verse was in peril, only one Multi-verse needed to be recreated.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
If he did, he could do like Mxy did and literally wipe the ink off the pages.
Thanos left a blank black page.
Voids are depicted as White or Black.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I dont' think I'm that impressed with Thanos with the Heart any more. I have to give this fight to Lucifer with Micheal's power. Lucifer is smarter than Thanos, and Micheal is every bit as powerful as the Heart. Micheal beat the shit out of the Spectre as easily as Thanos beat the Lt.
I'd say stalemate.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I'm inclined to say Micheal is smarter than Thanos and could beat Thanos with THOTU without Lucifer.
I disagree.
Originally posted by Mr Master
He might of been in a rage but he was clearly philosophizing while in the act, so he knew more nothing.And LT was absorbed along with the rest because they attacked him.
He didn't just start absorbing for no reason.
Right. But if he was acting purely by reason and self-defence, he would have realized that LT couldn't hurt him, and have just sat there.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Nah,that's not satisfactory.
Every Hero and even some villains were absorbed, Gods were dead and ansorbed, Eternity & Infinity (616 Universe) was absorbed, and the representative and second to TOAA (LT) was absorbed.
There was no possibility of anyone else in that Universe being able to threaten him.
This is why the only possible answer is the rest of the Multi-verse, because there we find an Infinite number of Eternitys and Infinitys, and Alternates of Gods and Heroes, which could certify the idea of a threat.
The heroes posed no threat to Beyonder-Doom, but they puled off a win. There's always a small shot.
Eternity, LT, or anyone else couldn't hurt him, and yet Captain America won against him.
Small probability.
