Originally posted by nimbus006
Yes but currently she doesn't possess the power level she had when she fought Galactus. Thats what i meant when i said no Phoenix Force. The one fighting here is current Rachel with th left over energy she absorbed from the sword of the Shiar guy.
That wasn't really Rachel as much as it was a "Dark Phoenix" Rachel per say 😬
Originally posted by Grimm22
Ok 😬Fair enough
If thats the case though, Uncanny wins
So with current Rachel you think Uncanny wins?
That is what i figured when i made the thread, but some people thought otherwise. I think it is a pretty even match,you have good versatility on both sides, and a decent spread of power.
Originally posted by nimbus006Well unless Rachel has the PF I can’t see her stopping Bobby so it still comes down to a stalemate between Bobby and Darwin
So with current Rachel you think Uncanny wins?That is what i figured when i made the thread, but some people thought otherwise. I think it is a pretty even match,you have good versatility on both sides, and a decent spread of power.
hmmm....this is purely theory, but if something was suddenly and totally frozen at absolute zero (molecules and everything) how would Darwin be able to evolve? Nothing in his body is moving, so the time frame in which he could evolve would be stunted and not be able to be realized since he is in effect stopped, stone cold, like a kinetic drain. Just a thought 😬
Originally posted by Blair Wind
hmmm....this is purely theory, but if something was suddenly and totally frozen at absolute zero (molecules and everything) how would Darwin be able to evolve? Nothing in his body is moving, so the time frame in which he could evolve would be stunted and not be able to be realized since he is in effect stopped, stone cold, like a kinetic drain. Just a thought 😬
Darwin can evolve before the stimulus connects...i.e. if he knows the nature of Icemans powers he'll evolve before the attack. Like in his suicide attempt he evolved way before he hit the ground.
And if it's a sneak attack and he doesn't know the nature of Bobby's attack i.e. Like the Krakoa incident. Then the moment Bobby's kinetic drain starts occuring(Which would act as a Stimulus for Darwin) Darwin Evolves as his body is in a state of continuous evolution, plus it doesn't have to be activated consciously it works subconsciously. Hence the reason why he was able to survive Krakoas attack. He didn't know the nature of the energy and it was a sneak attack.
BTW Darwin can force his evolutions...i.e. The Sharp Skin...and the Super Strength. He can force himself to become some Iceman Killer..for example...he could become immune to Icemans Powers and x-gene suppressor radiation and then evolve to emit the same kind of radiation those machines emit. That way all he'll need to do is force his evolution to gain Super Strength and then snap Bobby's neck.
Uncanny X-Men take this because of Darwin and his plot devices.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
A) Snap Bobbys neck 🤨B) But a "killing" attack and a stopping all kinetic movement in a persons molecules before their body can totally evolve against them, thus STOPPING them (since nothing moves at that temp. NOTHING) are two totally different things. Its a theory, but I think it could work. 😬
I knew that would get that reaction out of you 😛
A.) Well with Bobby's X-gene suppressed....he'll just be human. So yeah snapping the neck works. To win this all Darwin needs to do is suppress Bobby's x-gene...if Darwin force-evolves to give off the same radiation as a mutant dampening device(Without himself being effected) then that should be enough to win this.
B.) If it was a sneak attack then it might work....though it still seems kind of iffy with Darwin being in a state of continuous evolution and all. Anyway since there is no a sneak attack in this particular match up...and Darwin can force his evolutions to his liking...all he needs to do is evolve past Iceman's powers...before Bobby gets a chance to use this attack and then use method A.) to win the match.
BTW Would you say...Bobby has absolute control over Kinetic Energy or just control of the Kinetic Energy of Water Molecules?
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Dont know enough about Darwin to say anything more.
Interesting, I didnt have that second scan. Gonna have to add it later.
Anyways, I would have to say Iceman CAN have absolute control over kinetic energy and NOT just water molecules, but that is what he works with most. Freezing all the molecules of a celestial ship (which have no water) would go to prove this point (as would heat vision)
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Dont know enough about Darwin to say anything more.Interesting, I didnt have that second scan. Gonna have to add it later.
Anyways, I would have to say Iceman CAN have absolute control over kinetic energy and NOT just water molecules, but that is what he works with most. Freezing all the molecules of a celestial ship (which have no water) would go to prove this point (as would heat vision)
Agreed. He has the potential to control all kinetic energy.
Just hasn't quite reached it yet.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Dont know enough about Darwin to say anything more.Interesting, I didnt have that second scan. Gonna have to add it later.
Anyways, I would have to say Iceman CAN have absolute control over kinetic energy and NOT just water molecules, but that is what he works with most. Freezing all the molecules of a celestial ship (which have no water) would go to prove this point (as would heat vision)
Cool...makes sense since he's suppose to be Omega and all..water molecules would be kind of limiting.
If you look at the scan in where he froze Legion and they said that he froze all the water in his body Legion was still able to think and react so he didn’t freeze everything as it stated. I don’t think that they will ever make him have control over kinetic energy because that would fall into the realm of Gambit and New Son but more of what he is doing is removing heat and not kinetic energy which is a big difference.
Originally posted by ThePittman
If you look at the scan in where he froze Legion and they said that he froze all the water in his body Legion was still able to think and react so he didn’t freeze everything as it stated. I don’t think that they will ever make him have control over kinetic energy because that would fall into the realm of Gambit and New Son but more of what he is doing is removing heat and not kinetic energy which is a big difference.
He's frozen a celestial ship, and all it was composed of (molecules). It did not have water in it, therefore he is not just limited to water . Besides heat is the measure of movement of kinetic energy 😬
a.) Could you even supressed Bobby's power when at Iceform, considering the diff. from human to Elemental physiology are quite substansial.. (his no longer human/mutant but an elemental and follows diff. law) Myself i dont think those dampening tech/powers would work on Bobby's iceform...
b.)Theres got to be some kind of energy/aura extended outside of Darwins physical body to sense the kind of evolution needed for him to survived, question is, does it work faster than Bobby's Ice powers?
c.)Tie, unless Bobby's human prior to the fight...
