How about Batwing or
Nighthawk- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nighthawk_%28Supreme_Power%29
Or Taskmaster
or Deadpool.
How about Batwing or
Nighthawk- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nighthawk_%28Supreme_Power%29
Or Taskmaster
or Deadpool.
dude Deadpool would take one look at Joker and shoot him between the eyes. Problem solved.
Realistically, what about Hush?? from Hush. He was pretty much called the evil-Batman. He managed to take out Bruce in such a nutso fashion that Bruce didnt catch on till like a week later. Well...not really, but yea: Hush
Originally posted by lorddreamer
dude Deadpool would take one look at Joker and shoot him between the eyes. Problem solved.Realistically, what about Hush?? from Hush. He was pretty much called the evil-Batman. He managed to take out Bruce in such a nutso fashion that Bruce didnt catch on till like a week later. Well...not really, but yea: Hush
I didn't mean "I'd love to see Deadpool try to fight the joker" implying that Deadpool would have trouble with him.
I meant that the dialogue between the Joker and Deadpool would be insane.
Originally posted by Soljer
I didn't mean "I'd love to see Deadpool try to fight the joker" implying that Deadpool would have trouble with him.I meant that the dialogue between the Joker and Deadpool would be insane.
I know. And it would go like this: *cackle* *bam* *snicker* 😛 Honostly that would beome a hilarious mini-series and eventually die over into a couple hilarious meetngs here and there when DP tries to killJoker, who sorta manages to skip out of the way of flying bullets.
The only person listed who could viably replace Bruce (at least to a large extent) would be Black Panther.
T'Challa is essentially a Bruce Wayne/Batman analogue in Marvel. While he was not originally created as an analogue, over the years he turned into a Batman doppelganger (currently he is essentially Marvel's Batman).
He has the smarts, he has the technology, he has the skills and prowess, and most importantly he has the 'on-off switch' that allows him to instantly turn dark at will. Remember that Batman is not essentially a 'good guy' .....he is quite literally an extremely dark malevolent person who has decided to do good. He is not a moral person (like WW or Superman) ...Batman is amoral (he is not moral nor is he immoral ....he is amoral, without a moral code with the closest thing coming to it being the Bushido code of Giri and Gimi). Batman does good and is a warrior of light, but that is solely by choice. He could be one of the worst villains out there in a picosecond!
Same about T'Challa. The guy is also amoral. He has no problem taking down his entire team (like Batman), he has formulated ways of doing exactly that (like Batman), and his moral fiber would allow him to do so without him losing a second of sleep (like Batman).
The only moral tendrils both have are towards close family (be it biological or adopted). Everyone else lives in an 'outside zone' where things are quite amorphous.
T'Challa could replace Batman without that much of a difference (and Batman could also replace T'Challa). The funny thing is that if Batman was to wear T'Challa's costumer (and not speak), and T'Challa was to wear Batman's costume (and somehow cover his face), no one in either team would know that a switch had occured.
The only thing I'd give to Batman over T'Challa is Batman's ability to think very many steps ahead. Now, T'Challa also does the same ....but Batman is on another level on this regard.
In the Obsidian age series Batman was basically thinking several MILLENIA in advance, and IT WORKED!
All in all the only one who can replace Bruce is T'Challa. All the other people either do not have the mental adeptness and flexibility, the physical training, the tactical and strategic planning abilities, the technological resources (note T'Challa has Wakandan tech, and Bruce has the best money can buy as well as a couple extra-terrestrial 'surprises' going for him) or the connections. Most importantly none of the others have the mental/moral structure of Batman and T'Challa.
Take Slade (who was not listed). He is an amazingly effective fighter, he is ruthless, he is skilled and he has resources. But he simply couldn't fill Batman's (or BPs) shoes.
Or Shiva. Amazing martial artist, but she couldn't do it.
Replacing Batman isn' about skills or strength or ability. If it was then a human wouldn't be in the JLA (where everyone else is basically a god).
Neither is it about intellect (Luthor or Reed Richards etc couldn't be in the JLA .....JLA already has some pretty intelligent people, eg Martian Manhunter, although this ability is seldom protrayed, is actually extremely smart).
It is about having everything together ......and then having that something extra.
To which extent Batman is Super Man (more of the principle of 'ubermensch' than even Kal-El .....Batman is the super man since he has taken his natural abilities to the next step. Superman on the other hand was simply born with his powers due to his alien heritage).
The only person on the list who is also a 'super man' is T'Challa. And he could replace Batman more or less (and vice-versa).
The others (eg Beast, Punisher, Spiderman etc) would literally get LAUGHED out of the JLA. (Take Spidey ....a great character, but in the JLA he would bring NOTHING to the table. Strength ....even Aquaman is far stronger than Spidey. Speed ....in the face of MM, WW, SM and Flash ...and even Aquaman can speedblitz. Actually Aquaman is a great discussion point on the JLA ....Aquaman is a very powerful character, but in the face of his peers in the JLA Aquaman appears weak in comparison. His telepathy, speed, strength, durability, fighting ability are all at very high levels, but compared to the telepathy of MM, the speed of the Flash, the strength of WonderWoman, the durability of Superman etc then his abilities significantly pale. Now imagine a character like Spiderman, who would primarily bring in physical abilities, being compared to the types of characters in the JLA. Spiderman, while being a very effective character, wouldn't even make it through the back door!).
Only T'Challa can replace Batman.
Originally posted by marvelprince
Panther is stronger and faster than Bruce. His herb basically is an equivilant of the SSS.Intectually though I would give it to Bruce, but its not half as lopsided as you think. Batman's taken down the JLA, Panther's taken down the FF. Batman imo is superior in this aspect but its not at all a curbstop
Panther is not only savvy in prep and scheming for battles but in the political arena he is unmatched. Doom recognizes his skills and has alluded to how brilliant and manipulative he is. Panther has even outwitted Tony and the United Nations and controlled momentarily the global market. This guy is a brain.
Originally posted by Soljer
Never really seen a feat from T'Challa that I couldn't see Bruce pulling off.And, T'Challa smarter than Bruce? Only if he's being written by Hudlin....
Ummm... 😐
No
T'Challa is one of the smartest guys in the MU. Sure he's no Reed or Doom, but I wouldn't put him much below Iron Man intelligence
And T'Challa's stats are amped from a magic fruit, basicly the african super soldier serum
Originally posted by golem370
How about Flag Smasher or Deadpool
The thing about a Batman replacement is that the focal point isn't on physical abilities. If it were then there would be a host of characters who could easily fill the spot. Comicdom is rife with meta/super/hyper characters who can easily provide sufficient power stats to the game.
Then there is also the mental aspect. Again, that is not the only thing to look at. There are many characters (although nowhere as many as those who are merely 'dumb bricks'😉 who have sufficient mental capacity to pass their SATs. Some can even write an essay! However we are not talking about brains and nothing else here .....which is whypeople like Reed couldn't get a position in the JLA. All they have to offer is brains, and that makes them too uni-dimensional for th Justice League (although it makes them perfect for the F4 or X-men, who tend to have one-trick ponies as I explained in an earlier post on another thread).
Most of the characters in the JLA are quite oni-dimensional (i.e having a diverse power set in a single individual ...eg characters like the martian manhunter and superman are basically entire X-men teams put into one individual when it comes to powersets. ....take MM: super-speed, super-strength, phasing/density alteration, high-order telepathy, heat vision, force breath, x-ray vision, high-order shapeshifting and size augmentation, high intellect). Thus a 'one-trick pony' would find it quite rough in the JLA (even characters like Aquaman have a set of abilities).
Now ...a Batman replacement.
It is not about strength, or skill, or brains .....or even the moral 'flexibility' I was talking about.
It is about ALL OF THOSE and MORE .....something that only ONE character listed from Marvel or DC can be able to accomplish, and accomplish well.
Black Panther.
That is the only guy who could technically replace Batman and not cause too many things to go wrong.
People like Deadpool would probably find themselves thrown into the coldness of space by one of the GLs in the JLA (although that wouldn't happen since a character like Deadpool wouldn't even be allowed anywhere near the Watchtower ....he couldn't qualify).
^ Totally agree Spetznaz!!! Obviously Bats isnt around for his speed, strength, brains or his tech!!! The replacement can't only have one, he'd need all of them, plus a bunch more stuff that comes in handy at random times i.e. political power(BP has that) quick wit (BP) capability to think far outside the box, a black, nocturnal animal as their symbol, etc... BP has everything, maybe not all at the same level, but... pretty damn close!