Kindomcome Flash vs Runner vs silver surfer

Started by Galan0073 pages

Originally posted by Alfheim
yes but since Runner is more powerful we coudl assume he is faster.
Im sure that Runner is much faster, I just don't think they were moving at several times the speed of light when they fought, thats all.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well ok its just physics if you travel at light speed you will time travel but of course comic book physics is different. At any rate Runner is much faster than SS and SS can travel several times the speed oif light. Surely the Runner can time travel.
Right, but I'm not just going to assume Runner can time travel if he has never done it.

Originally posted by Galan007
This isn't a team effort, its simply a race where the guy with the most flags wins.

And we know for sure that Surfer wont win.

yeah sorry that is why I edited my post. I have to learn to read

Originally posted by Galan007

Right, but I'm not just going to assume Runner can time travel if he has never done it.

Yes but you could assume that because flash's ability to time travel is due to his speed therefore it is likely that The Runner can do the same. Eventhough Runner is froma different universe they are both top tier speedsters therefore they both you should be able to have similar feats.

Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
yeah sorry that is why I edited my post. I have to learn to read
lol, i have the same damn problem.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes but you could assume that because flash's ability to time travel is due to his speed therefore it is likely that The Runner can do the same. Eventhough Runner is froma different universe they are both top tier speedsters therefore they both you should be able to have similar feats.
meh...... untill I see it, I don't like to assume things.

Originally posted by Galan007
meh...... untill I see it, I don't like to assume things.

Well ok....true, but in all fairness I think what I said was logical. I think we both have valid points.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well ok....true, but in all fairness I think what I said was logical. I think we both have valid points.
I agree, both points are logical 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
I agree, both points are logical 👆

Well thats the end of that then. 😂 Nice to be able to agree to disagree without being called names. 🙄

For those saying SS is not a factor in this race i strongly disagree perhaps the surfer isn't the best speedblitzer around but this isn't speed blitzing its travelling speed.

Originally posted by Supreme being
For those saying SS is not a factor in this race i strongly disagree perhaps the surfer isn't the best speedblitzer around but this isn't speed blitzing its travelling speed.

People are saying that Surfer is a non-factor because Runner has beaten him in speed. Surfer has travelled several thousand light years in a blink of an eye (during IG when he tried to snatch the gauntlet from Thanos). So that's billions to trillions times faster than the speed of light, and yet the Runner was even faster than that.

In regards to the fatigue statement, the Surfer does not need to eat or sleep, and will not run out of energy from flying. If he uses a huge expenditure of energy doing a blast or what not he will become tired, but he won't tire from conventional travel and has no need to eat, sleep or rest. His body is entirely sealed and is self-sustained on cosmic energy that is ambient throughout the universe. As he travels he naturally collects it, so there is no need to pause to get it back, it comes back just by moving around.

There was a comic in the silver surfer arc where he was stuck in a city that limited cosmic radiation and he slowly lost his cosmic power. He was instantly restored to full strength the moment they jettisoned him into space.

If he is in a huge battle and is knocked out, then it will take time to recover as he has suffered injuries or exhausted his power, but he will never fatigue from simple travel alone, as the majority of work is done by his surfboard which requires no extra energy to use.

Originally posted by Kutulu
People are saying that Surfer is a non-factor because Runner has beaten him in speed. Surfer has travelled several thousand light years in a blink of an eye (during IG when he tried to snatch the gauntlet from Thanos). So that's billions to trillions times faster than the speed of light, and yet the Runner was even faster than that.

In regards to the fatigue statement, the Surfer does not need to eat or sleep, and will not run out of energy from flying. If he uses a huge expenditure of energy doing a blast or what not he will become tired, but he won't tire from conventional travel and has no need to eat, sleep or rest. His body is entirely sealed and is self-sustained on cosmic energy that is ambient throughout the universe. As he travels he naturally collects it, so there is no need to pause to get it back, it comes back just by moving around.

There was a comic in the silver surfer arc where he was stuck in a city that limited cosmic radiation and he slowly lost his cosmic power. He was instantly restored to full strength the moment they jettisoned him into space.

If he is in a huge battle and is knocked out, then it will take time to recover as he has suffered injuries or exhausted his power, but he will never fatigue from simple travel alone, as the majority of work is done by his surfboard which requires no extra energy to use.

Surfer hasn't shown the ability to be able to speedblitz per say, And as you yourself have stated he can move incredibly fast in terms of travelling therefore i think his a factor in this race.

To tell the truth, I not positive that the Runner is faster than the Surfer anymore. They fought quite a while ago, and Surfer has been written more and more powerful as time's went by. I'm not saying that he' definitely faster or that Marvel's gonna win(I have no familiarity with this particular version of the Flash), but there's a BIG difference in the power levels of the Surfer during the fight with Runner, and the Surfer that's around now.

Originally posted by Supreme being
Surfer hasn't shown the ability to be able to speedblitz per say, And as you yourself have stated he can move incredibly fast in terms of travelling therefore i think his a factor in this race.

You are missing the point. Silver Surfer is very fast, probably faster than KC flash, but the Runner is faster than the Surfer. It's the process of elimination. We know that Runner is faster than Surfer, so you take Surfer out of the picture. Therefore Surfer is a non-factor. That doesn't mean that Surfer isn't super-fast, as he is one of the fastest heroes in Marvel, can travel literally billions times the speed of light, it just means that he is less fast than the Runner.

Surfer has travelled backwards in time before, btw, so he is capable of time travel.

Basically what I am saying is that whatever the Surfer has done in terms of speed, the Runner is even faster than that.

Here is Surfer travelling so fast Genis can barely hang on:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Vol3-006.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Vol3-007.jpg

Notice it says "galaxies streak past them in a blur". That's at least a half million light years travelled within the span of a few seconds.

Here he is travelling backwards in time, by using a wave of energy:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_129_04.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_129_05.jpg

Originally posted by darthgoober
To tell the truth, I not positive that the Runner is faster than the Surfer anymore. They fought quite a while ago, and Surfer has been written more and more powerful as time's went by. I'm not saying that he' definitely faster or that Marvel's gonna win(I have no familiarity with this particular version of the Flash), but there's a BIG difference in the power levels of the Surfer during the fight with Runner, and the Surfer that's around now.

The Runner is faster, and there is a good reason too. To the Runner, speed is all there is, he lives to run. That's his single motivation in life, that's all his powers are geared towards doing to the utmost extent. He has lived for billions of years just to run. That's why he is an Elder of the Universe. His will is so focused it literally stopped him from dying and granted him cosmic power, of which there has been billions of years to perfect and train upon.

If Surfer was 5 billion years old, then yeah he would probably be more powerful than the runner, but he is only several hundred years old, not an elder of the universe that has been running from galaxy to galaxy before planet Earth had even formed into a ball of molten rock.

Here is another example of a time feat by Surfer:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_051-08.jpg

http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_051-09.jpg

http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_051-12.jpg

With enough practice in using his Powers, Surfer eventually will be able to transcend the boundries of space and time and move at infinite speed. In the meantime the Runner is still faster though.

Oh and Surfer can travel forwards in time too:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_131_19.jpg

http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_131_22.jpg

Good Posts Kutulu.

I also like your mention of the IG speed blitz attempt on Thanos. I think it is the clearest speed feat around. He goes literally a light year in the tiniest fraction of a second. Also as I recall there is nothing in the panel that states he was only going light speed or some junk like that.

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Runner defeats surfer almost effortlessly. Seems he was toying with him.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnersurfer1.jpg

Runner easily dodges pc blasts.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnersurfer2.jpg

Surfer gets pissed off...

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnersurfer3.jpg

Runner slows down and confronts surfer hand to hand in a test of power.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnersurfer4.jpg

Surfer realizes that runner is much more powerful than he is. He is brought down to his knees and is defeated. Runner didnt look to be going all out at all.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnersurfer5.jpg

ps. - This battle was without the space gem.

Originally posted by darthgoober
(I have no familiarity with this particular version of the Flash)
KC Flash was only seen on like 3 pages that were of any consequence, but here are his feats...

He guarded an entire city by himself.

"No one sees him, no one hears him, but everyone has felt his presence"

"He is everywhere at once"

Flash also can transcend all planes of existance, all strata of reality is open to him. He demonstrated this when he pulled the man observing KC from another plane of reality:

Originally posted by Galan007
😏

Runner defeats surfer almost effortlessly. Seems he was toying with him.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnersurfer1.jpg

Runner easily dodges pc blasts.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnersurfer2.jpg

Surfer gets pissed off...

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnersurfer3.jpg

Runner slows down and confronts surfer hand to hand in a test of power.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnersurfer4.jpg

Surfer realizes that runner is much more powerful than he is. He is brought down to his knees and is defeated. Runner didnt look to be going all out at all.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnersurfer5.jpg

ps. - This battle was without the space gem.

Do you have the scans from the issues following that? Everyone uses that to show how Runner owns SS but I seem to remember more equal fighting in the SS issues which followed. This was all part of the elders plan to kill Galactus. I don't have the scans and it has been a while. But I seem to remember thinking they were more of equals after this.

Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
Do you have the scans from the issues following that? Everyone uses that to show how Runner owns SS but I seem to remember more equal fighting in the SS issues which followed. This was all part of the elders plan to kill Galactus. I don't have the scans and it has been a while. But I seem to remember thinking they were more of equals after this.
I only have those scans

KMC flash was so fast that he could be everywhere at once. He was like the living speed force. He was an abstract. On another lvl than either of these two. He was existing in different dimensions and planes of reality at once. He could complete the entire contest before either move one inch.