I want actual proof.
"There is a hint in the movie that there was a Sith Lord who had the power to create life. But it's left unsaid: Is Anakin a product of a super-Sith who influenced the Midichlorians to create him, or is he simply created by the Midichlorians to bring forth a prophecy, or was he created by the Force through the Midichlorians? It's left up to the audience to decide. How he was born ultimately has no relationship to how he dies, because in the end, the prophecy is true: Balance comes back to the Force."
-- George Lucas, Rolling Stone Magazine, June 2005.
Here, Lucas says it's left up to the audience to decide, and I've decided on Freedon Nadd.
Well, then you're a moron.
Lucas was saying that Anakin's birth and circumstance was up to the audience, not 'pic your own Chosen One."
He says directly on the ROTJ commentary that Anakin's the Chosen One, the NEC says Anakin's the Chosen One, the Visual Guide calls Anakin the chosen One, so does the Novelization.
Got it?
If there were a KMC 'Dumbass of the Year' Award, the following quote from Planet would be the one that I would submit. Though, I guess, all of his posts would meet the criteria - and likely all of them would give him a landslide victory.
Originally posted by Sexyback
I want actual proof."There is a hint in the movie that there was a Sith Lord who had the power to create life. But it's left unsaid: Is Anakin a product of a super-Sith who influenced the Midichlorians to create him, or is he simply created by the Midichlorians to bring forth a prophecy, or was he created by the Force through the Midichlorians? It's left up to the audience to decide. How he was born ultimately has no relationship to how he dies, because in the end, the prophecy is true: Balance comes back to the Force."
-- George Lucas, Rolling Stone Magazine, June 2005.
Here, Lucas says it's left up to the audience to decide, and I've decided on Freedon Nadd.
See Lightsnake's post. It's quite clear to everyone with an IQ above 0.3 that Lucas is allowing the audience to decide the circumstances of Anakin's birth. Did a super-Sith Lord create him or was he conceived of the Force itself? You decide.
May I direct your attention to this:
"How he was born ultimately has no relationship to how he dies, because in the end, the prophecy is true: Balance comes back to the Force."
Read that. S-L-O-W-L-Y. That right there makes it clear that, despite the circumstances of his birth, he brought balance to the Force. Meaning: Anakin Skywalker is the Chosen One. Not Freedon Nadd.
Anyways, when you make your acceptance speech, be sure to thank me for giving you the opportunity to become KMC's Dumbass of the Year.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Ah so as usual you ignore the NEC,
The NEC is an in-universe source, whatever the historian has to say is fallible, and no better than what you or I might say.
the DSB,
The DSB says nothing of the sort, thanks again for proving that you don't know what you're talking about and can only copy other members. You see Sexy, naming sources is great and all, but the fact that you don't even own one of these sources shows us that you are nothing more than a copycat.
and the ROTS/ROTJ commentary,
Provide proof that Gideon isn't lying!
among other sources,
Like what?
See Lightsnake's post. It's quite clear to everyone with an IQ above 0.3 that Lucas is allowing the audience to decide the circumstances of Anakin's birth. Did a super-Sith Lord create him or was he conceived of the Force itself? You decide.
No no, read again. What you need to understand is that how he was born is everything to do with the prophecy. GL is giving you the option to speculate how he was born, one of these options don't apply to the prophecy (the super-sith option), therefor GL is giving you the option to speculate whether Anakin is the chosen one, and if not him, who?
May I direct your attention to this:"How he was born ultimately has no relationship to how he dies, because in the end, the prophecy is true: Balance comes back to the Force."
Read that. S-L-O-W-L-Y. That right there makes it clear that, despite the circumstances of his birth, he brought balance to the Force. Meaning: Anakin Skywalker is the Chosen One. Not Freedon Nadd.
No no, I think it is you who needs to read slowly. All that GL says is balance is brought, he doesn't say that Anakin brought balance, and he doesn't say permanently.
Now the fact is, the prophecy was made while the sith were still a race, so the prophecy is quite clearly referring to the ancient sith race; the true sith. Now it was Freedon Nadd who ultimately destroyed the 'true' sith, and so he's the best candidate.
Ummm, wait, how is how he was born having anything to do with the Prophecy?
According to the Visual guide and the NEC, Plagueis believed even if he simulated the midichlorians would be a child of the Force itself.
Lucas DIRECTLY CONFIRFMED Anakin is the Chosen One, for the last time.
oh, since Nadd was:
A. sith himself and he:
B. didn't destroy the True sith thanks to KOTOR II and:
C. The last 'true Sith' was Palpatine....
No no, read again. What you need to understand is that how he was born is everything to do with the prophecy. GL is giving you the option to speculate how he was born, one of these options don't apply to the prophecy (the super-sith option), therefor GL is giving you the option to speculate whether Anakin is the chosen one, and if not him, who?
No, you don't understand. Do you not recall what Palpatine said, regarding Plagueis's ability? "He directly influences midichlorians to create life". Midichlorians are the things that give Force users their power. So if he were created by midichlorians, he would be created by the Force itself. It still applies.
Lucas is not giving you the option to speculate whether or not Anakin is the Chosen One. Period.
No no, I think it is you who needs to read slowly. All that GL says is balance is brought, he doesn't say that Anakin brought balance, and he doesn't say permanently.
Please. It's made quite clear that the PT was a time of imbalance. Balance = no more Sith. When did that happen? When Sidious and Vader were killed at Endor. That is when the Sith were, finally, wiped out once and for all. Sidious and Vader were true Sith Lords, and they were the last ones.
Now the fact is, the prophecy was made while the sith were still a race, so the prophecy is quite clearly referring to the ancient sith race; the true sith. Now it was Freedon Nadd who ultimately destroyed the 'true' sith, and so he's the best candidate.
The Prophecy isn't "quite clearly" referring to anything. The Sith weren't even mentioned in the Prophecy, dumbass. All it says is that "one will be born to bring balance to the Force, and he shall be known as the sun of suns." Tatooine, much?
It is Lucas who finally elaborated that the balance of the Force = no more Sith (referring to the order of Force users - not the race). That he labels Sidious as "Sith" is an obvious indication that he is referring to the Force users themselves, not the race, as Sidious and Vader were both human.
So, no. Freedon Nadd isn't the best candidate. Period.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Ummm, wait, how is how he was born having anything to do with the Prophecy?
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Chosen_One
Do some research!
According to the Visual guide and the NEC, Plagueis believed even if he simulated the midichlorians would be a child of the Force itself.
I'm not really seeing what you're trying to say here.
Lucas DIRECTLY CONFIRFMED Anakin is the Chosen One, for the last time.
Prove it.
oh, since Nadd was:
A. sith himself and he:
LMAO, and Vader wasn't?
B. didn't destroy the True sith thanks to KOTOR II and:
LMAO, didn't realise that Traya was infallible..
C. The last 'true Sith' was Palpatine....
Palpatine was nothing more than a poser, a copycat of the 'true' sith that the prophecy was referring to.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Chosen_One[/url]
Do some research!
[Planet] No! You prove it! Waaa! [/Planet]
I'm not really seeing what you're trying to say here.
That's not surprising.
Prove it.
Could say the same about you.
LMAO, and Vader wasn't?
Gee, not at the time when he fulfilled the prophecy and chucked Palpatine down the reactor shaft. He was redeemed by his son. Dumbass.
LMAO, didn't realise that Traya was infallible..
Lmao... you don't get it.
Palpatine was nothing more than a poser, a copycat of the 'true' sith that the prophecy was referring to.
Lol, Sexy, no one cares what you think. Palpatine was a Sith Lord, and the last Sith Master. Period.
Originally posted by Gideon
No, you don't understand. Do you not recall what Palpatine said, regarding Plagueis's ability? "He directly influences midichlorians to create life". Midichlorians are the things that give Force users their power. So if he were created by midichlorians, he would be created by the Force itself. It still applies.Lucas is [B]not
giving you the option to speculate whether or not Anakin is the Chosen One. Period.[/B]
Looks like someone isn't fully familiar with the prophecy of the chosen ones..
It was stated that the midi-chlorians would create the chosen one in order to fulfill the prophecy.
Please. It's made quite clear that the PT was a time of imbalance. Balance = no more Sith. When did that happen? When Sidious and Vader were killed at Endor. That is when the Sith were, finally, wiped out once and for all. Sidious and Vader were true Sith Lords, and they were the last ones.
The prophecy was made when the ancient sith were still alive, it's referring to them, Palpatine and Vader were posers.
The Prophecy isn't "quite clearly" referring to anything. The Sith weren't even mentioned in the Prophecy, dumbass. All it says is that "one will be born to bring balance to the Force, and he shall be known as the sun of suns." Tatooine, much?
Didn't realise that you had access to the entire prophecy, lol..
It is Lucas who finally elaborated that the balance of the Force = no more Sith (referring to the order of Force users - not the race). That he labels Sidious as "Sith" is an obvious indication that he is referring to the Force users themselves, not the race, as Sidious and Vader were both human.
Wrong! It was the jedi who came to interpret the prophecy in that way, the interpretation is only ever given to the audience in the perspective of inside the SW mythology.
So, no. Freedon Nadd isn't the best candidate. Period.
Yes, he is. And considering the kind of stuff he could do as a spirit, whereas Anakin was still a nobody by the age of 21, he's a much better candidate.
Looks like someone isn't fully familiar with the prophecy of the chosen ones..It was stated that the midi-chlorians would create the chosen one in order to fulfill the prophecy.
Looks like someone isn't fully familiar with reading comprehension. So, we'll run through it one more time for you. If Plagueis created Anakin, the only method he could have done that (as per accounts from RoDV) is to "directly influence the midichlorians to create life."
So, in case you don't understand, either way, he was created by midichlorians. And, as you nicely pointed out, he had to be created by midichlorians to fulfill the prophecy. 🙄
The prophecy was made when the ancient sith were still alive, it's referring to them, Palpatine and Vader were posers.
No, it isn't. Palpatine = last true Dark Lord of the Sith. Period.
Didn't realise that you had access to the entire prophecy, lol..
Read some of the novelizations sometime.
Wrong! It was the jedi who came to interpret the prophecy in that way, the interpretation is only ever given to the audience in the perspective of inside the SW mythology.
Wrong! Lucas elaborated on it. Balance = no Sith.
Yes, he is. And considering the kind of stuff he could do as a spirit, whereas Anakin was still a nobody by the age of 21, he's a much better candidate.
No he's not.
[Planet] Prove it! Waa! [/Planet]
🙄
1. George Lucas states Anakin brings Balance to the force and is the real Chosen One in ROTJ's commentary.
2. ????
3. PRofit!
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Chosen_One
Behind the scenes
* It is believed by some that the prophecy of the Chosen One is connected to the prophecy of the "Son of the Suns", as stated in the novelization of Episode IV:
"…And in the time of greatest despair, there shall come a savior, and he shall be known as THE SON OF THE SUNS."
—Journal of the Whills, 3:127
This, however, was written in 1977, when the prophecy of the Chosen One had not been developed, and is actually referencing the actions of Luke Skywalker, not his father.
* George Lucas himself has stated that Anakin is the Chosen One, although Luke indirectly served as the catalyst that allowed Anakin to fulfill the prophecy.
Originally posted by Gideon
Looks like someone isn't fully familiar with reading comprehension. So, we'll run through it one more time for you. If Plagueis created Anakin, the only method he could have done that (as per accounts from RoDV) is to "directly influence the midichlorians to create life."So, in case you don't understand, either way, he was created by midichlorians. And, as you nicely pointed out, he had to be created by midichlorians to fulfill the prophecy. 🙄
Key words: in order to.
Didn't realise that Darth PMAN created Anakin so that he would destroy the sith, lmao!!
No, it isn't. Palpatine = last true Dark Lord of the Sith. Period.
Wrong!! Palpatine = Poser/Loser. Period.
Read some of the novelizations sometime.
Read secondary source material? How about no?
Wrong! Lucas elaborated on it. Balance = no Sith.
How about you prove up and quit lying.