EVANGEL94's 2nd SLUGFEST SHOWDOWN TOURNAMENT: Scoobless vs Loot (Vote Now!)

Originally posted by Laminator_X
Jean's telepathic powers were dormant at that point, and remained so through much of the original X-Factor run.

Mind you, I'm not taking a position in the debate over weather Sue's forcefield blocks telepathy. I'm merely pointing out that the example of FF#286 doesn't address that question one way another.

I do find it interesting that Jean was unable to levitate her behind her shield though.

she did stop a mental power, its all conected her powers are psionic as well. wasn´t magneto stated has being able to protect his mind from some TP attacks

Originally posted by Loot
Your are basing your victory in psylock telepathy, but you can´t make a mental shutdown, of course against telepathy its even more dificult to beat you, but you will not be able to pass trough invisible womans shields

I don't need a mental shut down, Sue's shields are kept up through concentration, with her under constant telepathic attack her concentration will collapse.

None of your team will be shielded by her.

None of your team will be invisible.

If by some fluke, her shields aren't completely down after this they will definitely be severely weakened. Invisible Woman gets feedback when her shields are burst ... she has even been knocked out by it, one blasst from Quasar onto a weakened shield and she'll be out like a light.

Originally posted by Loot
thats assuming a lot. e´ve been reading a lot right now there´s a huge discussion about this

Assuming?... looking and reading actually.

There's a huge discussion about whether TP effects her even though you can see it right there?

Sue is affected by telepathy ... everyone can see it for themselves right there.
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Originally posted by Loot
she did stop a mental power, its all conected her powers are psionic as well. wasn´t magneto stated has being able to protect his mind from some TP attacks

What has Magneto got to do with anything?

Originally posted by Scoobless
I don't need a mental shut down, Sue's shields are kept up through concentration, with her under constant telepathic attack her concentration will collapse.

None of your team will be shielded by her.

None of your team will be invisible.

If by some fluke, her shields aren't completely down after this they will definitely be severely weakened. Invisible Woman gets feedback when her shields are burst ... she has even been knocked out by it, one blasst from Quasar onto a weakened shield and she'll be out like a light.

Assuming?... looking and reading actually.

There's a huge discussion about whether TP effects her even though you can see it right there?

Sue is affected by telepathy ... everyone can see it for themselves right there.
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What has Magneto got to do with anything?

In the scan we don´t know if its a closed force field could be simply a wall, but like i said in a comics different writers put different things sometimes.

just saying that Magneto was stated sometimes having psionic powers that can protect him against telepathy like sue. its the same way that all psychics are invulnerable to pyschics of lesser power, it would have to take someone of amazing power to bypass her force field.

still you are only after IW, saying that without force fields i would loose.
Spawn can create a force field if he wants, he can use telepathy on psylock enter inside her mind and freak her out, he can use magic against your force fields. no one in your team can catch nightcrawler, and how marvel can catch banshee in air? and this is all assuming i´m without force fields. because do you really think a woman that has stood up against the likes of incredible powerful beings, will have a problem with psylocke?

http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sue2020019mn3.jpg

(sue beating rogue, havoc, dazzler and longshot)

and can someone confirm to me that sound waves can pass trough force fields? or this is completly wrong, because i really have the idea this has happen before, do not underestimate the rest of my team.
and after surfer beats quasar or spawn destroys your force fields, where my team has a chance without force fields your´s don´t.

Originally posted by Loot
and sue is not the only team member i have, you are even forgeting surfer, after he beats quasar, he will help the team is necessary, i really don´t see quasar beating surfer, giving him a hell of a trouble? yes of course

Of course Quasar can beat Surfer... hell, Surfer was fighting for the life of the entire Universe and he couldn't take Quasar down and this time Quasar's armour will be ten times stronger than it was then.

Surfer will be getting drained constantly while his attacks get him nowhere against the quantum armour and Quasar keeps knocking the crap out of him.

Quasar threw that armour on in an instant, the longer he takes over constructs the stronger they become and he's spent quite a while on his armour this time.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Of course Quasar can beat Surfer... hell, Surfer was fighting for the life of the entire Universe and he couldn't take Quasar down and this time Quasar's armour will be ten times stronger than it was then.

Surfer will be getting drained constantly while his attacks get him nowhere against the quantum armour and Quasar keeps knocking the crap out of him.

Quasar threw that armour on in an instant, the longer he takes over constructs the stronger they become and he's spent quite a while on his armour this time.

yep 2 hours, that doens´t mean it will be 10 times stronger, that doens´t mean he can take the surfer. in terms of manipulating power? Surfer is power. its thanks to your force fields that this fight will take a lot of time, but eventually with the abbility surfer has of absorbing and manipulating energy, and being physically superior, expecially in terms of speed

you are saying in that fight surfer was fighting for the life of the universe, do you know why his fighting now? the rules make the characters fight for the most important thing for them. Surfer owen quasar in that fight, because your cionstructs have 2 hours of time, i´m not saying he would owe him, just that he would win

Originally posted by Loot
do you really think a woman that has stood up against the likes of incredible powerful beings, will have a problem with psylocke?

http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sue2020019mn3.jpg

(sue beating rogue, havoc, dazzler and longshot)

and can someone confirm to me that sound waves can pass trough force fields? or this is completly wrong, because i really have the idea this has happen before, do not underestimate the rest of my team.
and after surfer beats quasar or spawn destroys your force fields, where my team has a chance without force fields your´s don´t.

Yes, because Sue has no defence against telepathy.

She didn't "beat" anyone in that scan, she just redirected Rogue into a car.... the fight later gets broken up.

All force fields are different, Sue's let through Sonic attacks but that doesn't mean other people's will.
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Banshee is never getting through Quasar's shields ... Q would just absorb his energy.

There's why Banshee isn't getting through.

Here's why Surfer isn't getting through:

If you're going to rely on energy attacks against Quasar then you have no chance of beating him.

And invisible or not he can detect the exact location of Sue through her power signature.

He only needs an instant (which he can gain by blasting the Surfer off of his board as previously shown) to perform a feat like this:

Those things gave Thor a hard fight

Sue's weakened shields couldn't handle that, Spawn would be badly hurt and your street guys would be dead.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Yes, because Sue has no defence against telepathy.

She didn't "beat" anyone in that scan, she just redirected Rogue into a car.... the fight later gets broken up.

All force fields are different, Sue's let through Sonic attacks but that doesn't mean other people's will.
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Banshee is never getting through Quasar's shields ... Q would just absorb his energy.

There's why Banshee isn't getting through.

Here's why Surfer isn't getting through:

If you're going to rely on energy attacks against Quasar then you have no chance of beating him.

And invisible or not he can detect the exact location of Sue through her power signature.

He only needs an instant (which he can gain by blasting the Surfer off of his board as previously shown) to perform a feat like this:

Those things gave Thor a hard fight

Sue's weakened shields couldn't handle that, Spawn would be badly hurt and your street guys would be dead.

of course but thats because quasar is your herald level, saying he would distract surfer and destroy my team is something surfer can do as well, would your team last against surfer? do i need to find scans of silver surfer feats?

and where does your scan show that sound powers are nothing to quasar shield. and where did it show more impresive feats then surfer? it didn´t (but you maybe correct on banshee since i never saw someone trying this, i was just asking ans saying its a possibility) but something that it is true is that magic can affect quasar constructs, and spwan uses magic.

sue can beat people more powerful then psylock or that scan that i posted
http://img376.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ff22190vp.jpg
http://img376.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ff22204gy.jpg
http://img376.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ff22215tk.jpg
http://img288.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ff22224of.jpg

Originally posted by Loot
yep 2 hours, that doens´t mean it will be 10 times stronger, that doens´t mean he can take the surfer. in terms of manipulating power? Surfer is power. its thanks to your force fields that this fight will take a lot of time, but eventually with the abbility surfer has of absorbing and manipulating energy, and being physically superior, expecially in terms of speed

10 times is just an approximation .. it'll be a hell of a lot tougher than before though.

Surfer is power? ... Quasar is the best power absorber/manipulator in the herald - skyfather weight class.

Surfer isn't faster than Quasar.

Originally posted by Loot
you are saying in that fight surfer was fighting for the life of the universe, do you know why his fighting now? the rules make the characters fight for the most important thing for them. Surfer owen quasar in that fight, because your cionstructs have 2 hours of time, i´m not saying he would owe him, just that he would win

You do realise that fighting for the universe he couldn't beat Quasar in that fight... did you read the text?

Originally posted by Loot
Surfer owen quasar in that fight

I assume that either means "owned" or "won" ... either way it's wrong.

Quasar lets the Surfer beat on him so that Order wins and the Universe can be saved.

Notice also that he deliberately drops his quantum armour to do so because with it on the Surfer isn't hurting him much at all.

Originally posted by Scoobless
10 times is just an approximation .. it'll be a hell of a lot tougher than before though.

Surfer is power? ... Quasar is the best power absorber/manipulator in the herald - skyfather weight class.

Surfer isn't faster than Quasar.

You do realise that fighting for the universe he couldn't beat Quasar in that fight... did you read the text?

I assume that either means "owned" or "won" ... either way it's wrong.

Quasar lets the Surfer beat on him so that Order wins and the Universe can be saved.

Notice also that he deliberately drops his quantum armour to do so because with it on the Surfer isn't hurting him much at all.

i was confusing this with another fight, didn´t surfer owned quasar in one fight? or maybe i´m confusing things, but yes in this fight quasar lost, it still doens´t mean he can beat surfer. best absorber/manipulator? i don´t think so

and beside that scan where i don´t even know if its only a wall of force field, you haven´t proved that she doens´t have telepathy, but you could say the same of me, i´m just remembering the jean grey fight (she did stop a mental attack even if it was TK) and psy-lord.
But her feats against the like of galactus, celestials (just an example din´t need to explain why she could break a celestials armor i know), annihulus. she´s not in her leagues, she´s mucki more qeak then them, ans she stood up against some of they´re attacks, and did you see her beating all those guys in the scans, psylocke is not going to be a problem, expecially with spawn in my team.

spawn can create everything he wans, even if it is at enhanced meta is impressive and a way lot better then 50%

http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spawnbook40961xj.jpg

Invisible woman can open incredibly powerful force fields (and spawn magic will break quasar constructs):

http://img235.imageshack.us/my.php?image=13083realf14bp2.jpg

sue has more impressive feats then psyloce, and remember that this fight is not just sue vs psylocke.

your team is not as fast as mine, even without force fields you will have trouble catching nightcrawler, spawn, invisible woman, even banshee, your team is not exactly composed of people who can fly. And spawn is also a teleporter, i mean spawn is everything he wants.

shang shi and taskmaster are better fighters then anyone on your team.

surfer is faster then quasar and can and will beat quasar, even without the help of others i think he can pull this one on solo. but if comes down tho both of them i think the rest of my team will prevail and help him.

This is going to take a long time to read over, ill post my vote later this evening.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Invisible Woman failing to protect against telepathy:

I did a little research, Psycho Man does not use telepathy, he uses an element (Element L) that produces "waves" which effect the emotional state of his victims allowing him some degree of control ... It is [b]nothing like telepathy.
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Psylocke attacks Sue, her concentration dissapears, her shields drop, her team is visible, she is easily KOd. [/B]

she did however resisted to psycho man psychic attack.
And then i talked about psy-lord who franklin richard had become and he can have telepathy. i´m not saying she´s completely immune, but highly resistant to it, it qould had to take a more powerful telepath then psylocke to beat her, or at least that fast.

Originally posted by Loot
spawn can create everything he wans, even if it is at enhanced meta is impressive and a way lot better then 50%

http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spawnbook40961xj.jpg

Invisible woman can open incredibly powerful force fields (and spawn magic will break quasar constructs):

http://img235.imageshack.us/my.php?image=13083realf14bp2.jpg

sue has more impressive feats then psyloce, and remember that this fight is not just sue vs psylocke.

your team is not as fast as mine, even without force fields you will have trouble catching nightcrawler, spawn, invisible woman, even banshee, your team is not exactly composed of people who can fly. And spawn is also a teleporter, i mean spawn is everything he wants.

shang shi and taskmaster are better fighters then anyone on your team.

You just posted another scan where Sue is under mental control ... 🙂

I didn't choose my whole team to be fighters, Hawkeye(s) can easily keep Taskmaster/Shang Chi at a distance through a variety of different trick arrows.

Faster?
Wolverine's reflexes >> Nightcrawler's reflexes
Noh-Varr >>>>> Banshee, Nightcrawler, Taskmaster and Shang Chi
Mimic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone except Surfer

Noh-Varr is faster on the ground than anyone else in this match and stronger than everyone else in the Meta group:

And that's without using his energy weapons.... these things can knock hurt (though not badly hurt) Thing level characters:

Banshee wont know what has hit him ... and as soon as he's shot Banshee down he can easily solo your street guys.

Originally posted by Loot
and beside that scan where i don´t even know if its only a wall of force field

She's gesturing upward and creating a circular field.... it seems like a bubble.... either way, the TP went through no problem.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
This is going to take a long time to read over, ill post my vote later this evening.

Sorry about that ... at least it's only going to last one day.

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Originally posted by Scoobless
You just posted another scan where Sue is under mental control ... 🙂

I didn't choose my whole team to be fighters, Hawkeye(s) can easily keep Taskmaster/Shang Chi at a distance through a variety of different trick arrows.

Faster?
Wolverine's reflexes >> Nightcrawler's reflexes
Noh-Varr >>>>> Banshee, Nightcrawler, Taskmaster and Shang Chi
Mimic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone except Surfer

Noh-Varr is faster on the ground than anyone else in this match and stronger than everyone else in the Meta group:

And that's without using his energy weapons.... these things can knock hurt (though not badly hurt) Thing level characters:

Banshee wont know what has hit him ... and as soon as he's shot Banshee down he can easily solo your street guys.

i never said she couln´t be mind controlled, i said her shield could block telepathy, of course not telepathy from the phoenix or nate grey.

finnaly you talked about marvel, i couldn´t say much about him i don´t know him, but your underestimating banshee, he can fly, marvel can´t, he can shield himself with his powers, he can affect marvel equilibrium putting him down. but i realise marvel is excelent it may take more of my people to take him down, both spawn and sue can do it, and banshee with the help of kurt has a better chance, still i´m hust saying banshee has a good chance of doing it alone, don´t underestimate him.

Wolverine's reflexes are not faster then Nightcrawler's reflexes, and the teleportation kinda gives night the advantage

you said mimic was faster then everyone except surfer, but your wrong, spawn can become faster then mimic.

Forgot to add this part:

Originally posted by Loot
sue can beat people more powerful then psylock or that scan that i posted
http://img376.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ff22190vp.jpg
http://img376.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ff22204gy.jpg
http://img376.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ff22215tk.jpg
http://img288.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ff22224of.jpg

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Gotta love the off panel comedy fights ... reminds me of those old cartoons where the character would run off the page, there'd be a loud clatter, then he'd walk back on with a burst drumkit round his neck

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Psylocke is our long range character, she isn't getting physically involved (as her powers don't require her to) ... she's staying hidden a few miles from the main battlesite. Sue will never know where she is.

Originally posted by Scoobless

Psylocke is our long range character, she isn't getting physically involved (as her powers don't require her to) ... she's staying hidden a few miles from the main battlesite. Sue will never know where she is.

but surfer and spawn will.

didn´t i mention surfer has telepathy as well?

Originally posted by Loot
you said mimic was faster then everyone except surfer, but your wrong, spawn can become faster then mimic.

Can become? ... maybe ... but does he have a couple years experience fighting at that speed?

There are a few different levels of power for Spawn ... if he can gain any power he wants and create anything he wants as you've said a couple of times it seems like you're using a higher level Spawn to the one you drafted.

No-one else in the Enhanced Meta category can manipulate matter, give themselves any power, become faster/stronger/more durable/whatever just because they feel like it.

I wouldn't mind some clarification on the limits of E-Meta version Spawn ... or possibly a ruling from Evangel as to what he is and is not permitted to do here.

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Originally posted by Loot
but surfer and spawn will.

didn´t i mention surfer has telepathy as well?

Since when is Surfer a telepath?

I have scans showing Surfer being telepathically controlled.

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Originally posted by Scoobless
Since when is Surfer a telepath?

I have scans showing Surfer being telepathically controlled.

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err psylocke is a telepath, she was mind controled before 😉 .
Being a telepath doens´t mean you can´t be mind controled (by the way in your scans is it his mind or soul being controlled?)

and yes surfer is a telepath, thats the way he knows how to comunicate with all the life forms in the universe, and the way he send messages trough space, he once send one to some persons in earth, i can scan it if you want?

he don´t use his telepathy to attack, don´t even know if he can, but i´m just saying je can comunicate trough telepathy (that i can prove) and he can find psylocke and tell the others about her.