Originally posted by Tony Stark
Sue can create different strength, sized, thicknesses, and shaped force fields. Just because "MAYBE" per that writer the TP got through that particular field...whose to say that Sue was using a real strong or thick version of it. I know that I've seen Sue block TP and TK in many occasions with her fields.
Thickness is irrelevant, sound, light and telepathic attacks have no problem going through Sue's fields.
Sue cannot block TP.
Why is it that everyone who "knows they've seen Sue block tp" can't remember where or when?
Maybe because it's never happened?
Originally posted by King KAM
Sue Kill Just about everyone besides Quasar instantly...who loses to Silver Surfer anywaysShe gives everyone brain and heart anuerism's and suffocates wolverine
One hit kill tactics such as opening fields inside people's brains/hearts were banned from the start.
A few of you seem to "feel" that Surfer beats Quasar regardless of what has actually transpired in the comics.
I put this down to Surfer's over-hyped rep on KMC.
Quasar has showings that are equally as good as anything Surfer has pulled out and even better in a lot of cases (especially if those cases involve people who heavily rely on energy based abilities... such as Heralds)
Very early in his career Quasar handled Firelord with no problems (while tired) and he has only gotten better since then:
Surfer is a cosmic battery, sure ... but Quasar has an entire universe of energy to draw on... he has no limits on how much he can absorb simply because it doesn't get stored in his body, the Quantum bands shunt it into the quantum universe/dimension... surfer, on the other hand, can be overloaded.
Quasar succeeds where Surfer fails:
Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Does more adaptive Quantam Bands really mean more powerful?
Not necessarily ... but they have much more options and are equally powerful when it comes to energy discharges (but I don't think Q can manipulate matter .... which doesn't really matter in this tourney)
I knew it would be an uphill struggle arguing against the Surfer from the start just because of the way people on KMC view him ... there are so many threads like "Surfer Vs The Entire Justice League" or "Surfer Vs DC Earth".
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A problem with a lot of those threads are that they are argued on by reputation only... I doubt half the participants have read anything featuring Surfer outside the Infinity Gauntlet stories.
And even less people seem to have a decent working knowledge of Quasar (which is why I have to post all the scans).
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I just hope this entire tourney isn't pre-decided just because someone got to the Herald draft thread first and got Surfer before the next person could.
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Nah, scans show alot, but in something like this it really doesn't come down to that, at least to me anyway. Its character potential and how well you can work that potential to your favor, which Quasar and SS have alot of potential and often arn't written that way.
So far it seems to be a pretty even fight, Im just having a hell of a time following some of the posts and debates.
I don´t have scans only the ones i can find in KMC, i don´t have the comic when sue portects against psy lord, and don´t know the number because in here its more difficult to get some comics.
you are proving sue can´t protect of TP in one scan, a scan where she is separating thing from wolverine, she´s not prepared to fight a telepath, really in a comic fight no way sue gets beaten by psylocke. And i proved that she stopped a mental attack with her shield, it was TK but a mental attack jean couldn´t use it inside sue´s shield. Still psylocke can´t put her uselless trough TP its only allowed a degree of TP attack, sue would still be able to knock her out. She can´t pur a shield inside her head, but she can put it outside, i would like to see psylock trying to use TP at the same time she is having problems with breathing
you are basing your victory in psylocke TP, but surfer can destroy her easily.
Or spawn can simply teleport besides psylocke and kill her, magic attacks can affect quasar shields.
And if this doen´s work then i have to do something i didn´t want, i have to sacrifice nightcrawler, he would teleport into psylocke´s body, if you don´t have telepathic attacs, your team goes down fast.
and don´t say quasar can beat surfer based in information that you don´t have, you cannot prove that, you are just saying most people thinks he would win and are wrong, no they aren´t, we don´t have a real fight between them, surfer has the same or more impressive feats then quasar. you are saying he´s underrated, no sue storm is the one underrated here.
ANd we can´t use matter manipulation in the characters to turn them in something else, it doens´t mean surfer can´t use his matter manipulation powers in the scenario.
Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
which Quasar and SS have alot of potential and often arn't written that way.
exactly,
but in here its surfer not holding back, we all know that if he gives everything in a fight he is one of the best, see his fight against morg.
Not to mention the abbility he has to seek the weak points of adversaries, he has done so many times, example: in annihialation (before the upgrade) when he beats ravenous and his boys.
Originally posted by Tony Stark
Let's be honest Sue can create different strength, sized, thicknesses, and shaped force fields. Just because "MAYBE" per that writer the TP got through that particular field...whose to say that Sue was using a real strong or thick version of it. I know that I've seen Sue block TP and TK in many occasions with her fields.At this point and time my vote is for Loot... The SS and Spawn and Sue grouping is too tough for scoobs team IMO.
Assuming much aren't we? Honest? Do you have a scan or issue number of her blocking telepathy? I have yet to this...even when KMC had this Sue/TP epidemic going on...no one could prove that she could. That scan clearly shows her encased in a bubble and being effected by telepathy.
BTW Telepathy and Telekinesis do not work by the same concept...especially since it works over light years(Lilandra and X still communicate via telepathy) and is inter dimensional.(Jean and Mikhails people)
My vote still stands..
Originally posted by Loot
sue would still be able to knock her out. She can´t pur a shield inside her head, but she can put it outside, i would like to see psylock trying to use TP at the same time she is having problems with breathing
Sue needs to know were someone is to use a field, she does not know where Psylocke is in this battle.
Originally posted by Loot
you are basing your victory in psylocke TP
No, I'm not, I'm only using TP to confuse/restrain Sue (at the moment) via telepathic "bolts" and illusions.
Originally posted by Loot
And if this doen´s work then i have to do something i didn´t want, i have to sacrifice nightcrawler, he would teleport into psylocke´s body
Illegal move, One hit kills like that are banned (Which you knew when you posted that Sue can't create fields inside of heads)
Originally posted by Loot
and don´t say quasar can beat surfer based in information that you don´t have, you cannot prove that
I didn't say I "proved" it, I just said they fought before with no prep and Surfer never managed to beat Quasar.
I'm debating that, with prep, Quasar creates a much more formidable protective armour and makes it far, far harder for the Surfer than it ever could have been before in any comic.
Which means that Quasar doesn't need to worry much about defence during the actual fight and can focus most of his energy on taking Surfer down.
Originally posted by Loot
you are just saying most people thinks he would win and are wrong
I'm saying that a lot of people are predicting a Surfer win solely based on his KMC reputation (which is over rated and under researched)
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Originally posted by Loot
in here its surfer not holding back, we all know that if he gives everything in a fight he is one of the best, see his fight against morg.
That fight I posted was also of Surfer "not holding back" ... and it still didn't get him a win against an unprepared Quasar.
Originally posted by ScooblessIllegal move, One hit kills like that are banned (Which you knew when you posted that Sue can't create fields inside of heads)
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its not illegal because my character dies too, if i blast someone in the heart he will die with one hit is that ilegal? i´m not ripping her head with nightcrawlers power, i´m scacrificing the live of one of my teammates to kill another one of your team.
I´ve been trying to find some scans of surfer found him beating ronan:
http://www.silver-surfer.us/Original_Art/Original_Art_Gallery/ss_25_page_29.jpg
healing (quasar can´t heal anyone)
http://www.silver-surfer.us/Original_Art/Original_Art_Gallery/cpu4-31_h66pony.jpg
ways that he can use his molecular powers int his fight:
phasing
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5397090
and in battlefield:
i know your shields will be stronger, but normal quasar shield doens´t seem to do much to surfer:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosmicPowersUnlimited05-10.jpg
it will take more time but he can take this fight
If invisible woman can´t use her force fields to protect my team, surf will do it, can you beat them now?
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_26.jpg
if you need proves that surfer has telepathy:
Telepathic skills
Access telepathically the memories of a living ship
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/.../MCP-069-32.jpg
Resists a Telepathic bolt form Moondragon (Infinity crusade #3)
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...rusade03-34.jpg
Talks to Nova across the Universe
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...teado/SS_14.jpg
Read the thoughts of an old woman and make holograms of it
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...r_v3_134p15.jpg
i don´t know if its allowed for surfer to heal his team members, probably not
Healing
Heals Thor
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...s_v2_012_38.jpg
Heals Alicia Masters
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...vourer6-36a.jpg
gets attacked by a intergalactic force and doens´t seems concerned at all
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...sters_2_009.jpg
More ways of using his rearraging molecules power that are allowed by the rules:
Changing matter to energy
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/...erenergy3gb.jpg
Resizes Metropolis
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...1997_001_45.jpg
Silver Surfer Phasing again
http://marvelite.prohosting.com/sur...ssue1/gal5s.jpg
Tells the Thing that he can see past, present and Future (in the prep time he could see the future to see how he copuld win the fight lolol, sorry i couldn´t resist)
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...r_v3_138_06.jpg
Sorry to all for the multiple posts, i´m not at home and i´m having problems with this computer, and some doubts about the correct way of doing this, once again sorry for the inconvinient.
Originally posted by Loot
i´ve just remembered, that silver surfer can fight against quasar and send his surfboard to help his team mates, some hits of the board in psylocke and she gets konocked out 🙂
Surfer without board = sitting target ... very bad move.
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Originally posted by Loot
I´ve been trying to find some scans of surfer found him beating ronan:
http://www.silver-surfer.us/Original_Art/Original_Art_Gallery/ss_25_page_29.jpghealing (quasar can´t heal anyone)
http://www.silver-surfer.us/Original_Art/Original_Art_Gallery/cpu4-31_h66pony.jpg
ways that he can use his molecular powers int his fight:
phasing
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5397090
Ronan is so far below Herald level that that "feat" means nothing.
He wont have time to heal anyone as Quasar will be kicking the crap out of him
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That isn't phasing, he's rearranging the molecules in front of him to let him through.
Originally posted by Loot
If invisible woman can´t use her force fields to protect my team, surf will do it, can you beat them now?http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_26.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/.../MCP-069-32.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...rusade03-34.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...teado/SS_14.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...r_v3_134p15.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...s_v2_012_38.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...vourer6-36a.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...sters_2_009.jpg
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/...erenergy3gb.jpg
Most of your scans aren't working (mainly the Photobucket ones)
Surfer wont be holding shields over anyone when he's fighting someone himself... his fields require his constant energy input to stay up ... unlike Quasar's.
Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
I've figured out whats making this so hard to judge, its a feat war now, or so it seems.
I used a few scans at the start in order to illistrate that Quasar would be doing much better than he has in the past.
All these healing/matter manip scans have nothing to do with anything though.
