Savage Hulk w/ Power Gem vs Juggernauts Durability

Would this be able to beat down Juggernauts Durability? I even extend this to 8th Day Juggernaut. I figure, that the Power Gem being cosmic and all might be able to do the trick. Let me set up the scenario.

Juggernaut grabs Betty and says "I'm, Unstoppable!". Banner turns into Savage Hulk and takes hold of the Power Gem that was given to him. Juggernaut stands there wincing because he can't be moved (or so he thinks). Savage Hulk w/ Power Gem throws a punch similar to that which destroyed Abominations head at Juggernaut. Does he move?

So...how would this turn out? If you think he would move Juggernaut, what about 8th Day Juggernaut. If you think he can't, then why not if its power cosmic?

No, Juggernaut is not moved or hurt.

Originally posted by supervenom
Would this be able to beat down Juggernauts Durability? I even extend this to 8th Day Juggernaut. I figure, that the Power Gem being cosmic and all might be able to do the trick. Let me set up the scenario.

Juggernaut grabs Betty and says "I'm, Unstoppable!". Banner turns into Savage Hulk and takes hold of the Power Gem that was given to him. Juggernaut stands there wincing because he can't be moved (or so he thinks). Savage Hulk w/ Power Gem throws a punch similar to that which destroyed Abominations head at Juggernaut. Does he move?

So...how would this turn out? If you think he would move Juggernaut, what about 8th Day Juggernaut. If you think he can't, then why not if its power cosmic?

I think you misinterpret juggernaut's powers a little. It's not that he can't be moved i.e. Blob, it's that he can't be stopped from moving forward once he begins. Juggernaut has high durability but can certainly be cut or injured by magical or cosmic items of sufficient power.

The power gem grants not just unlimited strength but IIRC the ability to duplicate abilities, energy projection, and a whole host of other things. Champion has smashed a planet with his fists while using it- Juggernaut won't be doing so well if hulk does the smart thing and hits him from behind and knocks him into space/the sun/etc, killing him.

War Hulk got the upper hand over jugs, IIRC- Hulk with power gem >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> War Hulk.

Hulk with Gem 10/10 here.

I agree. Onslaught sent Juggernaut flying. Hulk w/ Power Gem is overkill. No way does the Cytorrak Ruby trump an Infinity Gem.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I agree. Onslaught sent Juggernaut flying. Hulk w/ Power Gem is overkill. No way does the Cytorrak Ruby trump an Infinity Gem.

nope.

The powet gem is more powerful then Cyttorak himself.

Originally posted by King Kandy
nope.

The powet gem is more powerful then Cyttorak himself.

It depends on whose using it and if they can actually tap into the power of gem.

Not everyone who using the power gem automatically gets to use the full power of it.

The only people who've used the gem at the full potential is Thanos and Warlock.

The power gem may (and that's a big "may"😉give Savage Hulk extra durability and some extra-"umpfh", but there's no way the Hulk is going to even begin to tap into the power gem when he's never even used it in the History of Marvel Comics.

Any one can use the power gem at a subconscious level...

Originally posted by King Kandy
Any one can use the power gem at a subconscious level...

Drax never did, and neither did Champion. That's just what people thought was happening, but was never confirmed.

The only person to master it was Thanos. Savage Hulk wouldn't be able to do shit with it.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Any one can use the power gem at a subconscious level...

I think the real debate here is that if Hulk could actually tap into enough power from the gem to overwhelm cytorakk's enchantment.

With that in mind there's a difference between subconsciously and consciously using the gem. It all depends on the mental ability of the user. Anyone who possesses the gem may get an added boost in strength and power but if they don't consciously tap into the gem, you won't be able to use the full power of the gem.

A savage hulk isn't the smartest hulk and more than likely he's the worst candidate to use the gem. He doesn't have the mental capacity to use the gem properly or correctly.

Yup. The savage hulk is, pretty well, retarded.

He'd probably look at it, exclaim "ohh, pretty gem" and be calmed enough to revert to Banner before he'd EVER get a chance to utilize the power.

So, this is pretty much either Banner with the power gem, OR Savage Hulk versus the Juggernaut.

And Juggernaut can beat either of them.

This is silly. Dakota Fanning with the power gem could take Juggernaut. 😖hifty:

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
This is silly. Dakota Fanning with the power gem could take Juggernaut. 😖hifty:

That is freaking great. I love it

"and whoever touched the gem would become cyttoraks agent on earth. HE WOULD BE GRANTED IMMEASURABLE SUPERHUMAN STRENGTH AND INVULNERABILITY. HE WOULD BE UNSTOPPABLE. he would become A Juggernaut."

this is the latest (i do mean the latest) narration to describe juggernaut. a true juggernaut. not the half ass Mother F***er appearing in comics as of late.

so who really has the edge in strength??? i'd say the power gem doesnt exactly trump the ruby/gem of cyttorak either...

This isn't about Hulk being able to use the Gem properly, it's a hypothetical case in which he IS using it properly, and hitting Juggernaut with said punch.

Originally posted by MightyEInherjar
This isn't about Hulk being able to use the Gem properly, it's a hypothetical case in which he IS using it properly, and hitting Juggernaut with said punch.

Let's see what "this" is really about.

Originally posted by supervenom
Banner turns into Savage Hulk and takes hold of the Power Gem that was given to him.

Supervenom doesn't specify Hulk using the Power Gem "properly" as you put it. The Hulk just grabs the gem and throws a punch.

And besides that...

The idea of the power gem being used at 100% and together with the "Savage" Hulk are incompatible. You can't have a child-like brain wielding an intricate tool like the power gem. It doesn't matter if it's a hypothetical situation or not.

You actually need to be intelligent to wield the gem at full power. And we're talking Thanos level intelligence. So it's not happening.

Originally posted by MightyEInherjar
This isn't about Hulk being able to use the Gem properly, it's a hypothetical case in which he IS using it properly, and hitting Juggernaut with said punch.

even if so i dont believe it able to stop a fully powered juggernaut. nor do i think it would hurt him. please read above post for reasons.

Originally posted by Space M ummy

The power gem grants not just unlimited strength but IIRC the ability to duplicate abilities, energy projection, and a whole host of other things. Champion has smashed a planet with his fists while using it- Juggernaut won't be doing so well if hulk does the smart thing and hits him from behind and knocks him into space/the sun/etc, killing him.

War Hulk got the upper hand over jugs, IIRC- Hulk with power gem >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> War Hulk.

Hulk with Gem 10/10 here.

Well the War Hulk thing is up for speculation I think (I know the pushing part is for sure)?

Also, Champion wasn't able to beat Thanos' shield during the Quest, correct? Wasn't that all Tech that was used there (the punch on Thanos)?

Originally posted by KillAll
"and whoever touched the gem would become cyttoraks agent on earth. [B]HE WOULD BE GRANTED IMMEASURABLE SUPERHUMAN STRENGTH AND INVULNERABILITY. HE WOULD BE UNSTOPPABLE. he would become A Juggernaut."

this is the latest (i do mean the latest) narration to describe juggernaut. a true juggernaut. not the half ass Mother F***er appearing in comics as of late.

so who really has the edge in strength??? i'd say the power gem doesnt exactly trump the ruby/gem of cyttorak either... [/B]

Also The Hulk has been described with "Unlimited Strength" correct? Reason I state this is because I think you addressed that Hulk and Juggernaut may be equal in strength, or perhaps Juggernaut may have the edge? I'm just assuming, not trying to call you out or anything.

Hulk is to stupid to use the gem.

Hulk in his savage version alone can dance with Juggy any day of the week, Cyttorak my ass. Hulk freaks on him. If I remember correctly, War Hulk brutalized Juggy.