Rock Howard & Terry Bogard Vs Ryo Sakazaki & Marco Rodriguez

Originally posted by brainchild81
I'll admit that you have consistency. consistency's only good if you're consistently right though. I still feel that Ryo was lucky to fight Ryu in that state. That's my opinion. You said that fight between a non focused Ryu & not trying hard Ryo PROVES they were in the same tier at normal levels. That's just plain crazy broseph 😆 You've yet to quote me saying they looked about the same level(Please do. I'd like to see it). Even if I did(was I drunk?🙂), it still wouldn't matter. It would just mean not trying Ryo's equal to not focused Ryu. Big deal. Try harder man.🙂 You still 1st neglected to mention that Ryu wasn't focused. Right?

Originally posted by brainchild81
We're talking about AFTER Iori showed up aren't we? What sense does it make to talk about stuff he did before the person you're comparing him to showed up? Who's done more and gone farther in KOF since Iori's been there, Iori or nut @ss Ryo? Give me the honest answer please

Not that you are totally wrong, to your credit. I concead perfectly that he has *more* competition nowadays. But the one he had before was fierce as well, and akin to the one Terry had. And in the end the winning record speaks for itself.

Originally posted by brainchild81
You're insulting Iori(& doing a poor job of it🙂), not me. But since you've brought up Shingo, has he been involved in the finals more than Ryo? We already know Iori has. Like I said, insult Iori all you like. You still won't make lame-o look any better playa potna broseph mane homie🙂

Originally posted by Sado22
heh, if you mess with olympian then prepare for a "master and student double haoshikoken" mane!😠 you don't stand a chance against Mr. KMC and his faithful disciple.
Ora ora!

lol, knowing you though you'd probably get a striker attacks from emperor, trickster and darkstorm against me and olympian. 4 on two. not fair...even if its god tiers like me and olympian🙂

it started off with jabbing and then finished with us almost castrating each other. be careful🙂
that whole thing was funny though. we both were accusing the other of taking it too seriously...at the end of the we figured that BOTH of us got the wrong impression. weird.

True enough i dont think it will come to the point of almost "castrating each other", between me and Brainy (that is so..Greek). We just happen to sarcastic deal with opposite sides of the ring. He hates a character that happens to be my SNK fav, together with Terry and the rest of the Sakazaki clan.

And let them unleash the top tiers they want. God tier can take it! We arent Ignitz, after all.

Originally posted by olympian
No. I said that between one guy who lacked the confidence and another who was dissapointed by that very reason, they seemed equalish. Purely because Ryo knowing that his opponent wasent at his best, went at it easy. So far its the only match between the two, so until they have a real match they look about in the same tier.

You said

Originally posted by olympian
2If that was canon it would only mean they are in the same tier under that story. Not that you would agree with that either.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Because it’s false. Who’s to say that if Ryu was focused that he wouldn’t have flat out FUBARED Ryo. Truth is, the ONLY thing that shows for a fact is that Ryo can beat a non-focused Ryu. Them being on the same tier can’t be proven or disproven from that fight. You assume they’re in the same tier because you want them to be, not because the fight says so. They could be, but we don’t know(&I doubt it). Still glad the fight wasn’t as you originally made it sound & many thanx for the scans. Got any more from that series?

Originally posted by olympian
Honestly? You are talking about the post appearances Iori. I on the other hand asked when did he won a Kof tournment 😉

Originally posted by olympian
Im a honorable sensei, Brainy. I may insult the character but not the lover of the character.

Originally posted by olympian

And ok. I wont insult you no more.

Originally posted by olympian
And Shingo is still a bad comparation? Ok. Bao, then.

Originally posted by olympian
True enough i dont think it will come to the point of almost "castrating each other", between me and Brainy (that is so..Greek). We just happen to sarcastic deal with opposite sides of the ring. He hates a character that happens to be my SNK fav, together with Terry and the rest of the Sakazaki clan.

Originally posted by Sado22
and this is of Alba and Ryo facing up.
notice that they already sort of foreshadow how Alba and Terry will face in the finals and are also on a collision course.

~Sado

Originally posted by brainchild81

w/real fighters like Iori & Kyo,

There not even fighters, let alone real ones. Just dudes with fire powers.

You know what's sad, kensou and boa have more impact on kof then Ryo & Terry.

People, Kyo and Iori are not only fighters but SNK's finest, just as Terry is. But it is sad that Terry has lost the importance he once had in the 1st few KOFs and the FFs. The fact is Terry has just become another guy who fights well might I add. But I've come to realize that kOF isn't his game, he aint the star, It's Kyo's turn or at least it was. He's what Ryu is in the MVCs, another guy who fights well but isn't that important. Hell, Terry got more respect in CVS than in most KOFs.

Originally posted by Remulous
People, Kyo and Iori are not only fighters but SNK's finest, just as Terry is. But it is sad that Terry has lost the importance he once had in the 1st few KOFs and the FFs. The fact is Terry has just become another guy who fights well might I add. But I've come to realize that kOF isn't his game, he aint the star, It's Kyo's turn or at least it was. He's what Ryu is in the MVCs, another guy who fights well but isn't that important. Hell, Terry got more respect in CVS than in most KOFs.

MVC has no plot, and ryu was at the forefront of the first few crossovers I.E. X-men Vs Street Fighter. Kyo and Iori aren't fighters, just guys with flame powers.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
MVC has no plot, and ryu was at the forefront of the first few crossovers I.E. X-men Vs Street Fighter. Kyo and Iori aren't fighters, just guys with flame powers.

Knowing powerful martial arts and winning KOFs doesn't make you fighter? What are your qualifications for your version of a fighter. Terry doesn't seem that much differen't.

Good post Remu. Iori & Kyo are real fighters. Saying they're not is not only downrating them, but also anybody who fought them & didn't kick their asses. You're basically saying Terry stalemates w/a kid w/a book of matches & no fighting skills. I guess Dan could give Terry a hard time if he carried a torch around? Iori rips through flesh w/his fingers & in most art he has short fingernails. Don't get it twisted Emp, Iori & Kyo are fighters who also have flame powers.

Originally posted by Remulous
MVC has a plot, it just wasn't deep, it was simple and made since, sorta. Yeah Ryu was important in the 1st few but he too faded into the shadows, like Terry.

MVC doesn't have a plot, I searched high and low for signs of one and It doesn't have one.MVC doesn't even have a star, c'mon.

Originally posted by Remulous

Knowing powerful martial arts and winning KOFs doesn't make you fighter? What are your qualifications for your version of a fighter. Terry doesn't seem that much differen't.

Experience, skill, hard work, and all the other cliche bits that matter. Iori and kyo are just dudes with fire powers.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Good post Remu. Iori & Kyo are real fighters. Saying they're not is not only downrating them, but also anybody who fought them & didn't kick their asses. You're basically saying Terry stalemates w/a kid w/a book of matches & no fighting skills. I guess Dan could give Terry a hard time if he carried a torch around? Iori rips through flesh w/his fingers & in most art he has short fingernails. Don't get it twisted Emp, Iori & Kyo are fighters who also have flame powers.

Your contradicting yourself, you admitted that snk pulls off that Hero Always wins crap, and now your using their inconsistent feats as evidence? Brainchild, I think you have it twisted. Kyo & Iori aren't fighters, just walking plot devices. Their writers must be taken advice from superman writers.

How is not losing to Terry an inconsistent feat? That's what I brought up. You been drinking mane? Hero does always win in SNK, unless they're fighting Terry. Then they just stalemate. Please people, don't bring up Supes here anymore.

Originally posted by brainchild81
How is not losing to Terry an inconsistent feat? That's what I brought up. You been drinking mane? Hero does always win in SNK, unless they're fighting Terry. Then they just stalemate. Please people, don't bring up Supes here anymore.

It's inconsistent, because terry is a beast. Plain and simple, terry should be able to be most of kof's hero's if not all, because they suck in terms of fighting skill. Only person that could be a match as much as hate to say it is Ryo in his original timeline. It's not farfetched to say that it's the flames that put these lame-O's where they are.K'prime is a good example, he has no fighting skill. His fighitng style is Pure Violence, wtf is that mane, lol. And he's a high rank fighter, I bring up superman because kof writers most collabarate with his writers.

Now we're getting to the bottom of this. Now Terry should kick everybody's @ss 'cause everybody sux in terms of fighting skill. Seems to be based on nothing but speculation and pissed off Terry fan rage. I've seen black belts get their asses kicked by brawlers. So what are you talking about? Fighting ain't never been about what you know. It's about how good you are @ applying it.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Now we're getting to the bottom of this. Now Terry should kick everybody's @ss 'cause everybody sux in terms of fighting skill. Seems to be based on nothing but speculation and pissed off Terry fan rage. I've seen black belts get their asses kicked by brawlers. So what are you talking about?

😆 Brainchild, are you aware that many schools/gyms out there in the real world are nothing more than mcdojo's? Do you know how many blackbelts out there have not even been in a real street fight and let alone do full contact sparring and claim to be experts?

Yeah, terry should beat everybodie ass because he's a better fighter, I dunno what so hard about that.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Nyou talking about? Fighting ain't never been about what you know. It's about how good you are @ applying it.

If you don't know jack, what are you going to apply?

So now Iori & Kyo don't know jack? What makes you so sure Terry's a better fighter than them? You didn't answer my question. Nobody ever jobbed to Terry?

Originally posted by brainchild81
So now Iori & Kyo don't know jack? What makes you so sure Terry's a better fighter than them? You didn't answer my question. Nobody ever jobbed to Terry?

Geese jobbed to terry, but that's not nearly as bad as what happned in the nest and you know it.

And what makes me so sure, the fact that they don't even bother to touch any of Kyo&Iori's training habits in the ten years they've been doing winning, or the fact tey rely on so many plot devices (Because if there basic skills were enough, why the plot devices?), or the fact they've reduced the bosses to jobbers of epic paportions (Bosses losing while working in teams) is more than enough. You can't prove a negative brainchild, unless kyo and Iori take part in some hardcore training regiment that kof writers haven't mentioned in those two's ten year career span,lol.

They have talked of both of them training though especially Iori. Read up on him. Going to bed.

Originally posted by brainchild81
They have talked of both of them training though especially Iori. Read up on him. Going to bed.

That's not what I asked though, Yuri, trains as well, should she be on terry's level. I asked do they train or work as hard as terry?

Originally posted by Remulous
People, Kyo and Iori are not only fighters but SNK's finest, just as Terry is. But it is sad that Terry has lost the importance he once had in the 1st few KOFs and the FFs. The fact is Terry has just become another guy who fights well might I add. But I've come to realize that kOF isn't his game, he aint the star, It's Kyo's turn or at least it was. He's what Ryu is in the MVCs, another guy who fights well but isn't that important. Hell, Terry got more respect in CVS than in most KOFs.

(Sighs)...thats what I have also felt being a Terry fan. Alot of people seem to forget where "KOF" really originated from. In my opinion I honestly think KOF has ruined the good name of Terry Bogard.

As Sado pointed out, Terry is not the hero of KOF so he does not win. You are also right that KOF is not his game....which is why more FF games should be made as well as MOTW's 2. It would be nice to see Terry,Andy,Joe,Mary,Kim,Yamazaki,Rock,Grant etc have a story focused around them again and they can have importance.

All SNKP wants to do now is KOF after KOF and constantly have the spotlight on Kyo,Iori and the folks that have to do with Orochi(Mainly) and Nests...not cool at all in my opinion.

Lastly I don't think Capcom would ever do that to Ryu the way SNKP has done to Terry.

First of all, Brain.
dude, you can download the intro i'm talking about from gamespot.com. you'll need to sign up though. that is the only place i know that has it. aside from that...meh, don't know.
secondly, pertaining to the semis, well the thing is every time SNK showed two guy sizing each other up before a fight in the intro it always went up to either being a final or the semi final. think:
kyo vs Iori 96=fought in the semis
kyo vs iori95=fought either in semi or finals (though iori dropped out)
andy vs terry (promo vid)= FF semis
ryo vs robert (promo vid)= AoF2 semis
you get the picture?

And let them unleash the top tiers they want. God tier can take it! We arent Ignitz, after all

~Sado