Rock Howard & Terry Bogard Vs Ryo Sakazaki & Marco Rodriguez

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Post exactly what it says, nowhere does it mention any plot whatsoever. Except mention onsluahgt attacking and heroes uniting. and which is it, Gamepro or Game Informer, and what issue number.

MVC 2= IDK! It's like the only 1 with MVC 2 on the cover! How in the hell am I gonna remember somthing so trvial from so long ago with such detail?

Originally posted by Remulous
MVC= As Professor Charles Xavier calls out for heroes to stop him before he merges with the consciousness of Magneto and becomes the being known as Onslaught, the final boss. In the meantime, M. Bison is planning to absorb the power of Onslaught for himself.

Originally posted by Remulous

MVC 2= IDK! It's like the only 1 with MVC 2 on the cover! How in the hell am I gonna remember somthing so trvial from so long ago with such detail?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Sorry, But, I don't belive you.
1.Bison is not even in the game, with the exception of one ending.
2.I had the game, there was never any mention of bison wanting to absorb onslaught at all in the game.
3.I don't see any mention of that in any source online.

Not my problem, I find it hard to belive that there is no mention of any source what so ever. Not even tiamats FAQ.

You have your right not to believe seeings how I don't have absolute proof but when you see what I'm talking about someday, you'll remember who told you. Tiamat isn't 100% I rely ony on what is stated by Capcom employes.

Originally posted by Remulous
Dude, it's all friggen their, he's the reason behind the shadow characters.

You have your right not to believe seeings how I don't have absolute proof but when you see what I'm talking about someday, you'll remember who told you. Tiamat isn't 100% I rely ony on what is stated by Capcom employes.

So, your friends with capcom employees, and where do you confirm there facts? I never said he's 100% right don't put words in my mouth, I said he's plot guide is the best when it comes to discussing the plot of capcom fighting games.

Let's say what your talling me about bison is true, what's the epilogue and where are the shadow characters in the MVC2?

The first part about onslaught is sorta true,I remeber that. But, bison wanting to absorb is not.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
That's not what I asked though, Yuri, trains as well, should she be on terry's level. I asked do they train or work as hard as terry?

Originally posted by brainchild81
When I said read up on Iori you must have missed it. Here's the Iori wiki once again. It speaks of him training near the point of unconciousness. The dude trains so hard he damn near passed the f**k out. That enough for you? Maybe he does train harder than Terry.

Wikipedia man, and you just gave me one instance versus terry's ten years experience of fighting in southtown.And now he somehow trains harder then terry, because of one example from a shitty source, c'mon brainchild.

Originally posted by brainchild81

He can put his fingers through people & I've never heard of Terry training to the point of rendering himself KOed.

-Who cares if he can put his fingers through people, when has that or any of his stats ever played a solid role in his fights?

-I never heard of akuma almost passing out from training, I guess that makes Iori a harder worker 🙄

Originally posted by brainchild81

Most of your Iori hate stems from a lack of knowledge about him. You are the same guy who thought Billy Kane was more powerful than Iori 😆. It's good to have @ least have some knowledge on a guy before you start hatin' on him.

I Dislike his impact on the plot, I play with Iori so I don't hate him. I just think it's bullshit that people claim he's so strong when the writers clearly ignore stats for stupid plot devices. When has terry used plot devices in his boss fights versus Iori's: Justice Flame, Orochi Iori, and whatever Snk decides to give him?

Originally posted by brainchild81

Read the Kyo wiki too. He trained pretty hard after Goenitz(gonuts) owned him. I seriously doubt he trains as hard as or harder than Terry, but that's not a good reason to sleep on his obvious skill. Neither Kyo or Iori suck. Overexposed, maybe. Overrated? Hell no, especially not Iori & whether or not you think he's main character material doesn't matter to his legions of fans who've made him more popular than even the guy YOU think should own everybody. I am glad to see that I'm not the only one who thinks Geese jobbed though.

So, if kyo doesn't train as hard as terry what puts him on par with him?

Fact is Kyo & Iori own bosses for free with retarded plot devices and dumbass implications that kof writers compose out there asses.Everything from their teams, to their attacks, etc are plot devices.They have no legitamate feats involving their stats. Maybe you like debating with mircale feats brainy, but I don't. Terry's timeline doesn't even make sense in garou.

As for jobbing geese, I only said that because I felt that terry had it too easy. I also think krauser should have owned terry at first, but it's not like terry lacks the stats to pull it off.

Emperor, the part of Iori training to unconsciousness is true. its even on his canon profile. Iori does train and training to point of unconsciousness probably means he trains harder than even Ryu. Gouki's another story cuz he's a freak so there is your answer. as i told you in the other thread, terry goes and fights on the streets. he doesn't need to train since he is always fighting and so always retains that "eye of the tiger"🙂
Kyo, i would give him credit for reinventing himself twice (96 and 99) but him officially known to be a lazy bum and slacker makes me skeptical to theories of him being a hard trainer. i pity this foo! pity this foo! 😆

Brain, emperor is right in claiming how sNK ignore a fighters hard earned toughness and shine and place a complacent slacker as the one who gets the attention. the only thing going for Kyo is flames. they magically happen to be the perfect antidote agaisnt Orochi power. they magically happen to be perfect against NESTS Ignitz. these are the dumbass plot devices that emperor is talking about. Terry didn't win agaisnt Geese cuz his burn knuckle was divine aid or something. he EARNED his victory there. he beat Geese not because he was given divine protection, not because it was his destiny and not because Geese felt a bug up his ass that told him to be job Terry. Terry won because he was the better fighter. he won because he had more heart. In fact, canonwise, Geese was schooling Terry THROUGHOUT BOTH their fights yet couldn't put him down for the count. SNK explained why this was because Terry had that unmatched heart that they claim he has but somehow always manage to ignore when Iori and his middlepart gay pal are around. in the end, Terry won cuz he lived for the fight a la Ryu. Geese lost cuz he never understood what it is about being a true fighter and why the hell did terry seem to enjoy the fight. terry won because of his persistence and courage and because he had a real fighitng spirit.

Kyo and Iori, though are tough and did work hard, beat Orochi because "it was their destiny" and "their flames were for that purpose". so if terry and ryo had those flames then they too would pwn Orochi. the thing is the bulk of credit for all the people Kyo and Iori beat goes to the fact that they have the "sacred flames" scorching the opponent's @$$. if you think about it, emperor really does have a point. flames, destiny and plot devices frequently out do character, experience, stamina and heart in SNK verse.

when its all said and done, Terry STILL has more heart then all of these guys (canon) and even with their divine flames they both have yet to beat Terry. yet somehow, they alwasy manage to wrestle the attention out of Terry's hands even though he was fighitng Orochi with them and his help was the much needed help agaisnt Ignitz. yet somehow the flamers got the credit. unfair.

Later guys.
~Sado
P.S. speaking of heart, courage, eye of the tiger and "foo"....either of you seen/gonna see Rocky Balboa? I want to get some first hand feedback before i go and watch it🙂

Well done Sado!(bows down)

Unfair ain't the word. More like higway robbery or travesty. Careful on the Terry having more heart deal....Brain does not like hearing that 😄

Originally posted by Sado22
Emperor, the part of Iori training to unconsciousness is true. its even on his canon profile. Iori does train and training to point of unconsciousness probably means he trains harder than even Ryu.

I hope your joking, Iori by no means trains as hard as ryu. One instance of Iori trainin doesn't magically fill a void in his training history.

Originally posted by Sado22

Gouki's another story cuz he's a freak so there is your answer. as i told you in the other thread, terry goes and fights on the streets. he doesn't need to train since he is always fighting and so always retains that "eye of the tiger"🙂

Originally posted by Sado22

Kyo, i would give him credit for reinventing himself twice (96 and 99) but him officially known to be a lazy bum and slacker makes me skeptical to theories of him being a hard trainer. i pity this foo! pity this foo! 😆

Originally posted by Sado22

Kyo and Iori, though are tough and did work hard, beat Orochi because "it was their destiny" and "their flames were for that purpose".

Originally posted by Sado22

so if terry and ryo had those flames

Originally posted by Sado22

Later guys.
~Sado
P.S. speaking of heart, courage, eye of the tiger and "foo"....either of you seen/gonna see Rocky Balboa? I want to get some first hand feedback before i go and watch it🙂

it's an unneccessary sequel.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Well done Sado!(bows down)

Unfair ain't the word. More like higway robbery or travesty. Careful on the Terry having more heart deal....Brain does not like hearing that 😄

Flames can't supplement heart, TERRY FANS UNITE!!

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Flames can't supplement heart, [B]TERRY FANS UNITE!! [/B]

💃 💃 💃 💃 HELL YEAH!....... 😂

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Geese jobbed to terry, but that's not nearly as bad as what happned in the nest and you know it.

And what makes me so sure, the fact that they don't even bother to touch any of Kyo&Iori's training habits in the ten years they've been doing winning, or the fact tey rely on so many plot devices (Because if there basic skills were enough, why the plot devices?)

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I [B]Dislike his impact on the plot, I play with Iori so I don't hate him. I just think it's bullshit that people claim he's so strong when the writers clearly ignore stats for stupid plot devices. When has terry used plot devices in his boss fights versus Iori's: Justice Flame, Orochi Iori, and whatever Snk decides to give him?[/B]

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
So, if kyo doesn't train as hard as terry what puts him on par with him?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Fact is Kyo & Iori own bosses for free with retarded plot devices and dumbass implications that kof writers compose out there asses.Everything from their teams, to their attacks, etc are plot devices.They have no legitamate feats involving their stats. Maybe you like debating with mircale feats brainy, but I don't. Terry's timeline doesn't even make sense in garou.?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
As for jobbing geese, I only said that because I felt that terry had it too easy. I also think krauser should have owned terry at first, but it's not like terry lacks the stats to pull it off.

Originally posted by Sado22
Emperor, the part of Iori training to unconsciousness is true. its even on his canon profile. Iori does train and training to point of unconsciousness probably means he trains harder than even Ryu. Gouki's another story cuz he's a freak so there is your answer. as i told you in the other thread, terry goes and fights on the streets. he doesn't need to train since he is always fighting and so always retains that "eye of the tiger"🙂
Kyo, i would give him credit for reinventing himself twice (96 and 99) but him officially known to be a lazy bum and slacker makes me skeptical to theories of him being a hard trainer. i pity this foo! pity this foo! 😆

Brain, emperor is right in claiming how sNK ignore a fighters hard earned toughness and shine and place a complacent slacker as the one who gets the attention. the only thing going for Kyo is flames. they magically happen to be the perfect antidote agaisnt Orochi power. they magically happen to be perfect against NESTS Ignitz. these are the dumbass plot devices that emperor is talking about. Terry didn't win agaisnt Geese cuz his burn knuckle was divine aid or something. he EARNED his victory there. he beat Geese not because he was given divine protection, not because it was his destiny and not because Geese felt a bug up his ass that told him to be job Terry. Terry won because he was the better fighter. he won because he had more heart. In fact, canonwise, Geese was schooling Terry THROUGHOUT BOTH their fights yet couldn't put him down for the count. SNK explained why this was because Terry had that unmatched heart that they claim he has but somehow always manage to ignore when Iori and his middlepart gay pal are around. in the end, Terry won cuz he lived for the fight a la Ryu. Geese lost cuz he never understood what it is about being a true fighter and why the hell did terry seem to enjoy the fight. terry won because of his persistence and courage and because he had a real fighitng spirit.

Kyo and Iori, though are tough and did work hard, beat Orochi because "it was their destiny" and "their flames were for that purpose". so if terry and ryo had those flames then they too would pwn Orochi. the thing is the bulk of credit for all the people Kyo and Iori beat goes to the fact that they have the "sacred flames" scorching the opponent's @$$. if you think about it, emperor really does have a point. flames, destiny and plot devices frequently out do character, experience, stamina and heart in SNK verse.

when its all said and done, Terry STILL has more heart then all of these guys (canon) and even with their divine flames they both have yet to beat Terry. yet somehow, they alwasy manage to wrestle the attention out of Terry's hands even though he was fighitng Orochi with them and his help was the much needed help agaisnt Ignitz. yet somehow the flamers got the credit. unfair.

Later guys.
~Sado
P.S. speaking of heart, courage, eye of the tiger and "foo"....either of you seen/gonna see Rocky Balboa? I want to get some first hand feedback before i go and watch it🙂

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Well done Sado!(bows down)

Unfair ain't the word. More like higway robbery or travesty. Careful on the Terry having more heart deal....Brain does not like hearing that 😄

Originally posted by brainchild81
Nah. Because NOBODY's basic skills are enough to defeat Orochi w/out the flames that he's weak to. Otherwise, why hasn't Terry beaten Orochi? Hell if he's so much better than these kids w/no skill and just flames why hasn't he just beat the sh*t outta them?

Because KOF's lack of writing ability, Iori and Kyo are placed in a tier higher than everyone for no reason except because they are the main characters. And why is orochi being brought up, he's a boss that was made for the purpose losing only to the flame users. He's a walking plot device that snk uses to venerate there main characters.

Originally posted by brainchild81

This recurring thing w/people losing because they underestimated Terry. That heart stuff everybody likes to bring up. How he gets to have help Vs 'Zaki in a singles KOF. & how weak that made his FF cast members look in comparison to Terry.

How is that worst than Kyo getting help from Iori in the finals when he's not even on his TEAM, or having a boss specifially made to lose to Kyo & Iori, Or the Igniz fiasco that that is just pure jobbing. I admitt, I wish snk made terry struggle more, bu there writers suck now. And again terry has a resume that makes it understandable Vs Kyo & Iori.

Originally posted by brainchild81

His training combined w/his natural talent. Honestly going by your own training & exp. = victory theory, shouldn't Ryo own Terry and shouldn't Takuma own everybody? F**k being a match for him, they got years of exp over Terry. Or does this only apply to characters you like a whole lot🙂? From now on I guess we only need to know a fighters age & years trained to know if they're going to win or not. No need to even fight anymore

Why are you being so pedantic just so you can elude my point? Just because they have the same or more experience, those that mean they've put in the same amount of effort? Ryo's timeline doesn't even make anysense, so, why bring him up?

And cut the BS,if natural talent and ambigous training was the reason why kyo & Iori are top tier then that whole fiasco with igniz would have had an explanation.Plus they get waaay more plot devices than terry, and you know it. I like how you used an example of Iori training to the point of collapse to make it seem he trains harder then Terry.

Originally posted by brainchild81

You never see me bring the Orochi fighting stuff up in the 1st place. Take all that stuff out and you still have a guy who beats teams by his gotdamn self. A guy who beats his teammates up like it's nothing. Where are all these legitimate feats of Terry's?
Didn't Geese have more exp though. Doesn't that automatically mean victory?

-Terrys feats haven't been upgraded for almost half a decade now, KOF has bad writers like I said.
-Again, I admitted that he jobbed geese, but he still had the ability to beat him .Just because Geese is older, doesn't mean he has more experience than terry. we know terry is a street brawler and spent 10 years fighting in the streets of southtown. We don't know about geese, except he trains and is old.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Because KOF's lack of writing ability, Iori and Kyo are placed in a tier higher than everyone for no reason except because they are the main characters. And why is orochi being brought up, he's a boss that was made for the purpose losing only to the flame users. He's a walking plot device that snk uses to venerate there main characters.

How is that worst than Kyo getting help from Iori in the finals when he's not even on his [B]TEAM, or having a boss specifially made to lose to Kyo & Iori, Or the Igniz fiasco that that is just pure jobbing. I admitt, I wish snk made terry struggle more, bu there writers suck now. And again terry has a resume that makes it understandable Vs Kyo & Iori.[/B]

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Why are you being so pedantic just so you can elude my point? Just because they have the same or more experience, those that mean they've put in the same amount of effort? Ryo's timeline doesn't even make anysense, so, why bring him up?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
And cut the BS,if natural talent and ambigous training was the reason why kyo & Iori are top tier then that whole fiasco with igniz would have had an explanation.Plus they get waaay more plot devices than terry, and you know it. I like how you used an example of Iori training to the point of collapse to make it seem he trains harder then Terry.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
-Terrys feats haven't been upgraded for almost half a decade now, KOF has bad writers like I said.
-Again, I admitted that he jobbed geese, but he still had the ability to beat him .Just because Geese is older, doesn't mean he has more experience than terry. we know terry is a street brawler and spent 10 years fighting in the streets of southtown. We don't know about geese, except he trains and is old.

Originally posted by brainchild81
They sucked when they were writing for Terry too. Notice how most of the FF cast are slot fillers. & that's when they're lucky enough to be included. It's worse because Terry wasn't supposed to even HAVE a team. It was a singles KOF. Needing help against Orochi isn't as bad as needing help against 'Zaki. Orochi >>Zaki & I've heard Terry still didn't beat him. Doing the same teamup stuff now w/Duke

Orochi is a walking plot device, please don't tell me your denying this. The fact that he's been made the strongest boss and can only be harmed by flames proves this.

How were they Slot Fillers, they lack development, but so does every none main character. And FF isn't all about terry, Kizuna Encounter & Soveriegn Reign are an extension of fatal fury with no terry, moot point. I can't say the same about kof excluding Kyo & Iori.

Maximum Impact isn't canon, why is it being brought?

Originally posted by brainchild81

Then this is all pointless. We don't know exactly how much effort Terry or Iori has put in either. How do you even measure this sh*t? These southtown guys aren't even mentioned by name. I'm not impressed by Terry whoopin on bums. This is all just you venting because your guy ain't getting all the glory no more. You want some cheese to go w/that whine mane?🙂

LOL, now your claiming that it can't be measured, christ brainchild. Quit being a fanboy, We know that terry has more experience then Iori & Kyo. As for who trains harder, it doesn't matter at this point because we know nothing about Kyo & Iori's training regiment

Originally posted by brainchild81

I like how you make that seem like a small feat but haven't said s*it to make it seem like Terry trains harder🙂

Originally posted by brainchild81

You've also not proven anything about Iori or Kyo not having skill, despite being trained as children in the MAs. Besides the plot device boss fights that we already knew about, you've proven none of these downrating comments about Iori or Kyo. You're spewing a lotta stuff you can't seem to prove. It's seems that Terry's only better 'cause you want him to be. You seem to be focusing on these boss fights. Focus on how they fare against Terry.

Wow, so despite having more experience, and more detailed training regiments. I'm not explaining why he's above them according to you?Brainchild, maybe your memory is short but, you were the one who claimed Iori is above terry without clear examples. I know terry has more experince because he's been street fighitn since a child, trains, and travels around the country fighting vs one instance of passing out and ambigous training.

Originally posted by brainchild81

The bosses job but somehow they can't whoop Terry? Kyo's gotten his @ss beat in his own series. Terry seems to be undefeated & whenever he goes up against a superior('zaki) he somehow has help to job for him. Iori & Kyo get plot devices but Terry did it 1st. I'm here to talk about the fighting ability, not the devices that come up when they're not enough

-Terry did it first, but Iori & kyo did it best. Zaki's example is nowhere near what happned in nest.

-You know zaki holds back and doesn't use his riot blood right?

I agree, terry should taste defeat, but his jobbing is nowhere as bad as kyo & Iori.
And as for fighting ability, you still haven't proved that kyo or Iori are on par with terry.

Originally posted by brainchild81

Contradiction. You don't job people you have the ability to beat. What would be the point? Either he can beat Geese or he jobbed him. You can't have both. Terry was an SNK main character, so he won like they always have.

Then he can beat geese. . . 🙂

Hah, its fun that now its Emp the one adressing those kind of points to Brainchild in these two threads. The Deadly alliance is getting weaker 👿

Now, on to more serious matters, i want to wish a great Christmas with alot of gaming. I know im doing my share.

Grasshoper, keep training. As for Rocky, ill watch it alrigth. From what ive seen its the finale that should had been done instead the V. Looks good indeed.

Ora Ora!

Hah, its fun that now its Emp the one adressing those kind of points to Brainchild in these two threads. The Deadly alliance is getting weaker

Now, on to more serious matters, i want to wish a great Christmas with alot of gaming. I know im doing my share.

Grasshoper, keep training. As for Rocky, ill watch it alrigth. From what ive seen its the finale that should had been done instead the V. Looks good indeed.

This recurring thing w/people losing because they underestimated Terry. That heart stuff everybody likes to bring up. How he gets to have help Vs 'Zaki in a singles KOF. & how weak that made his FF cast members look in comparison to Terry.

LAter brainy.
~Sado

Thanks sado, I was about to post that as well.

^^
heh, any time dude.🙂
oh and merry chirstmas. all of you.

~Sado