You don't see the energy behind the hammer? There's a big burst of it around the word balloon ("For I am their god!"😉 and it leads right towards the hammer.
With Thor's later comment that his father's power is greater than one thinks, I believe that's implying the use of the Odin power in denting the shield.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Could be, but the shield was probably accidently made before that as it was intended to be a tank hatch, I think, before it was Cap's shield.
Oh, OK, I could see it going down like that then. But I also was one of the people that always believed the shield was a vibranium/adamantium alloy.
A little off topic here but, I have wondered could Superman crack or even dent the shield? Since the only way its sapost to be harmed is by messing with its molecular strucher? I don't mean by vibrating his fist at superspeed either, just by a full powered punch from Kal-el.
Originally posted by Jonathanos
You don't see the energy behind the hammer? There's a big burst of it around the word balloon ("For I am their god!"😉 and it leads right towards the hammer.With Thor's later comment that his father's power is greater than one thinks, I believe that's implying the use of the Odin power in denting the shield.
i agree with the implication that the odin power WAS used. in the past, thor has never been able to affect the hammer. i recall a scene where cap had thor test his reformed shield (after the beyonder smashed it, i think . . .) and thor gave it all he had and couldn't even scratch the shield.
Ok.
Thor dented Cap's shield.
Thor cracked open Exitar's head with a hammer blow. You think Adamantium is going to do the same?
Thor threw his hammer threw the Destroyer with Desak inside it.
Times it got broke:
Destroyer in his first appearance cut it in half with his disintegrator beam.
When he used it against Exitar's dome piece so he could destroy his brain.
When it hit three other versions, of his hammer.
Wolverine's claw, when it got broke:
S'ym.
Compare them...
the desak and shield denting incident occurred while thor was backed by odin's power. they should be left out of any comparisons. they are at least questionable. fact is, WITHOUT the odin power, thor has never been shown to be able to affect the hammer. and while it's true thor broke exitar's dome, the godblast failed to do anything more than tickle juggernaut. jugg's shield>exitar . . .? sue storm has also shattered a celestials armor.
s'ym is a magical being (seeing a pattern here, btw . . .) and that's how that instance was explained, as far as i know.
Originally posted by leonidas
the desak and shield denting incident occurred while thor was backed by odin's power. they should be left out of any comparisons. they are at least questionable. fact is, WITHOUT the odin power, thor has never been shown to be able to affect the hammer. and while it's true thor broke exitar's dome, the godblast failed to do anything more than tickle juggernaut. jugg's shield>exitar . . .? sue storm has also shattered a celestials armor.s'ym is a magical being (seeing a pattern here, btw . . .) and that's how that instance was explained, as far as i know.
Originally posted by leonidasYes, it was with the Odin Power, but it was still the Uru that did the damage. Just little extra power. What that is saying, is that Thor is too weak to damage the Destroyer, but with a lot more power, he is able to rip through it.
the desak and shield denting incident occurred while thor was backed by odin's power. they should be left out of any comparisons. they are at least questionable. fact is, WITHOUT the odin power, thor has never been shown to be able to affect the hammer. and while it's true thor broke exitar's dome, the godblast failed to do anything more than tickle juggernaut. jugg's shield>exitar . . .? sue storm has also shattered a celestials armor.s'ym is a magical being (seeing a pattern here, btw . . .) and that's how that instance was explained, as far as i know.
The dome piece was more durible than his outside... don't ask.
Actually, Juggs got knocked back a couple feet. when Thor used his godblast. I think you are thinking of when Thor threw his hammer, and it bounced off Jugg's shield.
We already know that Juggs is pretty much invunerable.
Wasn't the Sue Storm incident, because that was Exitar's weakness, like Kryptonite is to Supes? Exitar isn't weak to Thor's hammer.
Not to mention, wasn't that pis, on Sue's part?
Gladiator then, in a future possiblity?
Originally posted by K3VIL
King Thor, so not RKT who fought Desak, is not backed up from the OF.
He could do SIMPLE tasks, like blasting, and matter rearranging feats, but he hadn't control over it.For him he was something to summon and still use in basic manners.He didn't need any charge up.The energy which surrounds Mjolnir in the issue is the same depicted like lightning in other issues, depending on the drawer.Thor did ever goes out full strength in Avengers issues?He could have ended Kang's war on his own if he wanted to.The shield dented and flying like 300 feet away is what you get when you piss off the Thunder God.
meh, COULD be. all's i'm saying is that the presence of the odin power makes things at least questionable. desak handed thor his ARSE before he became KT.
without the odin power the shield was impervious to thor. he becomes KT and suddenly he can dent it. coincedence . . .?
i'm not saying it's impossible to think thor alone could do it. mjollnir IS magical and thor IS uber. but even if it COULD dent it, that still doesn't mean uru harder than the shield -- just that it's magical enchantments allow for it to do some crazy-ass-sh!te!
Originally posted by bigbran
Yes, it was with the Odin Power, but it was still the Uru that did the damage. Just little extra power. What that is saying, is that Thor is too weak to damage the Destroyer, but with a lot more power, he is able to rip through it.
Could King Thor with an adamantium hammer destroy the Destroyer?
Same goes for Cap's shield.
like i just said -- even allowing for the possibility (which i again disagree with) that thor with the hammer is capable of denting the shield, that speaks more to the magical nature, imo, than the 'hardness' of the uru.
The dome piece was more durible than his outside... don't ask.
Actually, Juggs got knocked back a couple feet. when Thor used his godblast. I think you are thinking of when Thor threw his hammer, and it bounced off Jugg's shield.
nah, i meant the godblast incident. and while it DID back him up a step (if i recall) it still didn't 'harm' him.
Wasn't the Sue Storm incident, because that was Exitar's weakness, like Kryptonite is to Supes? Exitar isn't weak to Thor's hammer.
Not to mention, wasn't that pis, on Sue's part?
it was a little pis-sy i'll concede. we just don't really know how 'hard' the dome really was. cap'
s shield (like jugg's invulnerability) is renowned throughout marvel. course the shield>adamantium. we could look at how thor has fared against ultron for a more appropriate answer. and the answer to THAT question is . . . not all that well.
here's a little bit i found at marveldirectory.com:
Over the following decades MacLain experimented, attempting to duplicate the process that create the shield. Finally, in recent years, he succeeded in developing the process by which the substance known as True Adamantium is created. True Adamantium is nearly as strong as Captain America's shield, and is, for all practical purpose, indestructible. The degree of impermeability varies directly with the thickness of the Adamantium. A direct blow from Thor's hammer, conveyed with the thunder god's full strength, will slightly dent a solid cylinder of True Adamantium.
for what it's worth. 😬
Gladiator then, in a future possiblity?
yeah, that happened after wolvie fought glads for seven straight days (i think -- anyway, a LONG time . . .) wolvie hanging with glads 1on1 for . . . days!?
isn't that the literal definition of pis . . .? 😕
Originally posted by leonidas
meh, COULD be. all's i'm saying is that the presence of the odin power makes things at least questionable. desak handed thor his ARSE before he became KT.without the odin power the shield was impervious to thor. he becomes KT and suddenly he can dent it. coincedence . . .?
i'm not saying it's impossible to think thor alone could do it. mjollnir IS magical and thor IS uber. but even if it COULD dent it, that still doesn't mean uru harder than the shield -- just that it's magical enchantments allow for it to do some crazy-ass-sh!te!
Originally posted by leonidasYa, but is it just magic hitting it, or is it the hammer?
like i just said -- even allowing for the possibility (which i again disagree with) that thor with the hammer is capable of denting the shield, that speaks more to the magical nature, imo, than the 'hardness' of the uru.
Originally posted by leonidasIt looked like a little more than a step...
nah, i meant the godblast incident. and while it DID back him up a step (if i recall) it still didn't 'harm' him.
Originally posted by leonidasYa.
it was a little pis-sy i'll concede. we just don't really know how 'hard' the dome really was. cap'
s shield (like jugg's invulnerability) is renowned throughout marvel. course the shield>adamantium. we could look at how thor has fared against ultron for a more appropriate answer. and the answer to THAT question is . . . not all that well.
Well, what about Wonder Man for a comparison?
Him crushing it, should that be considered in this discussion?
Originally posted by leonidasA solid cylinder? That is a little thicker than Cap's shield.
here's a little bit i found at marveldirectory.com:[b]Over the following decades MacLain experimented, attempting to duplicate the process that create the shield. Finally, in recent years, he succeeded in developing the process by which the substance known as True Adamantium is created. True Adamantium is nearly as strong as Captain America's shield, and is, for all practical purpose, indestructible. The degree of impermeability varies directly with the thickness of the Adamantium. A direct blow from Thor's hammer, conveyed with the thunder god's full strength, will slightly dent a solid cylinder of True Adamantium.
for what it's worth. 😬[/B]
Originally posted by leonidas😂 I know...
yeah, that happened after wolvie fought glads for seven straight days (i think -- anyway, a LONG time . . .) wolvie hanging with glads 1on1 for . . . days!?isn't that the literal definition of pis . . .? 😕
if you mean 'strong' i'll disagree. uroc is made entirly of uru. however, powerful as he is, he lacks the odin level enchantments of mjollnir . . .
clearly, the level of magical enchantment obfuscates the true 'hardness' of the uru metal. without enchantment, there really isn't any doubt, imo, that adamantium (let lone cap's shield) is the harder of the 2 substances. 🙂
Originally posted by bigbran
Ya, but is it just magic hitting it, or is it the hammer?
If it was Loki shooting the shield, then that would be straight magic.
If we say that everythign that Thor has damaged was due to magic, then how hard exactly is uru?
maybe the scan (that you forced me to dig up 😠 ) will help answer the question a little? 😛
It looked like a little more than a step...
Also, the dome piece was harder than his outside. He also had the belt of power, which, like I said before, with a little more strength, he is able to do more damage.
the thing is, thor was able to ADD to the enchantment, apparently, by adding his girdle. he seems to have made it 'stronger'. does that mean harder? uru is a sponge. i think it becomes impossible to seperate the uru from the magic it is endowed with. the stringer the enchantment, the stronger the uru -- as my scans show.
Ya.
Still, he managed to damage a Celestial. More than most people can say.
believe me -- there's not likely a bigger thor fan on the forum and i am NOT downplaying the feat. 🙂 just saying it is not really a demonstration of 'hardness'. specially since it was a blast that blew the dome up, anyway . . .
Well, what about Wonder Man for a comparison?
Him crushing it, should that be considered in this discussion?
that wasn't true adamantium, nor am i sure he actually crushed it. i remember the scan and have the book but can't recall all the details. have you got the scan or issue number?
A solid cylinder? That is a little thicker than Cap's shield.
but cap's shield>adamantium so i think the comparison is moot.
😂 I know...
i almost had a cardiac arrest reading about that battle . . .
Originally posted by leonidasDoes liquid nitrogen's effect go to harder metals in comics? That scan basically said, that if you freeze uru, you can destroy it with a gun.
maybe the scan (that you forced me to dig up 😠 ) will help answer the question a little? 😛
Hasn't Odin said Uru was indestructable? Also, does the magic actually make the metal harder?
But Thor's hammer already has the enchantment of Odin.
I don't remember Thor ever blessing it with power.
Originally posted by leonidasWhat about here?
the thing is, thor was able to ADD to the enchantment, apparently, by adding his girdle. he seems to have made it 'stronger'. does that mean harder? uru is a sponge. i think it becomes impossible to seperate the uru from the magic it is endowed with. the stringer the enchantment, the stronger the uru -- as my scans show.
Did he just add to the enchantment by picking it up?
Also, what about Absorbing Man when he touches Thor's hammer? Does he gain the magical powers?
Originally posted by leonidasI'm talking about the head.
believe me -- there's not likely a bigger thor fan on the forum and i am NOT downplaying the feat. 🙂 just saying it is not really a demonstration of 'hardness'. specially since it was a blast that blew the dome up, anyway . . .
Originally posted by leonidasHmm... was it secondary?
that wasn't true adamantium, nor am i sure he actually crushed it. i remember the scan and have the book but can't recall all the details. have you got the scan or issue number?
I can look for it.
Originally posted by leonidasBut, it depends on the thickness. Certainly, Cap's shield isn't harder than a 2 foot thick, adamantium wall.
but cap's shield>adamantium so i think the comparison is moot.
Originally posted by leonidasI know, someone used that against me, as to why Wolverine can beat some uber top tier...
i almost had a cardiac arrest reading about that battle . . .
Originally posted by bigbran
Does liquid nitrogen's effect go to harder metals in comics? That scan basically said, that if you freeze uru, you can destroy it with a gun.
the more important thing it is saying is that uru can be AFFECTED by nitrogen . . . cap's shield has no such problem.
Hasn't Odin said Uru was indestructable? Also, does the magic actually make the metal harder?
imo it does. and if odin has said that, i (a) don't recall, and (b) he was wrong. 😄
What about here?Did he just add to the enchantment by picking it up?
yes, imo. but that's just opinion based on my understanding of how uru works. he also actually alludes to the power of odin being unstoppable in your scan -- not the hammer itself.
Also, what about Absorbing Man when he touches Thor's hammer? Does he gain the magical powers?
not sure. he SHOULD, i'd think. especially considering his power was given to him by loki.
I'm talking about the head.
[quote]but . . . how hard is the armor? hard, no doubt, but HOW hard? too hard to guess.
[quote]Hmm... was it secondary?
He crushed his head with both of his hands.
can't recall all the details, only that it was NOT true adamantium. i DO believe that hulk bent adamantium, but i'm not sure it was said whether or not it was TRUE adamantium.
But, it depends on the thickness. Certainly, Cap's shield isn't harder than a 2 foot thick, adamantium wall.
If he can dent a cylinder (how big is this cylinder?), then who is to say that he will have no effect on Cap's shield?
i KNEW you'd say that. but we have no way to determine just how thick true adamantium would have to be to equal cap's shield, (caps' shield works differently from adamantium -- the vibranium ABSORBS and REDIRECTS the energy from a blow, rather than simply deflecting it like adamantium would do) nor do we know how thick the adamantium would be to resist thor's hammer. because of all the unknowns, your point basically becomes unarguable.
