Originally posted by Sexyback
Ok, first of all, I played KotOR like a gazillion years ago, so excuse me if my memory on it's a tad bit shoddy. The point is, she's proven herself to be uber, so the only explanation is that she was weakened from the crash.
Your "extreme skillz" as a debater notwithstanding (lol), this is one of the lamest posts you've ever made. What a bunch of bull. You make an outrageous exaggeration (a meaner person than me might even go so far as to call it a "lie"😉, and now you're turning tail and making excuses and crediting your actions to logical deduction?
Boy, doesn't this sound familiar. This is kind've like our most recent debacles involving Bane.
Another viable answer could be: she's good - not uber, but good - and simply got outmaneuvered by these thugs.
Originally posted by Sexyback
I've also just been informed that Bastilla was able to use a jedi mind trick on a hutt, suggesting an incredible willpower.
Didn't Return of the Jedi make it clear that Hutts were immune to Jedi mind tricks? If so, then Bastilla's "mind tricking a Hutt" is non canon. And if it only applied to Jabba, then what she did is nothing special.
Originally posted by Gideon
Your "extreme skillz" as a debater notwithstanding (lol), this is one of the lamest posts you've ever made. What a bunch of bull. You make an outrageous exaggeration (a meaner person than me might even go so far as to call it a "lie"😉, and now you're turning tail and making excuses and crediting your actions to logical deduction?Boy, doesn't this sound familiar. This is kind've like our most recent debacles involving Bane.
Another viable answer could be: she's good - not uber, but good - and simply got outmaneuvered by these thugs. And would get owned by Maul.
Originally posted by Gideon
Didn't Return of the Jedi make it clear that Hutts were immune to Jedi mind tricks? If so, then Bastilla's "mind tricking a Hutt" is non canon. And if it only applied to Jabba, then what she did is nothing special.
Didn't realise that Jabba the Hutt was infallible, LOL! Clearly, a force user with a high enough willpower would be able to pull it off.
Originally posted by Gideon
Your "extreme skillz" as a debater notwithstanding (lol), this is one of the lamest posts you've ever made. What a bunch of bull. You make an outrageous exaggeration (a meaner person than me might even go so far as to call it a "lie"😉, and now you're turning tail and making excuses and crediting your actions to logical deduction?Boy, doesn't this sound familiar. This is kind've like our most recent debacles involving Bane.
Another viable answer could be: she's good - not uber, but good - and simply got outmaneuvered by these thugs.
Please, Bastilla has shown herself to be somewhat of a force titan, if she was really in perfect condition, she would have simply disarmed the thugs with the force, used a shield to block any of the blaster bolts, and stunned them with the force. She's shown herself to be [i]that[i] good. Now the fact that she did get disarmed leaves only a few other explanations.
1. She was severely weakened from the crash.
2. She improved drastically from this point towards the end of KotOR.
3. She was incredibly unlucky.
The point is, you can't use the occasion to downplay Bastilla.
Originally posted by Sexyback
Didn't realise that Jabba the Hutt was infallible, LOL! Clearly, a force user with a high enough willpower would be able to pull it off.
Didn't realize Jabba would have a reason to lie or be misinformed, LOL! I suppose Watto was incorrect when he proclaimed Toydarians were immune to mind tricks. Regardless, if Hutts as a whole are immune to the Force trick, then Bastilla's maneuver is non canon.
The point is, you can't use the occasion to downplay Bastilla.
The fact that you're "Force titan" got captured by a group of ragtag thugs is embarrassing, and yes, it goes to show that she's really not among the best of the best in terms of fighting. She's no match for Maul. 🙁
Give Bastila when credit due people. Yes, Maul could kill her, but he cannot destroy as you guys have wonderfully put out.
Bastila Shan:
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One of the greatest users of the Battle Meditation technique.
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Learned many Dark Side moves in a very limited amount of time.
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Considered to be one of the strongest Jedi by the Dantooine Jedi High Council
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Wanted by Darth Malak; even though he desired her Battle Meditation, why make her apprentice unless she was powerful as well.
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Lightsaber-
Nothing suggests Bastila to be prodigious with the saber, however she does have some impressive feats.
Bastila was the personal leader of a Jedi strike team into Revan's flagship itself. A strike team isn't an army, and since the unit's objective is to kill Revan at all costs, then it's more likely it was a small group (like 7 members) to not draw the full attention of the ships security force. Revan, the tactical genius, more likely knew of such an attempt of the Jedi and probably buffed security. Yet Bastila managed to survive with three Jedi to reach into the control room of the ship itself and manage to corner Revan. You see her also pwning one of Revan's personal Dark Jedi Master security. That is quite amazing.
However, I again stress Maul's endurance and speed with his lightsaber skills help him overwhelm Shan. My point was Bastila ain't a weak kitten.
Haven't we already been through the whole "strike team" crap? And Jedi strike teams usually consist of at least 12 Knights and Masters, considering the strike team on the SF and the Strike Team that Jango Fett fought. Was Bastila the leader? She was a padawan remember, why the f*ck would the Jedi put a Padawan in charge of taking down Darth f*cking Revan?
The fact that you're "Force titan" got captured by a group of ragtag thugs is embarrassing,
I know it sounds weird, but the Planet logic is right for once. Revan was out for days when he and Carth landed on Taris. Bastila managed to remain in consciousness and was very weak to go all out on the Taris thugs. And note, the Black Vulkars are not weaklings. The fact that they are the most feared gang in all of the backstreets of Taris means something. Bastila was able to run though the gauntlet of Revan's flagship security and kill his own personal master guard. I'm sure in good health she would have no trouble with the Vulkars.
Haven't we already been through the whole "strike team" crap? And Jedi strike teams usually consist of at least 12 Knights and Masters, considering the strike team on the SF and the Strike Team that Jango Fett fought. Was Bastila the leader? She was a padawan remember, why the f*ck would the Jedi put a Padawan in charge of taking down Darth f*cking Revan?
No we haven't AC. I didn't get to continue my argument in the previous thread.
First off, when was there a strike team on the Star Forge? Second, when did Jango fight a strike team of 12 Knights and Masters? Sorry, I was proof of this. Pardon my pickiness.
The Jedi Council believed she was on the strongest among the group. You saw how they remarked on her when on Dantooine. The fact she got to Revan is a testament to her power.
And being a Padawan means shit. Bastila was the finest exemplar of BM and a powerful knight. If she was a Padawan, why did they put her on that ship?
First off, when was there a strike team on the Star Forge? Second, when did Jango fight a strike team of 12 Knights and Masters? Sorry, I was proof of this. Pardon my pickiness.
The Jedi Council believed she was on the strongest among the group. You saw how they remarked on her when on Dantooine. The fact she got to Revan is a testament to her power.
Not really, its a testament to how she could have simply run ahead, which she has already shown she WILL do.
And being a Padawan means shit. Bastila was the finest exemplar of BM and a powerful knight. If she was a Padawan, why did they put her on that ship?
You answered your own question for her Battle Meditation.
Vandar says that there was already a team of knights in place on the Star FOrge they are all those other Jedi fighting on the Star Forge. Jango fights the strike team in Open Season, Dooku even comments how he killed "so many of us"
Did it say in Open Season that there was a Jedi Strike Team sent?
Second, the Jedi on the Star Forge were that many. In one cutscene, you see around 4 getting killed by the Sith. I would say for effectiveness, a Jedi Strike Team would probably be like 12 Jedi or so.
Not really, its a testament to how she could have simply run ahead, which she has already shown she WILL do.
When has she shown this?
Second, if she did run ahead, then I guess she dismantled Revan's security herself. If she decided to screw the group and run for Revan, she would have faced the security by herself, and apprently killed them all then.
You answered your own question for her Battle Meditation.
You cannot use Battle Meditation while running and fighting. You have to sit down and think. The Jedi sent her as part of a Strike Team to infiltrate and kill Darth Revan. If they were used only for BM, then why didn't they put her on a capitol ship?
I believe that some people down-play Bastilla very much, which is not good. I know that she is whinny and all that but she was indeed a powerful Jedi. And Jedi Council had high expectations from her.
Originally posted by General Kenobl
Did it say in Open Season that there was a Jedi Strike Team sent?Second, the Jedi on the Star Forge were that many. In one cutscene, you see around 4 getting killed by the Sith. I would say for effectiveness, a Jedi Strike Team would probably be like 12 Jedi or so.
5 Jedi were already standing where we landed and 5 more went inside and we saw them getting killed on two occassions.
Originally posted by General Kenobl
When has she shown this?
Originally posted by General Kenobl
Second, if she did run ahead, then I guess she dismantled Revan's security herself. If she decided to screw the group and run for Revan, she would have faced the security by herself, and apprently killed them all then.
But remember that Darth Malak had actually helped them in this process in some way. He himself says that "I helped them", when we face him on Leviathan.
But Bastilla (as usual) gives all credit to her BM capability. She is really not very reliable.
Originally posted by General Kenobl
You cannot use Battle Meditation while running and fighting. You have to sit down and think. The Jedi sent her as part of a Strike Team to infiltrate and kill Darth Revan. If they were used only for BM, then why didn't they put her on a capitol ship?
But it was more of a suicide mission. Those Jedi were not powerful enough to defeat Darth Revan on their own. The Jedi Council played a big gamble by ordering this mission and this shows that how desperate they were against Revan's on-slaught. The Jedi Council was even willing to sacrifice Bastilla in the process.