Martian Manhunter vs Apocalypse

Originally posted by Martian_mind
MM also trumped Triumph,a guy as strong,fast and durable as superman(Triumph said this whilst fighting Evenly against Supes) In Addition To Ultraman and Stalemating Captain Marvel in a contest of strength.Not to mention that even if Apoc DOES somehow have an advantage all Jonn has to do is Phase and it's a perpetual stalemate.At Apocs best 5/5 but most likely Jonn 7/10

if apoc has any advantage it's slight I wasn't the one who was trying make the statement of apoc being stronger.

I agree with MM being as strong as supes and cap marvel but I also think apoc is as strong also.

your odd seem reasonable

Originally posted by batdude123
What's Apoc's greatest speed feat?

I'm not sure I'm just guessing it maybe the time he toed high evolutionary to some distant planet (I don't know the distance) or that he was able to keep up and be even faster then ikiaris prime in there fight.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666

sweet scan where is it from, I totally agree with it too MM is awsome and rarely ever gets credit in DC it's always getting owned by people he shouldn't have any problem with.

Thats from JLA trial by fire.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Thats from JLA trial by fire.

thanks I will have to pick that up

Originally posted by jasofisc
thanks I will have to pick that up

One of the best Jonn arcs ever.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666

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Originally posted by batdude123
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He's not the most powerful on the face of the earth....but he would kick supes ass 😖hifty:

Originally posted by Martian_mind
He's not the most powerful on the face of the earth....but he would kick supes ass 😖hifty:

Originally posted by batdude123
What's Apoc's greatest speed feat?

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers23.png

Well, here he clocks a super speed running Quicksilver.

Originally posted by jasofisc
I would say that beating ikaris prime

that it's equal to apoc battering Ikaris

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
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T-Vo.

My next Post,JLA Golden Perfect.When every leaguer is reality warped(including Supes)Jonn is the only one bar Diana who isn't affected by the reality warp.When Diana asks how he is fine Jonn states"My more linear view off reality protects me"So no T-vo Pis filled reality manipulation power for Supes

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Originally posted by Martian_mind
My next Post,JLA Golden Perfect.When every leaguer is reality warped(including Supes)Jonn is the only one bar Diana who isn't affected by the reality warp.When Diana asks how he is fine Jonn states"My more linear view off reality protects me"So no T-vo Pis filled reality manipulation power for Supes

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J'onn has felt the effects of reality manipulation before (Divided We Fall), so he's not immuned to it. Not to mention, T-Vo worked on beings vastly more powerful than J'onn.

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Originally posted by batdude123
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J'onn has felt the effects of reality manipulation before (Divided We Fall), so he's not immuned to it. Not to mention, T-Vo worked on beings vastly more powerful than J'onn.

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Golden perfect came out after Divided we fall,so it's a retcon 😖hifty:
Also if it has worked on stronger beings than Jonn it was probably one done with time and concentration,something supes won't have if Jonn is constantly attacking his mind

shuriken

Originally posted by Martian_mind
My next post.

Golden perfect came out after Divided we fall,so it's a retcon 😖hifty:
Also if it has worked on stronger beings than Jonn it was probably one done with time and concentration,something supes won't have if Jonn is constantly attacking his mind

My next post.

J'onn isn't immune to reality manipulation. Him having a "linear" view upon things wouldn't mean dick. J'onn wouldn't be given the time nor the energy to attack Superman's mind. Superman is immensely faster, and he's stronger.

Remember guys you have only 10 posts. 😛

Originally posted by batdude123
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J'onn isn't immune to reality manipulation. Him having a "linear" view upon things wouldn't mean dick. J'onn wouldn't be given the time nor the energy to attack Superman's mind. Superman is immensely faster, and he's stronger.

If Jonn Phases The level of Supes Speed or Strength Matters not.
Jonn may not have many lifting feats however he has a good track record against superman-level characters,Stalemating Captain Marvel,Beating Triumph,Restraining Orion,Wonder Woman and Big barda all at once and beating Ultraman(I know you like to bring up how Ultraman had'nt taken any Kryptonite in a while but if you read the story it States they had only been gone 10 minutes and it is highly doubtful that Ultraman would have let himself get low in case he smashed the giant hands and got in a confrontation) I would never say that Jonn is stronger or faster than supes,but if Supes gets his hands on him it won't be a curbstomp.

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Originally posted by Martian_mind
If Jonn Phases The level of Supes Speed or Strength Matters not.
Jonn may not have many lifting feats however he has a good track record against superman-level characters,Stalemating Captain Marvel,Beating Triumph,Restraining Orion,Wonder Woman and Big barda all at once and beating Ultraman(I know you like to bring up how Ultraman had'nt taken any Kryptonite in a while but if you read the story it States they had only been gone 10 minutes and it is highly doubtful that Ultraman would have let himself get low in case he smashed the giant hands and got in a confrontation) I would never say that Jonn is stronger or faster than supes,but if Supes gets his hands on him it won't be a curbstomp.

shuriken

He does have good track records against said opponents, but the same could easily be said for Superman. He's beaten his fair share of people who are more versatile than him. Cyborg Superman, Eradicator (with the use of T-VO!!), GLs, etc.

Not to mention Superman also has intangible and invisible tricks up his sleeve as well.

Intangible:

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1971/supermanfast3ar.jpg

Invisible:

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Supermangoininvisible.jpg

And J'onn wouldn't be given the luxury of time for the phasing to work while Superman was bombarding him with his speed and strength advantage.

Superman's combat speed>>>J'onn's combat speed.

shuriken

Anyway, BACK ON TOPIC.

J'onn wins against Apocalypse with his speed advantage.

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