Darkseid (Vs.) The Destroyer Armor / Loki

Originally posted by darthgoober
It's totally different cause he didn't stand up to shit. He was disintegrated. Then an outside power brought him back. That's like saying that Drax and Firelord are immune to time manipulation, because Dr. Strange brought them back from the past when Thanos sent them to prehistoric times.

The point is, the destoyer cannot Put down DS. He is above being killed. So the beam won't work. Now how can the Destroyer win if it can't kill DS? It doesn't have any trapping kinds of powers like Tk or energy manip that I can remember.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Alot stronger than thier DC counter parts? where did you get this notion from? where is your proof?

Take DC's Odin and Marvel's Odin. Is Marvel's Odin alot stronger? Heck yea.

Take DC's Thor and Marvel's Thor. Is Marvel's Thor alot stronger? Heck yea.

Take DC's Hercules and Marvel's Hercules. Is Marvel's Hercules stronger? Heck yea.

The list goes on and on.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
[B]Also, DS absorbed the power of the pantheons he destroyed. THousands of them. So yeah, he can over power earth's pantheons' combined might.

Thousands huh? Funny, considering Darkseid jobs to Superman all the time. Looks like those thousands of DC Pantheon's really doesn't help. With that said, Absorbing the power of thousands of pantheons doesn't mean squat if most of them are weak push-overs by Marvel's standards.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The point is, the destoyer cannot Put down DS. He is above being killed. So the beam won't work. Now how can the Destroyer win if it can't kill DS? It doesn't have any trapping kinds of powers like Tk or energy manip that I can remember.

Originally posted by Evangel94
Take DC's Odin and Marvel's Odin. Is Marvel's Odin alot stronger? Heck yea.

Take DC's Thor and Marvel's Thor. Is Marvel's Thor alot stronger? Heck yea.

Take DC's Hercules and Marvel's Hercules. Is Marvel's Hercules stronger? Heck yea.

The list goes on and on.

Thousands huh? Funny, considering Darkseid jobs to Superman all the time. Looks like those thousands of DC Pantheon's really doesn't help. With that said, Absorbing the power of thousands of pantheons doesn't mean squat if most of them are weak push-overs by Marvel's standards.

DC's Odin was able to banish the same surtur that stalemated Fate, Thunderbolt,and sentinal. weaker than Marvel Odin. You got me on that one since DC odin was able to beat a being who stalemated Dr. fate, and imp, and alan scot.

DC's Thor Beat barda, one of the strongest New gods. He doesn't have many feats, but he's certainly comparible to the Thor myth.

DC herakles doesn't have many strength feats. But he is immortal and a full God. He held up the island for like thousands of years. And DS jobbing to superman doesn't count. Superman is protected by the source.

Originally posted by darthgoober
No he's not above being killed. He just comes back. Once again there's a difference. If the Destroyer disintegrates him, it's a win whether he comes back or not.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
So it's really who shoots whom first. Becuz The OE will work on the Destroyer. It's not essential to the universe or protected by any abstract being.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I ask again, how many times has been able to erase someone more powerful than him?

I dont' see the armor as more powerful. Especially with Loki in it. Unless you think the armor is on the lvl of The anti-monitor, the spectre, or the Godwave. Those are the times when DS hasn't been able to just erase someone.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I dont' see the armor as more powerful. Especially with Loki in it. Unless you think the armor is on the lvl of The anti-monitor, the spectre, or the Godwave. Those are the times when DS hasn't been able to just erase someone.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I dont' see the armor as more powerful. Especially with Loki in it. Unless you think the armor is on the lvl of The anti-monitor, the spectre, or the Godwave. Those are the times when DS hasn't been able to just erase someone.

It doesn't matter who is in it because EVEN if with a normal human, the armor is always above Marvel's skyfathers in terms of power and invulnerability. Putting Loki in it only feeds the armor's power a bit more.

The whole point of this is that the Armor IS more powerful than Darkseid. This is a direct side by side comparison, and the Destroyer armor takes it in all categories. Stop trying to reference DC characters that having nothing to do with this battle.

Originally posted by Evangel94
It doesn't matter who is in it because EVEN if with a normal human, the armor is always above Marvel's skyfathers in terms of power and invulnerability. Putting Loki in it only feeds the armor's power a bit more.

The whole point of this is that the Armor IS more powerful than Darkseid. This is a [b]direct side by side comparison, and the Destroyer armor takes it in all categories. Stop trying to reference DC characters that having nothing to do with this battle. [/B]

Well how do you gage if DS can hurt it if you don't gage who DS has hurt? HMM explain that one to me oh great one. I seem to remember many people referencing other characters with in the company the character comes from as a way to gage a battle that can never take place, such as this one. ANd if you want to do a side by side comparison, the armor doesn't stand up. DS has beaten the PRECRISIS SUPERMAN. He has destroyed Planets with just his presence, stood up to Highfather and rocked the universe with thier fight, Hurt the AM and The SPECTRE, and made the lords of Chaos and Order shut up in his presence.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Well how do you gage if DS can hurt it if you don't gage who DS has hurt? HMM explain that one to me oh great one. I seem to remember many people referencing other characters with in the company the character comes from as a way to gage a battle that can never take place, such as this one. ANd if you want to do a side by side comparison, the armor doesn't stand up. DS has beaten the PRECRISIS SUPERMAN. He has destroyed Planets with just his presence, stood up to Highfather and rocked the universe with thier fight, Hurt the AM and The SPECTRE, and made the lords of Chaos and Order shut up in his presence.

You're not comparing them! You're just listing feats! And I'm willing to bet most of those feats don't apply or only under special circumstances that your not mentioning fully just to make Darkseid look better because your arguing for him.

Pre-crisis Superman has nothing to do with this battle. It's not even the same Superman. DC jobs to current Superman and that's what matters because it is the most recent. The destroyer armor doesn't care about Darkseid's "presense".

You're supposed to look at these categories when making a decision.

1. Strength
2. Durability
3. Speed
4. Special Abilities

Originally posted by Evangel94
You're not comparing them! You're just listing feats! And I'm willing to bet most of those feats don't apply or only under special circumstances that your not mentioning fully just to make Darkseid look better because your arguing for him.

Pre-crisis Superman has nothing to do with this battle. It's not even the same Superman. DC jobs to [b]current Superman and that's what matters because it is the most recent. The destroyer armor doesn't care about Darkseid's "presense".

You're supposed to look at these categories when making a decision.

1. Strength
2. Durability
3. Speed
4. Special Abilities [/B]

You don't have to look at the first three becuz this fight would never come down to that. That is why we are looking at number 4. The OE trumps the Disentigrator beam. Period. Also I guess you missed the part that says non jobbing DS. that basically means the Near Galactus lvl bad ass Precrisis, kirby version.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You don't have to look at the first three becuz this fight would never come down to that. That is why we are looking at number 4. The OE trumps the Disentigrator beam. Period. Also I guess you missed the part that says non jobbing DS. that basically means the Near Galactus lvl bad ass Precrisis, kirby version.

Invulnerability always plays a part. The omega effect working on the destroyer is debatable because it's nigh-invulnerable, but the disintergrator beam will definitly work on Darkseid. He has no defense against it.

And I must ask, when has Darkseid used the omega effect on someone whose absolutely more powerful than him and suceeded?

Originally posted by Evangel94
Invulnerability always plays a part. The omega effect working on the destroyer is debatable because it's nigh-invulnerable, but the disintergrator beam will definitly work on Darkseid. He has no defense against it.

And I must ask, when has Darkseid used the omega effect on someone whose absolutely more powerful than him and suceeded?

He used it on the Spectre and hurt him. He used it on the AM and Hurt him badly. These guys are so far beyond the Armor that He could do more than hurt it.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He used it on the Spectre and hurt him. He used it on the AM and Hurt him badly. These guys are so far beyond the Armor that He could do more than hurt it.

Galactus and Darkseid fought before. The Omega Effect failed and Galactus shrugged it off. The Omega Effect does have limits. Not to mention that Galactus was very hungry and weak in that issue and he still completely defeated Darkseid. If the Omega Effect failed to work on very hungry and weak Galactus, it's not going to work on the Destoyer Armor.

The Omega Effect failed to work on Superman, Doomsday, and didn't work at all on Galactus. Superman stopped the Omega Effect with heat vision before too. The Omega Effect does have limits. The Destroyer Armor will be protected.

The Destroyer can just pop open its lid and completely disintegrate Darkseid and anyone that's near him. Darkseid has no defense against it.

The only thing you have left to argue for Darkseid winning is the Omega Effect (which will not work). The armor is stronger and invulnerable to anything Darkseid can throw at all.

Darkseid on the otherhand is completely vulnerable to EVERYTHING the Destroyer Armor can do to him. Darkseid is completely outgunned here. You're just not getting it, and because of that I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and think that you haven't read comics with the Destroyer in it before. Seriousely, you need the armor more alot more credit than what your giving it. They don't call it the "Destroyer" armor for nothing you know.

one thing... as to the Omega Effect being able to wipe out anything that isn't necessary for the universe, and the argument that since the Destroyer armor is not necessary for the universe, it would be destroyed... cross company battles are supposed to take place in a seperate universe entirely, for the purpose of the KMC fight... therefore, wouldn't it make sense that the special effects of the Omega Effect (IE wiping out non-essential parts of the universe) would not work the same as they would in the DCU? I'm new to this forum, it's just a thought.

Originally posted by tjcoady
one thing... as to the Omega Effect being able to wipe out anything that isn't necessary for the universe, and the argument that since the Destroyer armor is not necessary for the universe, it would be destroyed... cross company battles are supposed to take place in a seperate universe entirely, for the purpose of the KMC fight... therefore, wouldn't it make sense that the special effects of the Omega Effect (IE wiping out non-essential parts of the universe) would not work the same as they would in the DCU? I'm new to this forum, it's just a thought.

You got it exactly.

Originally posted by Evangel94
You got it exactly.

thanks 🙂

Imperiex was able to withstand the Omega Effect, he was not necessary to the universe or whatsoever since Kismet wanted to took him down. Doomsday is still roaming around. The Omega Effect has limits and they dont have anything to do with "being necessary", that argument just doesnt hold.

Originally posted by Bentley
Imperiex was able to withstand the Omega Effect, he was not necessary to the universe or whatsoever since Kismet wanted to took him down. Doomsday is still roaming around. The Omega Effect has limits and they dont have anything to do with "being necessary", that argument just doesnt hold.

We dont' know if Wanted to kill Doomsday or what. We have never seen the OE try to wipe someone from existance and it not work. People kill me trying to make that damn battle suit so ****ing powerful. what is the point of the suit against DS if people think it gets an auto win. Againt a NON jobbing DS. non Jobbing DS is above the suit any way. Get real. ALl the examples of people using against DS are what is called Jobbing DS. Read the OP. it says NON JOBBING DS. He wins.