The Phoenix Force vs. Eternity

Originally posted by Mr Master
Wanda consciously re-created the 616 Reality
and turned into her private playground. (reality 58163)

She simultaneously ripped open a hole in what was 616,
and her power split out into the rest of the Omniverse,
tearing the whole freaking thing to pieces.

At the end of the arc,
Wanda consciously reverted everything back to normal,
(this included re-creating 616, aside from from restructuring the Omniverse)
she also erased the Mutant gene from 90% of the race across all Timelines.

All simultaneously, all with a thought.

No need, explained above.

That's not true at all.

Jamie Braddock saved them by getting her and Betsy out of annihilation's way.

No one was immune to Wanda' warp.

Only Meggan after absorbing the Omniversal nexus Universe that is Otherworld,
plus the power of the Beyonders,
was able to slow down the wave for a moment,
immediately after she was overwhelmed and stomped.

That's not true either.

There has been no connection between the "Life-Force" and the "Phoenix Force"

In fact, when Doom acquired the power of the "Life Force"
the Phoenix was just another of its subjects in the artistic depiction.

In fact, going by it's latest showings, I think we can say for certain this is the case.

[B]you're hyping the witch up way to much
she reconstructed 616 EARTH guy, NOT the whole reality
the CHAOS wave caused that damage, NOT Wanda, i don't know why people keep insisting she fueled the wave then the ONLY reason it kept going was due to the tear in space and time which when Roma sealed up, the damage began receding, Roma stated several times that Wanda's Warp was GLOBAL the temporal storm she was referring to was the chaos wave, the chaos wave is NOT part of her arsenal guy, c'mon now

and jean left the crystal for Rachel , be real

and yes the phoenix did break the curse, she's even referred to hope as "her child"

NOT ONCE was it ever stated Wanda fueled the chaos wave
she doesn't even deserve to be above the phoenix or eternity

or even in the cosmic hierarchy at that, given that the phoenix is the nexus of all psionic energy? since "chaos magic" was apparently retconned
that would be the warp was psionic in nature which is derived from the phoenix, i don't ever recall Wanda being " the nexus being of magic"

stop attributing the chaos wave towards her
and that 90% refers to mostly 616, seeing how the ultimate universe wasn't affected

and all Meggan did was SEAL THE BREACH again , halting the wave

again the CHAOS WAVE caused the omniversal damage, NOT Wanda's warp, the BREACH fueled the wave NOT Wanda

Originally posted by zopzop
Thor caused it to run in one of those instances, so I'd call that a draw at least. As we've seen Mjolnir can affect it because of Odin's "all powerful" enchantments. Hell as of now it looks like Odinforce > PF.

Good grief Zop. 😬
Where you get this "run away" stuff from?

And this was no stalemate at all. Anyone who says it was, can/should be charged with lowballing.

TOO many things are being taken out of context

Originally posted by Sundipped
Good grief Zop. 😬
Where you get this "run away" stuff from?

And this was no stalemate at all. Anyone who says it was, can/should be charged with lowballing.

Originally posted by zopzop
SD, didn't you read/see the scan? Thor "clipped its' wings" and Ms. Marvel stated "did it just run away?".

Yeah I read it. Do you honestly hold Ms. Marvel's assumption as truth? Thor was outclassed in every encounter. With ease. Also clipping its wing means little being that it's a manifestation of life force/psionic energy that'll just regenerate.

indeed

Originally posted by Mr.SunKing

you're hyping the witch up way to much
she reconstructed 616 EARTH guy, NOT the whole reality

the CHAOS wave caused that damage, NOT Wanda,

i don't know why people keep insisting she fueled the wave then the
ONLY reason it kept going was due to the tear in space and time
which when Roma sealed up, the damage began receding, Roma
stated several times that Wanda's Warp was GLOBAL the temporal
storm she was referring to was the chaos wave, the chaos wave is
NOT part of her arsenal guy, c'mon now

and jean left the crystal for Rachel , be real

and yes the phoenix did break the curse, she's even referred to hope as "her child"

NOT ONCE was it ever stated Wanda fueled the chaos wave
she doesn't even deserve to be above the phoenix or eternity

or even in the cosmic hierarchy at that, given that the phoenix is the nexus of all psionic energy? since "chaos magic" was apparently retconned
that would be the warp was psionic in nature which is derived from the phoenix, i don't ever recall Wanda being " the nexus being of magic"

stop attributing the chaos wave towards her
and that 90% refers to mostly 616, seeing how the ultimate universe wasn't affected

and all Meggan did was SEAL THE BREACH again , halting the wave

again the CHAOS WAVE caused the omniversal damage, NOT Wanda's warp, the BREACH fueled the wave NOT Wanda

I just noticed you don't know anything about what you're trying to debate.

Although I may get bored and simply post the scanned proof.

... meh, we'll see, but everyone knows Wanda tore the Omniverse to pieces,
while simultaneously remaking the entire 616 universe into reality 58163.

The Chaos Wave was her power spilling out of 58163 (previously 616)

In the end, it was Wanda that put everything back with "No ore Mutants"
at which point the Omniverse returned to normal,
the 58163 universe was remade into 616,
and 90% of mutants across all Timelines were depowered.

This is all on panel (across many titles) and Handbook certified.

The rest of your Phoenix bravado is amusing but likewise fantastical and imaginary.

Likewise, Meggan didn't seal any breach,
you think Wanda's nullification of the mutant gene was restricted to 616,
you think it was Phoenix that broke Wanda's spell,
you don't that Wanda's reality warp is the Chaos Wave amongst everything else,
I mean ... geesh, you're all over the place.

... and you're telling me to "be real" ... 😂

Originally posted by Mr Master
facepalm

I just noticed you don't know anything about what you're trying to debate.

Although I may get bored and simply post the scanned proof.

... meh, we'll see, but everyone knows Wanda tore the Omniverse to pieces,
while simultaneously remaking the entire 616 universe into reality 58163.

The Chaos Wave was her power spilling out of 58163 (previously 616)

In the end, it was Wanda that put everything back with "No ore Mutants"
at which point the Omniverse returned to normal,
the 58163 universe was remade into 616,
and 90% of mutants across all Timelines were depowered.

This is all on panel (across many titles) and Handbook certified.

The rest of your Phoenix bravado is amusing but likewise fantastical and imaginary.

Likewise, Meggan didn't seal any breach,
you think Wanda's nullification of the mutant gene was restricted to 616,
you think it was Phoenix that broke Wanda's spell,
you don't that Wanda's reality warp is the Chaos Wave amongst everything else,
I mean ... geesh, you're all over the place.

... and you're telling me to "be real" ... 😂

don't know anything?
i know enough to prove my claims
and yes " be real"
how about not hyping characters up to seem more than what they are?
and certified where by who? you?
i've read house of M ,exiles, the uncanny titles that referenced to it

you can post your scans guy, i'll just counter with mine
and don't post half assed scans out of context
post the WHOLE thing, cause i see thats apparently the new thing
eager people have a knack for doing

again as i stated it was never stated once that she fueled the chaos wave
the multiple warps is what caused the tore and the emergence , yes
however she never fueled it
phoenix bravado?
you're pushing for the witch so hard it makes no sense
multiple times its been stated her warp was on a global scale
due to the multiple warps

if the wave was allowed to spread would it collapse creation
obviously if the breach wasn't sealed

similar to a small fire that if left unattended would cause catastrophe

nice try on trying to downplay my knowledge on the matter
but you'll have to try harder guy

pretty disappointed with the direction taken with the force but

Originally posted by guy222
pretty disappointed with the direction taken with the force but

Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah, no kidding. At this point, I'd say it would BARELY be a match for Thanos.

😕 April Fool's?

Originally posted by carver9
😕 April Fool's?

man, i can look back and honestly say i had a few misconceptions about the phoenix force and Wanda, in no way can the force conquer eternity

Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah, no kidding. At this point, I'd say it would BARELY be a match for Thanos.

1/5 of the Force whipped up on the Avengers team easier than he did. Scott 1 shot the whole team. If it wasn't for Wanda, they would be dead in 1 panel.

wish marvel taken a better approach

Originally posted by Sundipped
1/5 of the Force whipped up on the Avengers team easier than he did. Scott 1 shot the whole team. If it wasn't for Wanda, they would be dead in 1 panel.

And just to show how consistent they are inn power levels, they had 1/5th of it pwn Thor repeatedly after he KO'd the entirety of it. 🙄 Yes good stuff.

Originally posted by Damborgson
after he KO'd the entirety of it. 🙄 Yes good stuff.

Scans?

You were there bro. Its when the writer confirmed a ko. "thor hit it so hard hwle knocked the bird out" doesnt make much sense to me but whatever.

Marvel needs to retcon the whole P5 crap. Has Eternity been seen