Good Old-Fashioned Values

*cough*

"The study, examining how sexual behavior before marriage has changed over time, was based on interviews conducted with more than 38,000 people -- about 33,000 of them women -- in 1982, 1988, 1995 and 2002 for the federal National Survey of Family Growth."

A gay joke, a liberal joke, and an incorrect statement about stats.

THAT'S your answer?

Methinks you know that while most people don't practice abstinence and do have pre-marital sex, you also know that abstinence is the BEST prevention of STD's, AIDS, or pregnancy and should still be shown as an option (the BEST option) and not discarded because it isn't widely practiced.

You just don't want to admit it because I, the infallable Sithsaber said it.

Heaven forbid I should ever get anything right. 😛

discarded because it isn't widely practiced.

You just don't want to admit it because I, the infallable Sithsaber said it.

Heaven forbid I should ever get anything right. 😛 [/B]

more to the point: rarely practiced at all.
thus, practical solutions are needed.

the best way to avoid a car accident is to stay out of a car, but what kind of practical solution is that? get it?

Originally posted by sithsaber408
*cough*

"The study, examining how sexual behavior before marriage has changed over time, was based on interviews conducted with more than [b]38,000 people -- about 33,000 of them women -- in 1982, 1988, 1995 and 2002 for the federal National Survey of Family Growth."

A gay joke, a liberal joke, and an incorrect statement about stats.

THAT'S your answer?

Methinks you know that while most people don't practice abstinence and do have pre-marital sex, you also know that abstinence is the BEST prevention of STD's, AIDS, or pregnancy and should still be shown as an option (the BEST option) and not discarded because it isn't widely practiced.

You just don't want to admit it because I, the infallable Sithsaber said it.

Heaven forbid I should ever get anything right. 😛 [/B]

Your "Best Option" isn't practical* so therefore it ceases to be a "Best Option". People are not going to stop having sex, that is a fact. You had premarital right? Did all the "Be Abstinent" propaganda work on you. A better/best option would be the promotion of "Safe Sex", but unfortunately most Christian organization throw a hissy fit when condoms are offered to kids for free and Sex Education classes have ignorant people pushing for their demise. It's the nut-job Christians/Religios Freaks who are promoting the spread of STD's and un-wanted pregancies.

(*See PVS's car/accident analogy)

-Edit: As proof that Religion is a major cause of STD's, look at Africa. 20+% of the people in many African countries are infected w/ either HIV-1 or HIV-2... Why is this you ask? Because of the massive lack of sexual education due to religion. The religious heads denouce the use of safe-sex practices as it "interferes with God's will".

now its either time for a reality check or an "i have sinned, but now my eyes see the light" speech.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
*cough*

"The study, examining how sexual behavior before marriage has changed over time, was based on interviews conducted with more than [b]38,000 people -- about 33,000 of them women -- in 1982, 1988, 1995 and 2002 for the federal National Survey of Family Growth."[/B]

But how many of those women were pregnant? Surely their unborn children had an opinion or possibly even experience.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
A gay joke, a liberal joke, and an incorrect statement about stats.

THAT'S your answer?

Why not? That's typically how you respond when you don't have anything valid to say.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
You want my thoughts?

This has F*ck all to do with me. 😛

I find the studies info to be par for the course. Nothing new, really.

People, most people in fact have sex before marriage. I did. Both my parents and my wife's parents did.

What I find to be funny, or just flat-out wrong is the studies conclusions: "Most people aren't practicing abstinence, so we shouldn't be promoting it."

The study only talks to 38,000 people, whilst there are 300 million in the U.S.

I think that you would find the numbers slightly lower on premarital sex if you did the study in a large scale, since there are many millions of Americans who have committed themselves to be virgins until marriage.

Certainly more than 5% of the country, anyway.

But that's all beside the point.

Just because people are doing something, doesn't mean that they should. (see smoking)

Every smoker who smokes knows the effects of tobacco and nicotine, knows the dangers, and the end-result. (many have probably seen it first hand as family members have died from cancer)

No amount of "TRUTH" ads will stop them.

But we don't stop teaching about the effects or possible outcomes of smoking do we?

It's all simple:

Abstinence= No chance of STD's, no chance of pregnancy
Protected Sex (few partners)=risk of STD's, risk of pregnancy
Protected Sex (many partners)=medium risk of STD's, medium risk of pregnancy
Unprotected Sex(few partners)=high risk of STD's, high risk of pregnancy
Unprotected Sex(many partners)=Extremely high risk of STD's, extremely high risk of pregnancy

Lot's of people not practicing abstinence does not change the above from being fact.

With the percentages of people who have STD's or un-wanted pregnancies, should't we tell them so?

For 'Cap /\

While it is true that Abstinence is the only guarantee of not contracting STD's or getting pregnant (for heterosexual couples), most people are NOT going to follow that.

You KNOW THIS Sithsaber...you yourself are an example of someone who did not choose to remain abstinent before Marriage...does that make you a bad person? No....you were responsible when you had sex right ?

I have nothing against teaching the rewards of Abstinence, but to push an Abstinence-Only sex education is fkn absurd. That will NOT work, as history has proven again and again.

ALL OPTIONS, from Abstinence to Safe Sex, to different methods of masturbation, should be taught and exposed, so that people have options and have the CHOICE to choose what is best for them.

I wondor what you would say to Gay people who decide to have sex before marriage. Would you tell them, "No, you should wait til you get married....HA ! 😱 "

I find it a repulsive repetition of how Conservative Christians, in general, are either intensely hypocritical or intensely stupid.....

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Remove the plank from your own eye, blah, blah blah.

But I do find the reference to Sithsabre interesting.

Tell us, Sithy, how unshakable is that leg you stand on? Abortion, "Gay rights", god-fearing christian values? Where is your love for a president that has abandoned you like a bad case of the clap? The term "true colours" springs to mind. Here we are, almost 5 years after sending troops to Iraq, and he says that he will consider sending more troops to Iraq "if they have a clear mission to accomplish"? One might assume a responsible, legitimate president would have thought about that before HE sent troops to Iraq to die for no real cause. I still don't see a legitimate reason for your ignorant, coca-cola patriotism or your membership in this personality cult. Maybe it had something to do with your father raping you in your crib when you were a baby.

--I only ask because I miss your Bush, middle finger posts.

By the way, the main cause of HIV infection in Africa is the mistaken belief that sleeping with a virgin woman will cure one of it.

Originally posted by FeceMan
What a huge troll attempt.

By the way, the main cause of HIV infection in Africa is the mistaken belief that sleeping with a virgin woman will cure one of it.

Of course the rapid spread of Roman Catholicism and the pope forbidding the use of Condoms has nothing to do with it...

Originally posted by FeceMan
What a huge troll attempt.

By the way, the main cause of HIV infection in Africa is the mistaken belief that sleeping with a virgin woman will cure one of it.

Originally posted by Fishy
Of course the rapid spread of Roman Catholicism and the pope forbidding the use of Condoms has nothing to do with it...

Originally posted by Fishy
Of course the rapid spread of Roman Catholicism and the pope forbidding the use of Condoms has nothing to do with it...

Yes because I'm sure condems are available everywhere for free in all the underdeveloped villages and to the poor. Yeah, right....................

Religion isn't the solution but lets not make it out to be the cause.

Originally posted by Soleran
Yes because I'm sure condems are available everywhere for free in all the underdeveloped villages and to the poor. Yeah, right....................

Religion isn't the solution but lets not make it out to be the cause.

Point being, Religion is a huge trunk-in-the-road to sexual education in Africa... The places were condoms would be readily available, the religious heads denounce such practices. Africans have virtually zero sexual education, a skewed view of religion is one of the larger factors to why this is.

Originally posted by Soleran
Yes because I'm sure condems are available everywhere for free in all the underdeveloped villages and to the poor. Yeah, right....................

Religion isn't the solution but lets not make it out to be the cause.

Of course it's not the cause, it does however play a part and is one of many reasons for aids spreading as fast as it does....

Originally posted by FeceMan
What a huge troll attempt.

By the way, the main cause of HIV infection in Africa is the mistaken belief that sleeping with a virgin woman will cure one of it.

Well, that should be done with soon.

Originally posted by FeceMan
What a huge troll attempt.

attempt?

Originally posted by Soleran
Yes because I'm sure condems are available everywhere for free in all the underdeveloped villages and to the poor. Yeah, right....................

Religion isn't the solution but lets not make it out to be the cause.

It's the Catholic church's fault there. No real way around that. Unless you're calling African's sex-crazed who refuse to practice abstinence....but that would be racist.

Originally posted by Strangelove
It's the Catholic church's fault there. No real way around that. Unless you're calling African's sex-crazed who refuse to practice abstinence....but that would be racist.

No it wouldn't be racist.

LOL Catholicism is to blame for the epidemic of AIDS in Africa, what a hoot.

Originally posted by Soleran
No it wouldn't be racist.

LOL Catholicism is to blame for the epidemic of AIDS in Africa, what a hoot.

Ooh, boy, let's blame religion for AIDS.

🙄

Anyway, I take some form of perverse pleasure in wondering what the answers would have been if the following questions had been asked:

1. If you could go back and wait until marriage to have sexual intercourse, would you?

2. If you could go back and wait to have sex, saving yourself for your current husband, would you?

I'm still not certain how not waiting until marriage to have sex is impractical. The only answer I can come up with is that we've decided that self-control is for suckers.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Ooh, boy, let's blame religion for AIDS.

🙄

Anyway, I take some form of perverse pleasure in wondering what the answers would have been if the following questions had been asked:

1. If you could go back and wait until marriage to have sexual intercourse, would you?

2. If you could go back and wait to have sex, saving yourself for your current husband, would you?

I'm still not certain how not waiting until marriage to have sex is impractical. The only answer I can come up with is that we've decided that self-control is for suckers.

I blame pharmaceutical companies for pill popping instant gratification, truly the moral decay of our country. *points a finger at pharmaceutical companies* I like blaming and it's easy too!

Originally posted by FeceMan
I'm still not certain how not waiting until marriage to have sex is impractical.

I am not certain either.