Odin/Infinity Guantlet & Thanos/Cosmic Cube vs Lucifer/DC

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The IG has NEVER ever Shown any superiority over a multiversal BEING.

4 Gems (Power-Space-Mind-Soul) created UniverseS:

"Each New Wave CREATED another New Reality"

These same 4 Gems, threatened "ALL the REALITIES"

"What do you mean NOTHING belongs here?" ... "This whole Reality is wrong"

"These Two Gems (Time-Reality) must be reunited,

otherwise ALL REALITIES, including this one, will be destroyed,

I have to use them to CREATE a New and stronger Reality,

'one whose Fabric isn't unravelling as this one is"

Originally posted by Galan007
Michael was vanquished, and the raw power contained within him was released all at once...

It was this energy that Lucifer completely manipulated.

Which would mean that lucifer can manipulate any energy source no matter how powerful. even the Heart of the universe. Same logic you guys use for the UN and the Ig. am I correct?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Which would mean that lucifer can manipulate any energy source no matter how powerful. even the Heart of the universe.

Keep your HOTI discussion in the appropriate thread. 😉

Originally posted by Galan007
Lucifer, Michael, and the IG are all I'm debating here...

Keep your HOTI discussion in the appropriate thread. 😉

I just said no matter how powerful the energy source. 🙂

How did Lucifer manipulate Michael's power?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Did Michael try to stop him?

Or did he overpower Michael for the power?

Or did Michael allow him to use his power?

What happened exactly?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Did Michael try to stop him?

Or did he overpower Michael for the power?

Or did Michael allow him to use his power?

What happened exactly?

Picture Mike as an Atomic bomb.

Before this bomb is detonated, all of it's potential energy is stored within an outer shell.

But once detonated, all of it's energy is released, and *POOF*, there goes Hiroshima...

Lucifer manipulated Michael's raw energy, and turned it into a Multiverse.

Energy control of that magnitude is rare, even in comic-dom...

So it got me wondering if Lucifer could manipulate the IG's energy, the same way the IG manipulated the UN's energy. 😕

Originally posted by Galan007
Lucifer killed Mike, and all the energy within him was released at once..

So Luc>Mike?

I thought it was the other way around.

Originally posted by Galan007
Lucifer manipulated Michael's raw energy, and turned it into a Multiverse.

Energy control of that magnitude is rare, even in comic-dom...

Creating a Multiverse?

That's not off the charts, imo.

Originally posted by Mr Master
So Luc>Mike?

I thought it was the other way around.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Creating a Multiverse?

That's not off the charts, imo.

Not many have accomplished that task. 😕

Originally posted by Galan007
So it got me wondering if Lucifer could manipulate the IG's energy, the same way the IG manipulated the UN's energy.

Even LT couldn't manipulate the IG, he was going to have to strip it from Warlock by force.

No way, Luc is accomplishing something the LT can't.

IMO. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
Mike allowed Lucifer to slay him, for reasons I don't feel like explaining lol.

So Luc was allowed to manipulate.

That's what I was getting at.

Could he have manipulated Michael's power without Michael's consent?

Originally posted by Galan007
Creating a Multiverse by shaping another characters power?

Not many have accomplished that task.

The fashion he used to create is another matter.

The fact is, he was only able to create a Multiverse,

and that's not unheard of.

But it's true, not many can.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Even LT couldn't manipulate the IG, he was going to have to strip it from Warlock by force.

No way, Luc is accomplishing something the LT can't.

IMO. 🙂

Lucifer = Gods will.

Mike = God's power.

Mike = THOTI >> IG

Lucifer had the will to manipulate that type of raw power, and turn it into a Multiverse.

I don't see why he couldn't do the same thing with a lesser force. 😕

Originally posted by Galan007
Remember though.

Lucifer = Gods will.

Mike = God's power.

Mike = THOTI >> IG

Lucifer had the will to manipulate that type of raw power, and turn it into a Multiverse.

I don't see why he couldn't do the same thing with a lesser force. 😕

Because it's in his powerset to control those energies (he's God's "will" after all)

But Luc has no affiliations with the IG,

the IG wouldn't be so receptive, as God's "power" would, which is basically a part of him in a way.

Originally posted by Mr Master
So Luc was allowed to manipulate.

That's what I was getting at.

Could he have manipulated Michael's power without Michael's consent?

Mike let Lucifer kill him without defending himself.

But once Mike was dead, all his power remained.

The only thing that allowed Lucifer to shape this raw energy, was his unprecedented will power.

No consent was given for this to occur, [Yahweh was actually against this happening].

Originally posted by Mr Master
Because it's in his powerset to control those energies (he's God's "will" after all)

But Luc has no affiliations with the IG,

the IG wouldn't be so receptive, as God's "power" would, which is basically a part of him in a way.

That makes zero sense.

Originally posted by Galan007
That's what I'm trying to explain.

Mike let Lucifer kill him without defending himself.

But once Mike was dead, all his power remained.

The only thing that allowed Lucifer to shape this raw energy, was his unprecedented will power.

No consent was given for this to occur, [Yahweh was actually against this happening].

So if Luc is supposedly God's "Will"

and he had just acquired God's "Power" aswell,

why didn't he just take over?

Why didn't he rearrange DC?

Why didn't he create more than a Multiverse?

Why didn't he challenge the Presence for supremacy?

Heck, this sounds like he was equal to the Presence.

He had the Presence's "Will" and "Power" ... that's another "Supreme Being"

Originally posted by Mr Master
So if Luc is supposedly God's "Will"

and he had just acquired God's "Power" aswell,

why didn't he just take over?

Why didn't he rearrange DC?

Why didn't he create more than a Multiverse?

Why didn't he challenge the Presence for supremacy?

Heck, this sounds like he was equal to the Presence.

He had the Presence's "Will" and "Power" ... that's another "Supreme Being"

He didn't "have" Mike's power, he just manipulated it.

And he wanted his OWN creation, one that had nothing to do with God. He wasn't interested in conquering anything. 😬

Originally posted by Galan007
So you think Lucifer can only control those energies,

and even though the IG is under Mike, Lucifer couldn't touch it?

That makes zero sense.

Again,

he was able to manipulate Michael's energy cause it was hostless,

but he can't if they're being harnessed by Michael.

Thanos took control of THOTI, it was ambient energy without a host.

Same thing I believe.

Thanos was able because it was there for the taking, had TOAA not permitted this, it wouldn't have happened.

Had Michael not permitted LCF to kill him, this also seems like it would not have happened.

Originally posted by Mr Master

Had Michael not permitted LCF to kill him, this also seems like it would not have happened.

Originally posted by Galan007
😬

Can LCF control Michael's energy without Michael allowing it?

I thought you said Michael let LCF kill him, in order for LCF to create?

Unless LCF can strip Michael of his power (while alive) and then manipulate it.

Otherwise this is no different than THOTI.

TOAA placed it there so Thanos can come, take it, manipulate it, and re-create Reality.

Now I agree, (standalone) LCF>>Thanos

but evidently, they were both able to manipulate the Power of the Almighty.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Now I agree, (standalone) LCF>>Thanos

but evidently, they were both able to manipulate the Power of the Almighty.

Lucifer manipulated this power to a greater degree imo.

The reason being,

He created a Multiverse from nothingness.