Beyonders and Infinites, are they the same

Originally posted by breeze85
Agreed with Galan007.

What comes to LT then. After Adam Warlock used IG to wipe out a bunch of abstracts, LT only had to snap his fingers which instantly calmed down the rage of IG, yet resurrected the cosmic entities. I think that's a great showing of his ultimate power.

The abstracts got blown back. There was nothing on panel stating or depicting that they got blown apart.

Saying LT resurrected them is speculation. He restored order. He cancelled out the blasts affects on the arena and restored the abstracts to their positions.

Given that we dont know if that was a full power blast from the IG you cant automatically place LT above the IG based solely on that action.

LT talked Adam out of a confrontation and went on to depower an inanimate objective. An IG not being wielded.

Originally posted by Weyoun
There is no reasoning like so many of the statements on this forum it seems to have no evidence or basis in reasoning. I don't see myself being here very long the boys are so young.

So you're into older men heh ? 😉

Whats an Infinity ? And whats the difference between a True Be-yonder, and the one Thanos recently manhandled ?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Infinites servants were moving planets out of orbit and shaping solar systems. So its a toss up.

Afterall, he easily pulled planets out of orbit, and his sneeze destroyed a solar system.....

Do you see where I'm coming from? We both have our oppinions, but I beleive that the true Beyonders are more powerful then the Infinites.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The abstracts got blown back. There was nothing on panel stating or depicting that they got blown apart.

Saying LT resurrected them is speculation. He restored order. He cancelled out the blasts affects on the arena and restored the abstracts to their positions.

Given that we dont know if that was a full power blast from the IG you cant automatically place LT above the IG based solely on that action.

LT talked Adam out of a confrontation and went on to depower an inanimate objective. An IG not being wielded.

It was his ruleing that the Gems could never work in unison unless he allowed it.

If the IG was more powerful then LT, his ruling would have been negated.

LT being more powerful then the Infinity Gems isn't even a question IMO.

Originally posted by Prof S.T.I.
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Whats an Infinity ? And whats the difference between a True Be-yonder, and the one Thanos recently manhandled ?

Is everyone too pretentious in here to answer a newbies question ?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I havent seen LT do anything more impressive either so im not sure how solid that logic is.

The One Above All is the only one more powerful than LT
LT was challenged by a deviant w/SB 😎

Originally posted by Prof S.T.I.
Is everyone too pretentious in here to answer a newbies question ?

i am reading my dictionary

true beyonders beyonder not the same
how it was written

thanos defeating the maker was ****

Originally posted by guy222
i am reading my dictionary

true beyonders beyonder not the same
how it was written

thanos defeating the maker was ****

And what language dictionary should i use to translate this ?

Originally posted by Galan007
Well by that statement, PC Superman=Infinites.

Afterall, he easily pulled planets out of orbit, and his sneeze destroyed a solar system.....

Do you see where I'm coming from? We both have our oppinions, but I beleive that the true Beyonders are more powerful then the Infinites.

Umm not exactly G cos it was the Infinites servants who shaped planets and solar systems. Not they themselves.

Originally posted by Galan007
We do know that LT>IG.

It was his ruleing that the Gems could never work in unison unless he allowed it.

If the IG was more powerful then LT, his ruling would have been negated.

LT being more powerful then the Infinity Gems isn't even a question IMO.

Precisely, in your opinion. LT talked Adam out of a confrontation, he stated that it would take a reality destroying confrontation for him to find out if he had the power to overpower Adam with the IG.

AFTER he guilt tripped Adam out of using the IG against him, LT ruled against an inanimate object. That does not prove LT is more powerful.

In the canon Ultraverse crossover and in the canon Avengers/JLA crossover the IG has since been used despite LTs ruling. So much for his ruling proving he was more powerful.

Im not saying he isnt. Im saying that instance isnt proof of it.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Umm not exactly G cos it was the Infinites servants who shaped planets and solar systems. Not they themselves.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
In teh canon Ultraverse crossover and in the canon Avengers/JLA crossover the IG has since been used despite LTs ruling. So much for his ruling proving he was more powerful.

Could it have been because LT said it couldn't be used?

But really whats the point of this portion of the debate? It's not what the topic at hand is.

Originally posted by Prof S.T.I.
And what language dictionary should i use to translate this ?

😆

got mine at the 99c store 😂

Originally posted by Galan007
Right, but SUPERMAN did this easily as well, so it's not that impressive to me. I'm not saying that the Infinites aren't badass, but using their servants feats isn't a good logic to go by. Tell me what they have done.

Well isnt that what you just did to try an illustrate how powerful you think the True Beyonders are? :

Originally posted by Galan007
The true Beyonders' mere experiments resulted in cosmic cubes. Even the Beyonder himself was nothing more then an Incomplete cosmic cube.

The Infinites just haven't been as impressive IMO.

Originally posted by Galan007
Why couldn't Warlock or Magus use the IG again?

Could it have been because LT said it couldn't be used?

But really whats the point of this portion of the debate? It's not what the topic at hand is.

They couldnt get it working cos LTs ruling was applied WHILE IT WAS INANIMATE AND NOT BEING OPERATED. Going back to my tank and fighter plane example. If someone mucked about with their inner workings regardless of how powerful they are, they just arent going to work are they?

Thats not a good example of LT being more powerful than the IG.

LT doubted himself on panel against the IG when it was being operated. He had to talk Adam out of using it against BEFORE he could apply his ruling.

Said ruling clearly wasnt a permamnent thing as illustrated by the subsequent canon use of the IG.

The Infinites were clearly far more powerful than Eternity. Only the likes of IG and Phoenix among a few others have conclusively shown to be so on panel. Therefore theyre top tier. Not necessarily any weaker or more powerful than the T B's but then the same goes the other way.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Infinites were clearly far more powerful than Eternity. Only the likes of IG and Phoenix among a few others have conclusively shown to be so on panel. Therefore theyre top tier. Not necessarily any weaker or more powerful than the T B's but then the same goes the other way.

Yet those cubes were nothing but experimentations of the true beyonders.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

In the canon Ultraverse crossover and in the canon Avengers/JLA crossover the IG has since been used despite LTs ruling. So much for his ruling proving he was more powerful.

Im not saying he isnt. Im saying that instance isnt proof of it.

Galactus used it in the Thanos mini aswell.

Any way : Is everyone too pretentious in here to answer a newbies question ?

Originally posted by Prof S.T.I.
Galactus used it in the Thanos mini aswell.

The gems powered a crux which he thought would cure his hunger, thats why he collected them.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

The Infinites were clearly far more powerful than Eternity. Only the likes of IG and Phoenix among a few others have conclusively shown to be so on panel. T

Thats ironic because the phoenix has never demonstrated such power, ON PANEL. Shes usually a mid rank cosmic character, i.e. on the same level as a G.L. She was killed by Magneto, don't you know ?

Originally posted by Galan007

The gems powered a crux which he thought would cure his hunger, thats why he collected them.

So you don't think they where powering the crux together (because they cant do that) ? Where some of them there just there for decoration, like the one he went to real efforts to acquire off Adam Warlock. That would make a lot of sense.

Originally posted by Prof S.T.I.
So you don't think they where powering the crux together (because they cant do that) ? Where some of them there just there for decoration, like the one he went to real efforts to acquire off Adam Warlock. That would make a lot of sense.

All I did was explain that Big G did nothing with the Gems, and I went on to explain his reasoning for obtaining them.

Originally posted by Galan007
I don't really understand what your saying.

All I did was explain that Big G did nothing with the Gems, and I went on to explain his reasoning for obtaining them.

I'm saying it was obvious that Galactus only collected the gems for decorations.

Originally posted by Galan007
Magus had either 5 or 6 cosmic cubes, and that was enough for him to easily create an alternate reality, and he was even going to merge that reality with the 616 reality using only the cosmic cubes, but that would have taken too much time for him.

Yet those cubes were nothing but experimentations of the true beyonders.

Certain past use of nuclear weapons can be deemed experimentation and field testing Galan does their destructive power reflect our own physical attributes? Galan, your logic isnt solid.

You've seen no showing of power from the True Beyonders and yet you would speculate that because their experiments were so powerful that they must also be ridiculously powerful. Not necessarily as ive just illustrated.

At least with the Infinites you have an impressive on panel demonstration of power. One on par with some of the IGs feats. The True Beyonders have nothing. Therefore your case is unsupported on panel.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Certain past use of nuclear weapons can be deemed experimentation and field testing Galan does their destructive power reflect our own physical attributes? Galan, your logic isnt solid.

No you're logic isn't solid, you're clearly suggesting that the cubes are more powerful than the beyonders.

A better analogy would be; a human creating a hamster wheel, to see if the hamster will use it. Are humans not alot more powerful than hamster wheels.