Originally posted by capt it up
It to bad I don;t read falcon or buy his comics or I show you issue numbers. if only it was the other way around lol. I ahve 100's of comics with warren in themFirst falcon was in war world two.
he got his wings about hmm think it was 5 years after the war or so. I know warren was not alive then
In the civil war file's it stated by iron man that Falcon is the best areal fighter then is and the best h2h comabnt in the air as well if I am not mistaken. He even says skill wise he my better.
This is the one time I can not show prove since I do not read falcon i actaully rather dislike his character, but I ldislike more when people think he some push over whne he clear is not. I don't think warren wins sicne really warren only advantage is agility.
He out done in skill, durability, speed and tatcical prowess. he also does not have any weapons.
also in the civl war file it says falocn wings had been up graded so know they were due to his mind if I am not mistaken and can due a number of things.
also I pritty sure he has control over birds as well.
This is a pretty lame argument on your part, capt.
Oh, about the sword. Warren was using that thing not two years ago, I believe. He also hasn't had many appearances lately, save for the X-Men Civil War tie-ins. If Warren doesn't get his sword, Sam doesn't get his weapons. That's like taking away Cap's shield if Wolverine gets to keep his claws and adamantium (since it in itself can be used as weapon [artificial knuckles]).
I'm looking up different bios for Sam, and none of them say that he got his wings so soon. I don't care about him being in WWII, but I don't see anything saying he got his wings five years afterwards. Being introduced in 1969 and without another date in which to correspond with, his wings were also introduced to him in 1969.
In fact, Sam could not have received his wings so soon. He was first introduced AFTER Captain America was unfrozen in 1964. 19 years after Cap was frozen. Which also means 19 years after WWII. And then Sam wasn't introduced until 1969.
Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. You're wrong.
Angel has much more experience with flying. He's the better and most efficient flyer. Falcon's advantages aren't much of a factor in this fight. Live with it.
Are you people kidding? No way does falc win! Angel has a healing factor, falcon doesnt. And I hate using the healingfactor card, but its true. Angel can fly higher than falc easily. All he need do is grab falc, and take him on a trip high into the stratusphere. Falc would suffocate far before angel, I guarantee it.
Originally posted by Muck101
Are you people kidding? No way does falc win! Angel has a healing factor, falcon doesnt. And I hate using the healingfactor card, but its true. Angel can fly higher than falc easily. All he need do is grab falc, and take him on a trip high into the stratusphere. Falc would suffocate far before angel, I guarantee it.
This is actually true, too.
Originally posted by Muck101
Also, angel has more muscle due to his avian biology. Lots of muscle packed together. I'd wager he's stronger than falc. Hollow bones give him more manuverability in the air.
I agree falcon a guy who might train more against angel a guy who was born with wings and has every physical advantage over falcon in the flying department.
Ok he might not have the same speed, yet he make it up with his manuverability.
Originally posted by Brutacus
I agree falcon a guy who might train more against angel a guy who was born with wings and has every physical advantage over falcon in the flying department.
Ok he might not have the same speed, yet he make it up with his manuverability.
How fast can Sam fly? Because Warren can reach speeds of 150 mph.
And can also reach an altitude (though this may not be his limit) of 10,000 feet with little effort.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Ah. That's impressive. I wasn't aware of that.Unfortunately, for Sam, however, this is not a race. Flying speed won't mean much in this fight, if any at all. Warren is still the superior aerial fighter.
Impressive nonetheless though.
Originally posted by capt it up
It to bad I don;t read falcon or buy his comics or I show you issue numbers. if only it was the other way around lol. I ahve 100's of comics with warren in themFirst falcon was in war world two.
he got his wings about hmm think it was 5 years after the war or so. I know warren was not alive then
Nah, Falcon was introduced around 1969, and he didn't get wings until the mid-70's, and they were quite primitive too (he could only use them for gliding and swooping). Angel's wings grew in his early or mid teens (around the late 50's early 60's).
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Ah. That's impressive. I wasn't aware of that.Unfortunately, for Sam, however, this is not a race. Flying speed won't mean much in this fight, if any at all. Warren is still the superior aerial fighter.
Impressive nonetheless though.
How can you say flying speed won't be a factor in this fight? Of course it will be. Speed is always a factor in a fight. In fact you were about to argue that Angel was faster, then when you found out he wsn't you said Flying speed won't be a factor.
I too was not aware Falcon was faster than Angel. You'd think the natural flyer would be faster.
Originally posted by nimbus006
How can you say flying speed won't be a factor in this fight? Of course it will be. Speed is always a factor in a fight. In fact you were about to argue that Angel was faster, then when you found out he wsn't you said Flying speed won't be a factor.I too was not aware Falcon was faster than Angel. You'd think the natural flyer would be faster.
No no, you took what I said out of context. But that's okay, it was kind of confusing. 🙂
Speed is essential to victory, but not the kind of speed you're referring to. I'm refering to quickness, agility, reflexes, and combat speed. You're referring to straightforward, in-a-race-to-the-finish speed; who can get to a destination faster.
Angel has the advantage in all of those except for the straightforward speed. And since this isn't a race, Falcon's straightfoward speed advantage won't really prove to be beneficial in this fight. He doesn't move anywhere near fast enough to not be seen. Plus, Angel has superhuman sight, part of his mutation. Know what I mean?
Originally posted by BetaRayBill
hmm... maybe it's just me but last time I checked Falcon had telepathy over all birds not just Redwing, so if Sam gets to use his telepathy to call for assistance Angels in for one tough fight... otherwise I think Warren will take it more times than not.
"Help me my avian brothers"
*Angel get's devoured by birds*
"Hah , and I didn't even need Hudlin to do it" !
Originally posted by grey fox
"Help me my avian brothers"*Angel get's devoured by birds*
"Hah , and I didn't even need Hudlin to do it" !
Haha! I wouldn't even doubt that something like that could happen, since Angel gets such little respect on the Marvel Universe. I mean, I know he's not hella powerful, but still. He can get the job done, nonetheless.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Ah. That's impressive. I wasn't aware of that.Unfortunately, for Sam, however, this is not a race. Flying speed won't mean much in this fight, if any at all. Warren is still the superior aerial fighter.
Impressive nonetheless though.