Originally posted by capt it up
warren is not the superior areal fight like I said falcon is the superior figher in the air even iron man has stated this fact
When did Iron Man state that? And for that matter, when has Iron Man fought Warren or seen his abilities?
Sam is the superior fighter on the ground. No one's debating that. Warren, however, is the superior flyer and the superior aerial fighter.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
When did Iron Man state that? And for that matter, when has Iron Man fought Warren or seen his abilities?Sam is the superior fighter on the ground. No one's debating that. Warren, however, is the superior flyer and the superior aerial fighter.
He also been mention by capt as being so as well.
so to say warrenten is the superior arial fighter is false.
Originally posted by capt it up
Iron man stated him self in falcon civil war file that falcon is the most skilled and best arial fighter.He also been mention by capt as being so as well.
so to say warrenten is the superior arial fighter is false.
That's like saying that if I didn't know what a firehose was I could say that the toaster is the best device to put out a fire.
Without the other variable with which to compare, it doesn't hold much validity.
And of course the writers would have Iron Man and Cap would say that about Sam. He's pretty active in the Civil War right now. Angel's been out of the spotlight for a long time now, and it seems they're not going to be bringing him back into it any time soon.
I seem to recall that you still haven't proved that Sam can fly without holding onto his wings. I've looked up many pictures of him, and I don't believe I ever saw him flying without holding onto his wings somehow (even the hard-light ones). Warren, on the other hand, has a distinct advantage there, being able to fly and fight with his hands at the same time.
Are you really going to make me bring up all this stuff agian?
"Flight is as natural for Archangel as it is for a bird and he's been heavily trained by Professor X, especially in mastering his flight indoors. His agility while flying appears unmatched in the Marvel Universe, and he's been seen several times defeating other superbeings much faster than him (like the Human Torch) by dodging them and having them smash against the ground or a wall at full speed. The strength in his natural wings can easily break a man's arm or leg, or even project someone through a wall."
I'd hate to receive a wing-shot from Warren. Broken bones all over the place for Sam.
And then there's the SUPERHUMAN endurance as well. He can keep flying and fighting all day if he wants. Sam will fatigue just like any other human of athletic variety.
And why do you seem to keep ignoring the healing factor? Sure, it's not Wolverine's, but it's still plenty good.
Decently good healing factor >>>>>>>>>>>>>> No healing factor. 😐
Originally posted by Metalmanx
No no, you took what I said out of context. But that's okay, it was kind of confusing. 🙂Speed is essential to victory, but not the kind of speed you're referring to. I'm refering to quickness, agility, reflexes, and combat speed. You're referring to straightforward, in-a-race-to-the-finish speed; who can get to a destination faster.
Angel has the advantage in all of those except for the straightforward speed. And since this isn't a race, Falcon's straightfoward speed advantage won't really prove to be beneficial in this fight. He doesn't move anywhere near fast enough to not be seen. Plus, Angel has superhuman sight, part of his mutation. Know what I mean?
Yea i see what your saying... your referring more to quickness/reaction time/agility. Which are all extremely important factors of a fight. 🙂
However, str8 forward speed can also be a very signifcant factor in a brawl. Think about speedblitzing, think of escaping a dangerous situation or getting away from an opponent to regain tactical position, how about catching an enemy if their trying to get away. Their are many circumstances that str8 forward speed could be a great advantge in a fight. 😛
Originally posted by nimbus006
Yea i see what your saying... your referring more to quickness/reaction time/agility. Which are all extremely important factors of a fight. 🙂However, str8 forward speed can also be a very signifcant factor in a brawl. Think about speedblitzing, think of escaping a dangerous situation or getting away from an opponent to regain tactical position, how about catching an enemy if their trying to get away. Their are many circumstances that str8 forward speed could be a great advantge in a fight. 😛
While I agree with your assessment, I also feel that it would be more beneficial for Sam against a different kind of opponent. Sam can't move anywhere near fast enough to prove too difficult for Warren to still dodge with ease. Sure, if Sam moved at Mach 1, then things would be different. But 250 mph is fast, but not fast enough to catch Angel off-guard. Especially when he has faster reflexes, better agility, he's quicker, and more experienced with flying than Sam will pretty much ever be.
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