Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
What are you talking about, your the one that said ebonics keeps people from understanding "outsiders" or each other. And, as it was said before, they are only unfimilair to you because [B]YOU DON'T KNOW THEM. So, how is it a language barrier if you don't even want to associate yourself with people who speak ebonics? [/B]
Ebonics keeps people from understanding outsiders.
What are you talking about? I said speaking slang keeps those, who do not understand it out.
Not keeping those who speak slang incompetent to outsiders.
Personally I like slang, one just have to know when and when not to use it.
Originally posted by heru
Ebonics keeps people from understanding outsiders.What are you talking about? I said speaking slang keeps those, who do not understand it out.
And like I said, what's the point if your not even going to speak to the these so called "Outsiders" in the first place.
Originally posted by heruPersonally I like slang, one just have to know when and when not to use it.
I already made a point about that earlier.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
but why would they wanna keep them out?
Same reason why one who speaks Spanish and English. Decides to speak Spanish in front of one of there peers.
1. It's more comfortable for the two, to engage in there native tongue
2. To throw a person off, who do not speak spanish when talking about them
3. To keep a confidential conversation, if there in a area where no one speaks spanish.
Originally posted by heru
Same reason why one who speaks Spanish and English. Decides to speak Spanish in front of one of there peers.1. It's more comfortable for the two, to engage in there native tongue
2. To throw a person off, who do not speak spanish when talking about them
3. To keep a confidential conversation, if there in a area where no one speaks spanish.
1. And that's bad, why?
2. That depends on the person.
3. wouldn't that fit in as #2 also?
[QUOTE=8036196]Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
[B]
And like I said, what's the point if your not even going to speak to the these so called "Outsiders" in the first place.
I never said I wouldn't speak to outsiders. I just wouldn't speak slang to them, because they may not understand me. Now if they speak it first, then it will let me know that they understand.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar'a creole language' as a phrase means the combination of two languages, in which pronunciations of words as well as grammar structures can easily be mixed. So the actual language Creole is more than likely a creole language itself, and therefore it doesn't count, because it has two origin languages.
Creole does, so, again your wrong, it's a dialect.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, not to piss in anybody's bowl, but the actual definition of the word kinda disagrees.http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Dialects
http://www.peak.org/~jeremy/dictionary/chapters/accents.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialect
Sorry.
[edit]Basically what I want to say, if you don't want to accept it as dialect (or variety of English) you'd have to accept it as language. It's one or the other.
Originally posted by lil bitchinessI don't feel like it's a language or a dialect, it's glorified jargon.
I don't accept it as either, and I don't have to.
Originally posted by heruI never said I wouldn't speak to outsiders. I just wouldn't speak slang to them, because they may not understand me. Now if they speak it first, then it will let me know that they understand.
This is what you said:
Originally posted by heru
Do you go out on the streets everyday, and introduce yourself to every person you see? ❌ Just because someone tells you there name, does not mean you no them.
Meaning you would not approach them at all.
Originally posted by Strangelove
I don't feel like it's a language or a dialect, it's glorified jargon.
Because you dislike it, doesn't mean it is not a dialect. You have yet to explain why it's not a dialect, and FYI some forms of ebonics incorporate words from other languages as well, just like creole.
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarIt's not the fact that I dislike it that I discount it as a dialect. I dislike it at the same time that I discount it as a 'dialect' or 'accent.' Like I just said, it's glorified jargon
Because you dislike it, doesn't mean it is not a dialect. You have yet to explain why it's not a dialect, and FYI some forms of ebonics incorporate words from other languages as well.
Originally posted by Strangelove
It's not the fact that I dislike it that I discount it as a dialect. I dislike it at the same time that I discount it as a 'dialect' or 'accent.' Like I just said, it's glorified jargon
No, you said it is not a dialect. You did not say that you do not feel it is not a dialect. If you don't feel it's a dialect, then fine, we can end this debate here. But, claiming it is not one is a whole different agenda.again, how is it not a dialect, what disqualifies it from being a dialect?