Originally posted by TricksterPriestWhen I see a foe actually beat Thor using superior speed, you might have the ability to call upon others to prove what you ask for. Because every speedster he's fought, he's beaten with his power and Mjolnir.
Speed is still a huge weakness for Thor until proven otherwise. I'm not sure who wins this, since I'm not up on Majestic, and according to Boardwalker, he's gotten a few upgrades that aren't in his respect thread.
Originally posted by batdude123So could Surfer, Gladiator and Hyperion. But they never "owned" classic Thor. Nonetheless, the speed argument here is better than it is for Superman. Majestic has a few bonefied on-panel nanosecond battle feats. He also appears to have a strength advantage, having moved planets. And enough intelligence to use his powers to manipulate matter. Majestic is herald level in my book.
Okay, anyway, Majestic wins this considering he's too fast for Thor. He can think in between nanoseconds and can fly ftl. Put those two qualities together, and Thor gets owned by a speeding barrage of punches.
But as previous pages have pointed out, it appears his durability is not quite up to par. He can't take being inside the sun without transmuting his body. Classic Thor himself has fought inside the sun. And classic Thor has knocked Surfer out, who arguably is the peak of non-Abstract durability. But tough battle. Speed advantage. Strength advantage. Weaker durability. Some magic resistance. Hmm. Written right, I think classic Thor vs. Majestic...
Split 5/10. The key for classic Thor here, and it usually is in most of his fights, is Mjolnir.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So could Surfer, Gladiator and Hyperion. But they never "owned" classic Thor.
1. Surfer has never speed blitzed Thor, nor does he ever.
2. Hyperion didn't speed blitz Thor either.
3. The only time Gladiator legitimately blitzed Thor, Thor got his ass kicked, and had to resort to outside interference to pull the win only after Gladiator stopped his assault.
I've taken the liberty of ignoring the rest of your post, because this is the only thing worthy of being addressed.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
When I see a foe actually beat Thor using superior speed, you might have the ability to call upon others to prove what you ask for. Because every speedster he's fought, he's beaten with his power and Mjolnir.
So could Surfer, Gladiator and Hyperion. But they never "owned" classic Thor. Nonetheless, the speed argument here is better than it is for Superman. Majestic has a few bonefied on-panel nanosecond battle feats. He also appears to have a strength advantage, having moved planets. And enough intelligence to use his powers to manipulate matter. Majestic is herald level in my book.But as previous pages have pointed out, it appears his durability is not quite up to par. He can't take being inside the sun without transmuting his body. Classic Thor himself has fought inside the sun. And classic Thor has knocked Surfer out, who arguably is the peak of non-Abstract durability. But tough battle. Speed advantage. Strength advantage. Weaker durability. Some magic resistance. Hmm. Written right, I think classic Thor vs. Majestic...
Split 5/10. The key for classic Thor here, and it usually is in most of his fights, is Mjolnir.
Excuse me? His durability sucks cause he had to transmute himself in order to stay in the sun two weeks? whatdur For a non-solar powered character, that's an impressive feat. 2nd, Thor was using Mjolnir to protect himself, or it wasn't as bad in that sphere made by Atum. Either way, Majestic's feat is superior.
Majestic has beaten Eradicator, a foe I would consider equal to Surfer.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Excuse me? His durability sucks cause he had to transmute himself in order to stay in the sun two weeks? whatdur For a non-solar powered character, that's an impressive feat. 2nd, Thor was using Mjolnir to protect himself, or it wasn't as bad in that sphere made by Atum. Either way, Majestic's feat is superior.Majestic has beaten Eradicator, a foe I would consider equal to Surfer.
Thor's beaten Mangog, a foe I would consider superior to Majestic?
I still think Majestic wins, but that Logic doesn't cover it.
Originally posted by batdude1231. If that's your opinion, let's assume for the sake of argument and move on.
1. Surfer has never speed blitzed Thor, nor does he ever.2. Hyperion didn't speed blitz Thor either.
3. The only time Gladiator legitimately blitzed Thor, Thor got his ass kicked, and had to resort to outside interference to pull the win only after Gladiator stopped his assault.
I've taken the liberty of ignoring the rest of your post, because this is the only thing worthy of being addressed.
2. If that's your opinion, let's assume for the sake of argument and move on.
3. Thor was holding back the entire time until the end. He didn't start fighting for real until Gladiator's fight with him endangered a plane full of people and he lost his patience. Please don't mischaracterize the fight. Especially when I already posted scans of this in the Thor vs. Superman thread. Here they are again:
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Your argument is that Thor's weakness is a speedblitz. Fact: Anytime classic Thor fought speedsters, he won. You also believe that Thor has never faced a speedblitz. Well then answer me this, "If Thor has historically beaten all speedsters he has ever faced, how do you know Thor would ever be beaten by a speedblitz if he never actually even faced one?" You have no proof that Thor would be beaten by a speedblitz, because in your opinion, he has never faced one in his career. You assume he would be, even though he never has. You also assume he would, even though 1) he has faced speedsters several times and used his power and Mjolnir to overcome the speed advantage; and 2) he has proven on-panel FTL battle reflexes.
I don't mind addressing every single one of your points, because they fail. Utterly.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestYes. Majestic cannot exist inside the sun without transmuting himself into something else entirely. I don't recall Thor ever using Mjolnir to protect himself while they were fighting inside the sun. And the most obvious problem with your assertion, "Why would Atum protect Thor in a sphere when they were fighting each other?" Majestic's feat is in no way superior when even he admits on-panel that he could not take being inside the sun.
Excuse me? His durability sucks cause he had to transmute himself in order to stay in the sun two weeks? whatdur For a non-solar powered character, that's an impressive feat. 2nd, Thor was using Mjolnir to protect himself, or it wasn't as bad in that sphere made by Atum. Either way, Majestic's feat is superior.Majestic has beaten Eradicator, a foe I would consider equal to Surfer.
And Majestic beat Eradicator by reprogramming him with his eye beams. Using such a method is in no way comparable to the beatdowns that Thor has given Surfer through sheer force and combat.
enyalus showed some great feats for majestic in his debate with smurph. his speed/combat feats are pretty amazing. he's certainly a herald leveller. question still remains regarding his durability i think. at one time i'd have given thor a solid majority. now i'm more inclined to think of this as closer to a split. 😬
