darth revan and darth traya vs darth vader and darth sidious

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Vader can hang with Traya as far as force powers go, and crush her in lightsaber combat with one, maybe two swings.

Sidious is more powerful than Revan, or any other Sith.

They win this.

I dont think vader could hang with traya in force power rember her skill to fight with 3 light sabers

yes vader can, he destroyed tanks as large as an AT-AT on the battlefield and choked some one a very far distance away from him when he is not even there (TESB).
And lightsaber? vader can just use the force to destory them, if he can shred blast doors apart couldnt he do the same to the 3 floating lightsabers

By the way vader was shown using force flight, check the star wars panel to panel book, They showed him flying like superman

Originally posted by Kadesh
yes vader can, he destroyed tanks as large as an AT-AT on the battlefield and choked some one a very far distance away from him when he is not even there (TESB).
And lightsaber? vader can just use the force to destory them, if he can shred blast doors apart couldnt he do the same to the 3 floating lightsabers

By the way vader was shown using force flight, check the star wars panel to panel book, They showed him flying like superman

Vader may be able to kill Traya but what if Revan fought Vader instead

If Traya has Instakill, then Revan and her can win.

If she doesn't, then Vader kills Traya while Revan and Sidious are still fighting. Finally, Vader and Sidious gang up on Revan and kill him.

This instakill is highly overrated. Palpatine has the force drain ability, too, and he's MUCH better with it.

One question, where is Palpatine shown doing the force drain, or where is it detailed? Don't worry, this isn't me asking you to prove it because I believe it, I'm just curious.

Originally posted by darthpayne
Vader may be able to kill Traya but what if Revan fought Vader instead

Ok seriously as much as i love vader, revan would beat him after a long fight and i mean a long fight, Despite being a powerful sith lord i doubt vader goes down that easy.

But since sidious is the smart ass im sure he would plan the battle. he knows vader would lose to revan so he himself will face revan while vader faces traya

@Sexyback

palapatine did it to byss, he drained them group by group and it was before DE, when he was a spirit i think,

Anyways i wonder where did this come from? Wookie i know it did but wheres the source?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
This instakill is highly overrated. Palpatine has the force drain ability, too, and he's MUCH better with it.

As of DE Sidious was better with it perhaps, but I don't think he's as good as her as of this fight. For example, why didn't her just drain the three Jedi with Mace in ROTS and get even more power instead of waste their energy by killing them with his lightsaber?

Rember this is ROTS Sidious

Good question, Glentract. Probably because George Lucas doesn't even know there's a technique that can drain someone of life, or that to use the force as such would remove the mask Palpatine had up...or it was more satisfying to kill them up close and personal

Originally posted by Sexyback
One question, where is Palpatine shown doing the force drain, or where is it detailed? Don't worry, this isn't me asking you to prove it because I believe it, I'm just curious.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Good question, Glentract. Probably because George Lucas doesn't even know there's a technique that can drain someone of life,

Not an acceptable excuse. You can't use real world things as an explanation for something in-universe.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
or that to use the force as such would remove the mask Palpatine had up...or it was more satisfying to kill them up close and personal

What mask? The Jedi already knew he was evil. And you can't say that it being more fun to kill them with his saber is proof that he had the technique but decideed not to use it. Until you show proof that he had it, it's logical to assume that he does not.

I don't mean to assume too much, but Sidious might not have wanted to kill them outright so that Anakin would see the battle and be converted to the dark side. I don't want to start a fight on that, though.

Anyway, Vader and Sidious take this. The instakill ability is not definite. Vader is a MUCH more powerful Force-user than whom the instakill was used on. If people can argue in the Vader vs. Dooku thread that Dooku can block Force Choke even though we've never seen it blocked, I argue here that Vader can block the instakill.

Hey, why doesn't Vader use Force Crush? That'd immobilize her. It's practically as definite as an instakill.

Anyway, Vader probably beats Traya in the Force due to his Dark Side mastery. If it even gets to a duel, Vader rips Traya into tiny pieces of cauterized flesh and bone. Then he goes over to help his master; Revan/Sidious is going to be a longer fight either way. Then Vader kills the already weakened Palpatine and claims the title of Emperor for himself. He converts Luke to the Dark Side in the end, gaining a new apprentice, and with the help of his son, overcomes his limitations to reach his full potential. The Empire reigns supreme. When the Yuuzhan Vong invade, the mighty Empire crushes them with a series of victories. The galaxy belongs to the Chosen One and his son.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
He studied Tulak's secrets. Thats how!

Great. Doesn't mean that he mastered them to Tulak's level. Period!

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Not an acceptable excuse. You can't use real world things as an explanation for something in-universe.

What mask? The Jedi already knew he was evil. And you can't say that it being more fun to kill them with his saber is proof that he had the technique but decideed not to use it. Until you show proof that he had it, it's logical to assume that he does not.

Sidious in Rise of Darth Vader: "The Sith grew past the use of lightsabers. But we continue to make use of them, if only to humiliate the Jedi."

Perhaps that is an indication as to why, for the most part, he engaged Jedi with a lightsaber first and foremost (but, notice, with everyone else, he goes straight to the Lightning or the Force).

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Sure you can. Why can't you?

Because real world events have no standing in EU.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Ok, why didn't he use lightning from the start? Or TK?
And when I say 'mask', I mean the literal mask....IE, the covering of his real face. And Sith much prefer to kill enemies viscerally.

I don't know why he didn't use lightning or TK. However, I'm not arguing that Sidious couldn't use TK or lightning to kill someone. There's evidence showing that he could. There isn't evidence that he could kill three of the Jedi's Order's most powerful members with it though. What you said about the mask does make more sense though.

i say sidious defeats raven, since he defeated three jedi masters easily, so raven killed mandelor the ultimate, mace windu killed jango fett, how do we know if jango is not even better, didnt his son become the leader of the mandelorians, and wasnt jango himself one of the top leaders, jango himself got owned by windu, and windu would have lost to sidious if sidious hasnt thrown the fight, and you all can say thats bull but use your common sense, sidious loses to windu then in a few more chapters he's stalemating yoda who is better then windu..........not logical less he threw the fight.........especially from a kick to the face, ive never seen anyone lose in starwars from a simple kick to the face, and obi wan gets kicked in the face plenty through out the whole movie series.

mace was sidious equal, and that kick to the face caught sidious off guard and he dropped his lightsaber after mace broke his window

Originally posted by Mider999
i say sidious defeats raven, since he defeated three jedi masters easily, so raven killed mandelor the ultimate, mace windu killed jango fett, how do we know if jango is not even better, didnt his son become the leader of the mandelorians, and wasnt jango himself one of the top leaders, jango himself got owned by windu, and windu would have lost to sidious if sidious hasnt thrown the fight, and you all can say thats bull but use your common sense, sidious loses to windu then in a few more chapters he's stalemating yoda who is better then windu..........not logical less he threw the fight.........especially from a kick to the face, ive never seen anyone lose in starwars from a simple kick to the face, and obi wan gets kicked in the face plenty through out the whole movie series.

Also Jango Fett was over-run by that heavy beast and he got injured in the process. His Jet Pack failed to start and Mace destroyed him. If Jango Fett would be in perfect shape and form, then situation would have been different.

Mandalore - The Ultimate was the leader of millions of Mandalorians and now you can imagine his power. And he was in perfect form when he faced Revan.

Their is big difference between these two cases.

And Kadesh is right that Mace's kick unbalanced Sidious and his Light Saber went out of the window. Too bad for Sidious! I mean his reaction after that was hilarious. 😄