Originally posted by Lord S
2. Hulk was not forced to become a Horseman. Apoc was talking down at him all throughout the issue, for sure, but Hulk stood there and listened to what he had to say, not even making any attempt to escape. He willingly became War.
Apocalypse told him that he won't tolerate Hulk anymore, if he attakc him again. Hulk tehn calemd down.
He didn't need to force him, he knew Hulk is stupid and would brainwash him, which he did actully.
Originally posted by Lucid Lui
How so?
Or how so Hulk would defeat him? Hulk has strenght, that is it, Apocalypse has far more than that and possibly even his strenght could match Hulk and of course durability and is far smarter.
I just say, go to Apocalypse Respect thread and download that from filefront and that is it, ok?
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/366884_3-respect-apocalypse
I won't argue anymore, just go read it, for all of you who are interested and not anymore talking just from your mind.
Originally posted by XplosiveJust like it was 616 Apocalypse during House of M that got wiped out by a Black Bolt whisper.
It was 616 Hulk during Heroes Reborn.
Originally posted by XplosiveSo why do people like you talk as though Apoc physically dominated him and forced him to become a Horseman?
Apocalypse told him that he won't tolerate Hulk anymore, if he attakc him again. Hulk tehn calemd down.
He didn't need to force him, he knew Hulk is stupid and would brainwash him, which he did actully.
Originally posted by XplosiveUnder normal conditions even Dr. Doom would have his way with the Hulk, using the same tactics Apocalypse would employ, ie. using his mind. In a purely physical contest, Hulk would eventually overpower Apoc.
And not using like Lord S, under normal conditions Hulk would mop flour with him, based on what. And Lord S is hater of Apocalyse like mider of LT.
Under normal conditions Apocalypse would easily destroy Hulk.
Also, I'm not a hater of Apocalypse...you on the other hand are so in love with the character that it clouds your vision.
Originally posted by Lord S
Just like it was 616 Apocalypse during House of M that got wiped out by a Black Bolt whisper.So why do people like you talk as though Apoc physically dominated him and forced him to become a Horseman?
Under normal conditions even Dr. Doom would have his way with the Hulk, using the same tactics Apocalypse would employ, ie. using his mind. In a purely physical contest, Hulk would eventually overpower Apoc.
Also, I'm not a hater of Apocalypse...you on the other hand are so in love with the character that it clouds your vision.
That's a blatent mischaracterization. That was not Apoc in House of M. That was a construct based on Wanda's characterization, and the real Apoc has beaten BB, the inhuman royal family and X-factor at the same time before.
Apoc could easily physically dominate him, what part of unlimited stamina do you not get? Eventually even the hulk gets fatigued. Not to mention energy absorbtion and his molecular control of his body.
I recoqnize, good sir, when a character has been beaten by blatent PIS&CIS. You on the other hand, look at those same PIS&CIS showings, and claim that Apocalypse wasn't jobbed and that he really is at that level of power. You ignore any evidence to the contrary, be it scans, other member's testimony, and even the direct comic book evidence itself of Apocalypse's power.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestSo I suppose all of the other characters featured in 'House of M' were also merely constructs of Wanda, right? Their memories were altered...yes, but their powers and abilities remained the same...why would those be different?
That's a blatent mischaracterization. That was not Apoc in House of M. That was a construct based on Wanda's characterization, and the real Apoc has beaten BB, the inhuman royal family and X-factor at the same time before.
Understand that it was not a different reality...it was 616. Read UXM 462-465...where Wanda's Chaos Wave is clearly identified as originating from Universe-616.
Apoc could easily physically dominate him,And you base this on what?
what part of unlimited stamina do you not get?What part of 'hyperbole' do you not get? There's no such thing as unlimited. I look at his 'unlimited stamina' the same way I do his uncanny ability to 'grant himself whatever power he chooses'...which has also never been verified on panel, BTW.
Eventually even the hulk gets fatigued.Show one instance of him getting tired in a time period shorter than it would take to hand Apoc his ass.
I can appreciate your ability to read bios...but without conclusive on-panel evidence to back it up, it's worthless.
Not to mention energy absorbtion and his molecular control of his body.Yadda, yadda, yadda...yet little Jean Grey was able to pry his organic mask off, exposing his human face. Oh wait let me guess...that was CIS and PIS!!1 Of course.
I recoqnize, good sir, when a character has been beaten by blatent PIS&CIS.But your viewpoint is already skewed with bias...so EVERY loss will be interpreted as PIS/CIS.
You on the other hand, look at those same PIS&CIS showings, and claim that Apocalypse wasn't jobbed and that he really is at that level of power. You ignore any evidence to the contrary, be it scans, other member's testimony, and even the direct comic book evidence itself of Apocalypse's power.Untrue.
I give the character his due against the likes of Ikaris, and Loki (even though he need help from Caliban), and the fact that he was able to take out the X-Men's B-team...but one-on-one in a purely physical contest against the Hulk...he's got his hands full.
Originally posted by Lord S
I give the character his due against the likes of Ikaris, and Loki (even though he need help from Caliban), and the fact that he was able to take out the X-Men's B-team...but one-on-one in a purely physical contest against the Hulk...he's got his hands full.
Why do you exaggarate against Loki, even before Caliban came, he was having the upper hand. Before Caliban came, Loki crashed into his head, Apocalypse was smilling, while Loki had actully pain on his back due to his face and was holding his back.
Then Caliban came, there was no help from Caliban in the actual fight. They trapped him, Loki saved himself and escaped, left.
Loki manipulated many others, but couldn't do anything to Apocalypse.
Originally posted by Lord S
Just like it was 616 Apocalypse during House of M that got wiped out by a Black Bolt whisper.True Apocalypse was dead, literally.
[QUOTE=8026683]Originally posted by Lord S
[B]So why do people like you talk as though Apoc physically dominated him and forced him to become a Horseman?
Once again turning my words, like usually, while it is seen in my quote that Apocalypse actully brainwashed him (like talking him into) and not forced him.
And in that fight, he still did better, no matter what you say, dominated him, no, but quickly made him standstill and Hulk couldn't do anything, could that even been said dominated, to make someone in that position so quickly, maby it could be said even, some kind of domination.
When you see how quickly made Hulk where he wanted him to be, like it wasn't a fight, because how quickly and Apocalypse did what he wanted (it looked like not some fight because of that, while Hulk wanted to fight), yes, maby could be said in some words domiantion.
Originally posted by Lord S
are so in love with the character that it clouds your vision.
Is that why you are turning my words over and over again.
Apocalypse did better of Hulk in confrotation, but would Hulk or should deaft him in pure phyical contest, yes, he should. But would I be suprised, if Apocalypse would beat him also in pure physical contest, no, I wouldn't ne, based that his power should offer him to increase his strengt potentially limitless (and he should increase his strenght quicker then Hulk based on his anger), ok, but that are words, that is why I say, Hulk should win, but if they would write him to really increase his strenght as it is said he is capable, then I wouldn't be surprised at all, if Apocalypse would overpower him also physically.