Originally posted by Howard_Jones
No.Hulk is strongest there is isn't a mantra. It's a fact, and it's been established.
Look, Howard_Jones, don't do that. You quoted me,
Originally posted by Xplosive Apocalypse would overpower him also physically.while I said
Originally posted by Xplosive then I wouldn't be surprised at all, if Apocalypse would overpower him also physically.
So, somehow, again like turning my words.
And to correct you, no, Hulk is not the strongest there is.
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
So, you think Apoc is stronger?
Originally posted by Xplosive
that is why I say, Hulk should win, but if they would write him to really increase his strenght as it is said he is capable, then I wouldn't be surprised at all, if Apocalypse would overpower him also physically.
That is what I said.
Hulk is stronger.
And Hulk isn't strongest there is.
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Never heard of Hulk Hulk.
Mistake I edited, and wasn't really worth mentioning.
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Anywho, aside from abstracts and such, Hulk is the strongest hero in comics. That's essentially what the phrase means.
So, that already means, not the strongest there is, right?.
Hulk did defeat Gladiator, but are his strenght feats beyond that of Gladiator, I don't think so.
Galactus is not an abstract, as are not Celestails.
Could someone like Odin level and above increase their srenght to go beyond that of Hulk, probably.
I have no doubt that Cyttorak could, since Juggernaut who has fraction of his powers, is somehow match for Hulk strenght.
But about being the strongest of heros, he surely is among top, as he probably goes beyond that of Silver Surfer and such, but I am not sure about Gladiator, who physically defeated Ego.
I don't remember ever seeing Gladiator beat Ego. However, Hulk does have feats that do make Gladiator look pretty bad, such as a clash that sent shockwaves through multiple realities, grabbing timestreams and certain types of energy and pulling them apart, and then there's the smashing of something twice the size of a planet.
Originally posted by Howard_Jonesyeah glads to ego out man....but who Cares? hes still a push-over.
I don't remember ever seeing Gladiator beat Ego. However, Hulk does have feats that do make Gladiator look pretty bad, such as a clash that sent shockwaves through multiple realities, grabbing timestreams and certain types of energy and pulling them apart, and then there's the smashing of something twice the size of a planet.
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
I don't remember ever seeing Gladiator beat Ego. However, Hulk does have feats that do make Gladiator look pretty bad, such as a clash that sent shockwaves through multiple realities, grabbing timestreams and certain types of energy and pulling them apart, and then there's the smashing of something twice the size of a planet.
Gladiator also teared planed into dust.
Didn't he also tear star apart or only went through it, I don't remember?
And defeating Ego is a big deal.
Originally posted by Xplosive
Gladiator also teared planed into dust.
Didn't he also tear star apart or only went through it, I don't remember?
And defeating Ego is a big deal.
Well, Glads has the proper powerset for it. So did Thor and Beta Ray Bill (though Bill beat him twice in the same issue). I do remember Gladiator pushing planets and such like they were nothing, but I don't remember if he tore a star apart. I'll go look for the scans.
The only reason Hulk can't do that sort of thing is because of lack of powerset.
I'll tell you a few guys stronger than Hulk. Morg with waters of life seems more powerful, Tyrant, Thanos, Apoc (properly written as Xplosive said, he is probably in the top 4 or 5 mutants on earth, maybe top 3), Gladiator is dicey, Drax? (not sure, but yes with power gem), RK Thor (some people say even classic Thor trumps Hulk)...... I can keep doing this for awhile. potentially any herald can boost their power to the level of Hulk. Not sure if eternals can go that far outside of Thanos. Btw, Apocalypse beat Ikaris, an eternal elder, so tell me, could Hulk do that?
Well, Apocalypse can increase his strength by drawing upon outside energy sources. As such, he is capable of lifting far in excess of 100 tons. Much like the Hulk can in his enraged state.
I'm not saying Apocalypse would trash around the Hulk like a rag doll, however, I do see him be able to challenge the Hulk, perhaps to an extent stalemate him, as he can keep tapping into energy sources.
both of them have potentially limitless strength, but apocalypse has many more powers. his healing factor isnt great but he is more durable. as hulk gets stronger he gets dumber, apocalypse is always as intelligent, size shifting, forming ranged and melee weapons, teleporting and more. apocalypse should win fairly easy.