He's gonna need alot more then an Izuna Drop, Vega can do the same thing and even has the same name (Actually Vega had the Izuna Drop first) and I don't see him beating Ryu. And It looks to me that with out the hand signs, he can only teleport short distances, not to mention that teleportation is almost useless if you can sense chi.
Originally posted by Triple Six
He's gonna need alot more then an Izuna Drop, Vega can do the same thing and even has the same name (Actually Vega had the Izuna Drop first) and I don't see him beating Ryu. And It looks to me that with out the hand signs, he can only teleport short distances, not to mention that teleportation is almost useless if you can sense chi.
Right...you're just making that up.
Vega is no where near Hayabusa's league, so don't compare them. For starters Hayabusa can Izuna drop people off bridges and the like.
It does not matter if you can sense chi or not, the teleportation is very handy.
Originally posted by Triple Six
He's gonna need alot more then an Izuna Drop, Vega can do the same thing and even has the same name (Actually Vega had the Izuna Drop first) and I don't see him beating Ryu. And It looks to me that with out the hand signs, he can only teleport short distances, not to mention that teleportation is almost useless if you can sense chi.
You brought up the chi sensing ability in Kasumi/Ayane vs Geese/Krauser too. How exactly will chi sensing help when teleportation works instantly? Defensively, Hayabusa can essentially null any attack of Ryu's simply by teleporting. Offensively, Hayabusa's teleports afford him almost the same attacking options as Kasumi's does...
Originally posted by StyleTimeHayabusa's and Vega's Izuna Drop do the same damn thing, only Vega doesn't teleport or spin, but it's the same damn move. Now Hadouken and a Gadouken are 2 different moves with obvious differences in appearance and damage.
Comparing Vega's Izuna Drop to Hayabusa's Izuna Drop is akin to comparing Dan's Hadouken to Ryu's Hadouken.You brought up the chi sensing ability in Kasumi/Ayane vs Geese/Krauser too. How exactly will chi sensing help when teleportation works [B]instantly
? Defensively, Hayabusa can essentially null any attack of Ryu's simply by teleporting. Offensively, Hayabusa's teleports afford him almost the same attacking options as Kasumi's does... [/B]
Also, there isn't much point in teleporting when your opponent can tell were you are or know were your gonna be as soon as you finish. Hayabusa can not attack and teleport at the same time, so while teleporting he is doing no damage, thus getting no where in the fight.
And Ryu can obliterate opponents with normal Hadoukens when he's serious about killing some one. Hayabusa is out done in this one.
Wow...
I did tell you that Ryu can Izuna Drop people off bridges and the like...that alone makes Ryu's version more dangerous than Vega's. Not to mention Vega is not in Hayabusa's league.
...The teleport will still allow Hayabusa the ability to keep himself from harm, so while you claim it will lead Haya no where in the fight...neither will SF Ryu.
Hayabusa can destroy huge spacecrafts when he is serious...Ryu can't even begin to compare.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime-Still, when you have no multi tiered stage, the moves are the same.
Wow...I did tell you that Ryu can Izuna Drop people off bridges and the like...that alone makes Ryu's version more dangerous than Vega's. Not to mention Vega is not in Hayabusa's league.
...The teleport will still allow Hayabusa the ability to keep himself from harm, so while you claim it will lead Haya no where in the fight...neither will SF Ryu.
Hayabusa can destroy huge spacecrafts when he is serious...Ryu can't even begin to compare.
-Ryu will know where Haybusa is when he's finished, so either Hayabusa fights head up and lose like a man, or Ryu and Hayabusa just play whack mole. (Hayabus being the mole)
-Are you serious?! Gouki's weak form (SF ALPHA 2 normal Gouki) can sink island with one hand I'm pretty sure Ryu's strongest form can blow up an aircraft LOADED WITH EXPLOSIVE JET FUEL, that will be an easy task. Let's see Hayabusa lift 2 boulders and a man stacked upon each other...Hayabusa can't even compare.
Originally posted by Triple Six
-Still, when you have no multi tiered stage, the moves are the same.-Ryu will know where Haybusa is when he's finished, so either Hayabusa fights head up and lose like a man, or Ryu and Hayabusa just play whack mole. (Hayabus being the mole)
-Are you serious?! Gouki's weak form (SF ALPHA 2 normal Gouki) can sink island with one hand I'm pretty sure Ryu's strongest form can blow up an aircraft LOADED WITH EXPLOSIVE JET FUEL, that will be an easy task. Let's see Hayabusa lift 2 boulders and a man stacked upon each other...Hayabusa can't even compare.
Hayabusa teleports a fair distance and blasts Ryu with the same chi blast he used to destroy the aircraft...while being airborne and well out of Ryu's range. Shit Hayabusa can even dodge missiles while summoning chi blasts.
You are pretty sure? Show me Ryu blowing up an aircraft and I'll concede. For now the burden is on SF Ryu to prove he is on Hayabusa's league.
Hayabusa doesn't need to lift any boulders...he is simply faster, more versatile...and if the fight gets a bit out of hand he can always use the Dragon Sword. In which case Ryu's chances turn negative.
I'm getting a bit tired of people using Gouki feats to somehow prove Ryu is on that level.
His points are not convincing in the very least.
1. Ryu wins because he estimates Ryu's strongest form can do one of Hayabusa's feats? --- not buying it.
2. Ryu sensing Chi will render teleportation useless? --- not really.
3. Using Gouki's feat to try and prove Ryu's might --- see what I mean?
4. Because Vega has a similar move now Hayabusa's Izuna Drop is useless? --- When oh when has Ryu fought Vega canonically? That's right: never.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime1. When Hayabusa can tear large chunks out of sky scrappers with normal special moves while he's in his early 20s... get back at me.
His points are not convincing in the very least.1. Ryu wins because he estimates Ryu's strongest form can do one of Hayabusa's feats? --- not buying it.
2. Ryu sensing Chi will render teleportation useless? --- not really.
3. Using Gouki's feat to try and prove Ryu's might --- see what I mean?
4. Because Vega has a similar move now Hayabusa's Izuna Drop is useless? --- When oh when has Ryu fought Vega canonically? That's right: never.
2. Deny it all you want but if Ryu can sence were Hayabusa is gonna be when he teleports, then it's no good. And he can't teleport too far becuase the farther Ryu is away from Hayabusa, the more time Ryu has to evade the attack.
3.Ryu is better then SFA 2 Gouki, Hayabusa can't beat that type of power with no D.Sword.
4.Never said the Izuna drop is useless but you make the damn move sound like the Shungokusatsu. Point is, Vega has the same move, and Ryu can whip his ass. So the Izuna drop is nothing but a special move.
Also, in the SF 2 movie a normal Hadouken from both Ryu and Ken destroyed Bison's air ship which is WAY larger then the ones Hayabusa blew up, now your telling me that 3rd Strike mid Oro training Ryu can't destroy an air ship the size of the suv in 3rd Strike in which any character can destroy with their bare hands? You need to give Ryu more credit. Hayabusa can't win H2H.
Originally posted by Triple Six
1. When Hayabusa can tear large chunks out of sky scrappers with normal special moves while he's in his early 20s... get back at me.2. Deny it all you want but if Ryu can sence were Hayabusa is gonna be when he teleports, then it's no good. And he can't teleport too far becuase the farther Ryu is away from Hayabusa, the more time Ryu has to evade the attack.
3.Ryu is better then SFA 2 Gouki, Hayabusa can't beat that type of power with no D.Sword.
4.Never said the Izuna drop is useless but you make the damn move sound like the Shungokusatsu. Point is, Vega has the same move, and Ryu can whip his ass. So the Izuna drop is nothing but a special move.
Also, in the SF 2 movie a normal Hadouken from both Ryu and Ken destroyed Bison's air ship which is WAY larger then the ones Hayabusa blew up, now your telling me that 3rd Strike mid Oro training Ryu can't destroy an air ship the size of the suv in 3rd Strike in which any character can destroy with their bare hands? You need to give Ryu more credit. Hayabusa can't win H2H.
1. Using the anime to prove Ryu's might? LoL. No wait...ROFLMAO.
2. The ability to sense chi will not change the fact Ryu's attacks will get nullified by it. You just don't get the point. It's not that Hayabusa will teleport and surprise Ryu. It's just that Hayabusa's teleportation will pretty much make Ryu unable to hurt him. It can also make him close, and or gain distance as Hayabusa sees fit.
Example: Say Hayabusa is charging Nimpo and Ryu rushes to attack him before he performs it. Hayabusa teleports out of harm's way and unleashes the Nimpo. Just an idea, not my main argument.
3. It's still just speculation that SF3 Third Strike Ryu is better than Alpha 2 Gouki. People just assume that since they stalemated in Alpha 2 and Ryu's is older now he is leaps and bounds beyond Alpha 2 Gouki. It has not been proven. We are discussing Ryu vs. Hayabusa here. Not Hayabusa vs. Gouki.
4. I don't make the move sound like it's the shungokusatsu. I mentioned the move in the first place to prove Hayabusa can actually teleport without doing fancy ninja hand signs like you claimed. The fact Ryu can whoop Vega's ass is irrelevant for 2 obvious reasons:
a. Hayabusa is not Vega.
b. Vega and Ryu have not fought in the canon SF story.
Don't bring irrelevant info like the animes to back Ryu up. You either use the SF canon, or you not. If you want to play that way I will have Ryu wield the Dark Dragon Blade and smithe Ryu out of existence with it.
Ryu can most likely pull off some victories, but my money is on Hayabusa.
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PS - Ryu does get a lot of credit...perhaps too much.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime1. What do you mean shows his limit? Unlike Hayabusa, Ryu doesn't have a 148 hour action adventure game. So of coarse your gonna have to look to other media to find feats and abilities.
1. Using the anime to prove Ryu's might? LoL. No wait...ROFLMAO.2. The ability to sense chi will not change the fact Ryu's attacks will get nullified by it. You just don't get the point. It's not that Hayabusa will teleport and surprise Ryu. It's just that Hayabusa's teleportation will pretty much make Ryu unable to hurt him. It can also make him close, and or gain distance as Hayabusa sees fit.
Example: Say Hayabusa is charging Nimpo and Ryu rushes to attack him before he performs it. Hayabusa teleports out of harm's way and unleashes the Nimpo. Just an idea, not my main argument.
3. It's still just speculation that SF3 Third Strike Ryu is better than Alpha 2 Gouki. People just assume that since they stalemated in Alpha 2 and Ryu's is older now he is leaps and bounds beyond Alpha 2 Gouki. It has not been proven. We are discussing Ryu vs. Hayabusa here. Not Hayabusa vs. Gouki.
4. I don't make the move sound like it's the shungokusatsu. I mentioned the move in the first place to prove Hayabusa can actually teleport without doing fancy ninja hand signs like you claimed. The fact Ryu can whoop Vega's ass is irrelevant for 2 obvious reasons:
a. Hayabusa is not Vega.
b. Vega and Ryu have not fought in the canon SF story.Don't bring irrelevant info like the animes to back Ryu up. You either use the SF canon, or you not. If you want to play that way I will have Ryu wield the Dark Dragon Blade and smithe Ryu out of existence with it.
Ryu can most likely pull off some victories, but my money is on Hayabusa.
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PS - Ryu does get a lot of credit...perhaps too much.
2. Your missing my point on this whole teleportation thing and you will continue to do so because you don't want Ryu to win.
Example: Say Hayabusa is charging Nimpo and Ryu rushes to attack him before he performs it. Hayabusa teleports out of harm's way and unleashes the Nimpo. Out of harms way is too far, Ryu will move out of the way, distance works for Ryu as well. Teleports too close, Ryu knows were he is and hits him with a Shinshoryuken before he can act, Haybusa defeated. Or Ryu can just cancel out the attacks with projectiles of his own.
3. Now that's not speculation, Gouki wanted Ryu to give in to the SNH so that he may have a true challenge. Evil Ryu was a challenge for Gouki, normal Ryu is better then Evil Ryu now. That should explain it it all.
4. My point is, the Izuna drop is no serious threat, Ryu's peers have similar moves.
Also, animes aren't irrelevant, Capcom has said, to see how the characters fight not restricted by the game engines, the animes are the best representation
This is why Haybusa can't win.
Ryu get's no credit except that in which I give him, which isn't enough.
Originally posted by Triple Six8:37YouTube video3:04YouTube videoOh yeah...they do the same exact thing...😂
Hayabusa's and Vega's Izuna Drop do the same damn thing, only Vega doesn't teleport or spin, but it's the same damn move. Now Hadouken and a Gadouken are 2 different moves with obvious differences in appearance and damage.Also, there isn't much point in teleporting when your opponent can tell were you are or know were your gonna be as soon as you finish. Hayabusa can not attack and teleport at the same time, so while teleporting he is doing no damage, thus getting no where in the fight.
And Ryu can obliterate opponents with normal Hadoukens when he's serious about killing some one. Hayabusa is out done in this one.
Hayabusa being able to attack as fast as he does after teleporting gives SF Ryu little to now chance of winning this fight.
Prove that Ryu can obliterate someone with a hadouken. I'll prove that Hayabusa can with his own attack.
4:29YouTube video