Nice way to tell us to call it a draw while also giving your last 2 cents on who wins.
Shows great logic.
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By the way it's 3 of you against most of the forum lore. Besides the other ranting about Lana has nothing to do with the thread since it's mostly OOC. In any case the burden is still on Ryu to make a case for himself.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeWhatever man.
Nice way to tell us to call it a draw while also giving your last 2 cents on who wins.Shows great logic.
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By the way it's 3 of you against most of the forum lore. Besides the other ranting about Lana has nothing to do with the thread since it's mostly OOC. In any case the burden is still on Ryu to make a case for himself.
There are actually more then 3 of us but many of them wont post because you Hayabusa fans wont listen. We constantly state that Capcom has stated the movies are how they would fight unrestricted yet people complain and ignore it or for some reason thinks it's okay to use other forms of R.Hayabusa. Ryu's feats in hand to hand clearly outmatch R.Hayabusa yet this whole jet thing keeps coming up and it really isn't that good of a feat. KMC is way more of Hayabusa fans then it is a Ryu fans, so of coarse the votes are gonna go to Hayabusa. Not many here actually vote for who is stronger in close fights, they go for who they like.
No one is listening and everyone is forcing them selves to believe what isn't right just so their more favorable character can win. I like R.Hayabusa way more then Ryu but even I know Hayabusa can't win in H2H.
If no one will take the time to listen, I'm done arguing.
Originally posted by Who else?
Whatever man.
Touche.
Originally posted by Who else?
There are actually more then 3 of us but many of them wont post because you Hayabusa fans wont listen. We constantly state that Capcom has stated the movies are how they would fight unrestricted yet people complain and ignore it or for some reason thinks it's okay to use other forms of R.Hayabusa. Ryu's feats in hand to hand clearly outmatch R.Hayabusa yet this whole jet thing keeps coming up and it really isn't that good of a feat. KMC is way more of Hayabusa fans then it is a Ryu fans, so of coarse the votes are gonna go to Hayabusa. Not many here actually vote for who is stronger in close fights, they go for who they like.
So far Shin Remy, Triple Stix and you are the posters who keep defending Ryu in here. Aside from the random fan who just says "Ryu WTFPAWNS Hayabusa" and doesn't make a case for Ryu...like TricksterPriest.
You constantly state the anime is how SF characters would fight without game restriction, and we know this. What we are doing is stress the fact that the anime's story is not really canon and that the anime makes for messy arguments for Ryu. What we have also stated is that since Ryu's anime appearances are to be taken for granted then we can use Ryu Hayabusa with the Dark Dragon Blade smithing Ryu out of existence if we wanted to; but case in point we are not arguing a DDB wielding Hayabusa here.
If you really think that having the strength to slice a jet is not a good feat then fine by me. I cannot convince you otherwise, but it is a legitimate feat. Far more legit than to claim Ryu by SF3 is 10/100/1000/whatever times stronger than his anime counterpart. Which is just speculation to ride Ryu's dick in fashion to have him defeat Hayabusa.
There are as many Hayabusa fans as there are haters out there. And to be honest Ryu fandom is off the charts. Hayabusa has gotten the respect he deserves because of his many appearances and feats. Ryu simply gets respect because he is the icon from SF.
Originally posted by Who else?
No one is listening and everyone is forcing them selves to believe what isn't right just so their more favorable character can win. I like R.Hayabusa way more then Ryu but even I know Hayabusa can't win in H2H..
Are you sure that no one is listening? Because so far a couple of posters have switched opinions as the thread has progressed. Yourself included.
By the way claiming that even you--as if you were the be all end all Hayabusa fan with supreme knowledge--know Hayabusa can't defeat Ryu in H2H does not make it a fact.
Originally posted by Who else?
If no one will take the time to listen, I'm done arguing.
If people don't listen it's because you haven't put convincing stuff out there for them to believe in.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeDANG SON YOU GOT SERVED!
Touche.So far Shin Remy, Triple Stix and you are the posters who keep defending Ryu in here. Aside from the random fan who just says "Ryu WTFPAWNS Hayabusa" and doesn't make a case for Ryu...like TricksterPriest.
You constantly state the anime is how SF characters would fight without game restriction, and we know this. What we do are doing is stress the fact that the anime's story is not really canon and that makes for messy arguments for Ryu. What we have also stated that since Ryu's anime appearances are to be taken for granted then we can use Ryu Hayabusa with the Dark Dragon Blade smithing Ryu out of existence if we wanted to; but case in point we are not arguing a DDB wielding Hayabusa here.
If you really think that having the strength to slice a jet is not a good feat then fine by me. I cannot convince you otherwise, but it is a legitimate feat. Far more legit than to claim Ryu by SF3 is 10/100/1000/whatever times stronger than his anime counterpart. Which is just speculation to ride Ryu's dick in fashion to have him defeat Hayabusa.
There are as many Hayabusa fans as there are haters out there. And to be honest Ryu fandom is off the charts. Hayabusa has gotten the respect he deserves because of his many appearances and feats. Ryu simply gets respect because he is the icon from SF.
Are you sure that no one is listening? Because so far a couple of posters have switched opinions as the thread has progressed. Yourself included.
By the way claiming that even you--as if you were the be all end all Hayabusa fan with supreme knowledge--know Hayabusa can't defeat Ryu in H2H does not make it a fact.
If people don't listen it's because you haven't put convincing stuff out there for them to believe in.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeRather it is canon or not, Ryu is capable, that is my point. Not Ryu HAS done it, but Ryu CAN do it in a H2H fight
You constantly state the anime is how SF characters would fight without game restriction, and we know this. What we are doing is stress the fact that the anime's story is not really canon and that the anime makes for messy arguments for Ryu.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeBut you can't because it's a H2H fight. We are saying what Ryu can do in H2H.
What we have also stated is that since Ryu's anime appearances are to be taken for granted then we can use Ryu Hayabusa with the Dark Dragon Blade smithing Ryu out of existence if we wanted to.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeHe used the D.Sword, not a regular sword and in fact, he used a weapon. Now if he sliced a jet in half with his bare hands, which is what he would have to use in a H2H fight, then the feat would be worthy.
If you really think that having the strength to slice a jet is not a good feat then fine by me. I cannot convince you otherwise, but it is a legitimate feat.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeThe point is, he would draw or slightly defeat the Alpha Ryu, 3rd Strike Ryu is several times better. At first Ryu couldn't even beat Ken, in 3rd Strike he manages to do so. What more proof do you need that Ryu has gotten stronger? The fact that Ryu has surpassed the Dark hadou has been officially stated.
Far more legit than to claim Ryu by SF3 is 10/100/1000/whatever times stronger than his anime counterpart. Which is just speculation to ride Ryu's dick in fashion to have him defeat Hayabusa.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime😆 Where and how? Don't even say Triple Six because despite popular belief Triple Six has calmed down immensely. So who makes the Ryu fandom off the charts?
And to be honest Ryu fandom is off the charts.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime😆 Yeah right. News flash. . .nobody likes Ryu!
Ryu simply gets respect because he is the icon from SF.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeSorry, allow me to correct myself. Other then ME, no body takes the time to listen and think about what the Ryu "fanboys" are trying to get across the table.
Are you sure that no one is listening? Because so far a couple of posters have switched opinions as the thread has progressed. Yourself included.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeI was just saying that to show that I am open minded to all ideas, no matter how unpopular they are on this forum unlike damn near every body else. If there is reasonable doubt, then it would be reasonable to doubt Haybusa's victory.
By the way claiming that even you--as if you were the be all end all Hayabusa fan with supreme knowledge--know Hayabusa can't defeat Ryu in H2H does not make it a fact.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeNo, you guys just aint listening because you don't want to.
If people don't listen it's because you haven't put convincing stuff out there for them to believe in.
Originally posted by Sado22See what I mean Sado. Now one some starts to talk down about you, don't get mad.
pssst............don't tell them that yet.
all three of them will have to spend the entire night thinking about Superboy's reply to actually realize that they got owned 😛~Sado
And talk about owned, You get owned by just about anybody you come up against. 😆 Literally 😂
Originally posted by Who else?
Rather it is canon or not, Ryu is capable, that is my point. Not Ryu HAS done it, but Ryu CAN do it in a H2H fight.
Can does not have the same strength as HAS in an argument. By the way...I have a question: Can Ryu shrug off a punch to the gut? Because he certainly has not.
Originally posted by Who else?
But you can't because it's a H2H fight. We are saying what Ryu can do in H2H.
Huh? I don't use DDB Ryu because he isn't really canon and because yes it's a h2h match.
Originally posted by Who else?
He used the D.Sword, not a regular sword and in fact, he used a weapon. Now if he sliced a jet in half with his bare hands, which is what he would have to use in a H2H fight, then the feat would be worthy.
The D. Sword without the gem does not really have superior specs to a regular sword. We're talking about the force applied to make the blade slice right through steel as if it was paper. The same force can be applied to each blow Hayabusa deals. Hey don't look at me like that since I'm using your same logic of CAN not HAS.
Originally posted by Who else?
The point is, he would draw or slightly defeat the Alpha Ryu, 3rd Strike Ryu is several times better. At first Ryu couldn't even beat Ken, in 3rd Strike he manages to do so. What more proof do you need that Ryu has gotten stronger? The fact that Ryu has surpassed the Dark hadou has been officially stated.
Wow. SF3 Ryu is stronger than his Alpha version because he beat Ken?
You're downplaying Alpha Ryu to make him look weak, but do I really need to remind you that when Ken beat Alpha Ryu, Ryu was not in his right mind. That he was in the middle of an inner-struggle trying to avoid getting consummed by the Dark Hadou? Ryu surpassed his Dark Hadou self, but he hasn't in fact transcended Dark Hadou power levels. Look at SF3 Gouki and/or Shin Gouki and realize how Ryu is still lagging terribly behind him.
By the way what has Anime Ryu done besides blow the crap out of an inanimate object with 2 Hadoukens? Pretty much nothing. His most impressive feat is his final Hadouken, and if he were to pull something like that off in the middle of the fight he would get raped.
Originally posted by Who else?
😆 Where and how? Don't even say Triple Six because despite popular belief Triple Six has calmed down immensely. So who makes the Ryu fandom off the charts?
Where and how? Check the first page of the thread to see how Remulous' opinion inmediately changed your opinion and Shin Remy's--although no one is surprised about Remy's turn.
By the way contrary to popular belief posting numerous smilies does not make you cool.
Originally posted by Who else?
😆 Yeah right. News flash. . .nobody likes Ryu!
Wrong. You just keep making this easier for me: I like Ryu.
Originally posted by Who else?
Sorry, allow me to correct myself. Other then ME, no body takes the time to listen and think about what the Ryu "fanboys" are trying to get across the table.
We've gotten what the Ryu fans are trying to get across the table. So far you've mentioned the anime...which lacks any feat Hayabusa cannot reproduce, and that SF3 Ryu is stronger times infinity because he beat Ken. Awesome points! I have to switch sides because such arguments are so well conceived that I cannot possibly hope to counter any of those points! Oh wait...I have.
Originally posted by Who else?
I was just saying that to show that I am open minded to all ideas, no matter how unpopular they are on this forum unlike damn near every body else. If there is reasonable doubt, then it would be reasonable to doubt Haybusa's victory.
I never claimed Hayabusa would just parade all over Ryu. In fact I made an analogy of the fight with Superman(Ryu) vs Silver Surfer(Hayabusa) I also remember stating that Superman(Ryu) has what it takes to defeat Surfer(hayabusa), but Surfer(Hayabusa) simply has more options at his disposal to defeat Superman(Ryu)
Originally posted by Who else?
No, you guys just aint listening because you don't want to.
Wrong on several accounts.
For starters if an argument is convincing enough and/or I have no way to counter it I will admit defeat, but in this case none of the above have taken place.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeFact is, in a H2H fight, he can do what has been shown. Ryu was calmed by the punch to the gut because he was unfocused and went mad. Besides, it's not like the punch knocked him out, he just regained his sense.
Can does not have the same strength as HAS in an argument. By the way...I have a question: Can Ryu shrug off a punch to the gut? Because he certainly has not.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeI have a question, is there something that shows what Hayabusa can do with the blade, and did Tecmo say that Hayabusa was capable?
Huh? I don't use DDB Ryu because he isn't really canon and because yes it's a h2h match.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeHayabusa hasn't been shown to split anything with his hands, canon or not, so until otherwise, I don't think he can do it.
The D. Sword without the gem does not really have superior specs to a regular sword. We're talking about the force applied to make the blade slice right through steel as if it was paper. The same force can be applied to each blow Hayabusa deals. Hey don't look at me like that since I'm using your same logic of CAN not HAS.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeYou missed the point dude, in SF2 Ryu wasn't able to beat Ken: In SFA Ryu could beat Ken, Ken got stronger and beat Ryu in SF2, then Ryu got stronger and beat Ken in SF3. This is shows the progression of Ryu's strength through out the years.
Wow. SF3 Ryu is stronger than his Alpha version because he beat Ken?
You're downplaying Alpha Ryu to make him look weak, but do I really need to remind you that when Ken beat Alpha Ryu, Ryu was not in his right mind. That he was in the middle of an inner-struggle trying to avoid getting consummed by the Dark Hadou? Ryu surpassed his Dark Hadou self, but he hasn't in fact transcended Dark Hadou power levels. Look at SF3 Gouki and/or Shin Gouki and realize how Ryu is still lagging terribly behind him.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeYour using the Alpha version, Ryu is better by now but wait, that's speculation even though it states Ryu has gotten better in his profile in the SFEC.
By the way what has Anime Ryu done besides blow the crap out of an inanimate object with 2 Hadoukens? Pretty much nothing. His most impressive feat is his final Hadouken, and if he were to pull something like that off in the middle of the fight he would get raped.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeHow does that prove his fandom is off the charts? Contrary to your beleifs this prooves Triple Six actually makes sense some times if he was able to turm my oppinion around. What he said made sense to me.
Where and how? Check the first page of the thread to see how Remulous' opinion inmediately changed your opinion and Shin Remy's--although no one is surprised about Remy's turn.By the way contrary to popular belief posting numerous smilies does not make you cool.
I'm not trying to be cool. . .I am cool. . .and I've been that way since being cool was cool and I'll be cool until cool isn't cool anymore 😎
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeI don't beleive you.
Wrong. You just keep making this easier for me: I like Ryu.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeHayabusa can't reproduce the feats in that movie.
We've gotten what the Ryu fans are trying to get across the table. So far you've mentioned the anime...which lacks any feat Hayabusa cannot reproduce, and that SF3 Ryu is stronger times infinity because he beat Ken. Awesome points! I have to switch sides because such arguments are so well conceived that I cannot possibly hope to counter any of those points! Oh wait...I have.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeSo then why the hell are you and your buddies so hostile? you guys haven't been trying to convence, youve been on our backs from the start.
I never claimed Hayabusa would just parade all over Ryu. In fact I made an analogy of the fight with Superman(Ryu) vs Silver Surfer(Hayabusa) I also remember stating that Superman(Ryu) has what it takes to defeat Surfer(hayabusa), but Surfer(Hayabusa) simply has more options at his disposal to defeat Superman(Ryu).
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeOnce again, I don't beleive you.
Wrong on several accounts.For starters if an argument is convincing enough and/or I have no way to counter it I will admit defeat.
Originally posted by Who else?
Fact is, in a H2H fight, he can do what has been shown. Ryu was calmed by the punch to the gut because he was unfocused and went mad. Besides, it's not like the punch knocked him out, he just regained his sense.
Fact is the punch managed to knock him down.
Originally posted by Who else?
I have a question, is there something that shows what Hayabusa can do with the blade, and did Tecmo say that Hayabusa was capable?
Whoever wields the dark dragon blade becomes the Devil Incarnate. If you want more info look up Hayabusa's respect thread(yes he does have a respect thread...quite in fact the only video game char except K' to have one still working) Better yet buy Ninja Gaiden and play it. It's an awesome game.
Originally posted by Who else?
Hayabusa hasn't been shown to split anything with his hands, canon or not, so until otherwise, I don't think he can do it.
He has applied enough force in the grip of his sword to have it slice through steel. So...why can't he do it now? He has certainly done it. It isn't a stretch to believe Hayabusa can apply the same force into every blow of his. Specially when he has fought beings like Tengu without aid.
Originally posted by Who else?
You missed the point dude, in SF2 Ryu wasn't able to beat Ken: In SFA Ryu could beat Ken, Ken got stronger and beat Ryu in SF2, then Ryu got stronger and beat Ken in SF3. This is shows the progression of Ryu's strength through out the years.
Since "speculation" is constantly being brought up in this fight, we don't even know if Ryu is "terribly" lagging behind Akuma, especially since Ryu is being trained by Oro. For all we know, ryu could be behind Gouki slightly or not at all.
Ken beating Ryu in SF2 is speculation. We can't take that for granted, but what we can take for granted is Ryu having the better win record as stated by Ryu himself.
You seriously are not suggesting Ryu will be past Shin Gouki post Oro training?
Originally posted by Who else?
Your using the Alpha version, Ryu is better by now but wait, that's speculation even though it states Ryu has gotten better in his profile in the SFEC.
Wait...so wtf do you want me to use? You tell me to use the anime to see what the SFers can do, but that's not just it I have to visualize something better than what I've been shown? No wonder you guys convince only yourselves...making a logical argument for Ryu is hard...at least Hayabusa's stuff is concrete.
Originally posted by Who else?
How does that prove his fandom is off the charts? Contrary to your beleifs this prooves Triple Six actually makes sense some times if he was able to turm my oppinion around. What e said made sense to me.
Never said it didn't make sense. It just failed to convince me, and a healthy number of users. I never said his fandom is off the charts...if you actually took time to read my posts instead of mindless replying so you can look good; you would find out I was talking about tricksterpriest being a fanboy, not triple six...although he is definitely more of a fan than me.
Originally posted by Who else?
I'm not trying to be cool. . .I am cool. . .and I've been that way since being cool was cool and I'll be cool until cool isn't cool anymore 😎
dur-w00t
Originally posted by Who else?
I don't beleive you.
That's ok. You don't have to.
Originally posted by Who else?Hayabusa can't reproduce the feats in that movie.
Ryu is stronger then his pass versions because Capcom says so. you took my example with Ken and seriously f**ked it up. That's what I mean by not listening.
...That doesn't make sense. Hayabusa can't reproduce the SF anime feats because Ryu is stronger than his past versions and Capcom said it?
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Hayabusa can replicate the "blowing up part of a building" feat with his Nimpo alone. Heck just look at what Ayane did...and these 2 are peers.
I didn't seriously **** up your Ken argument. I made you see the truth that Ken beat an unstable version of Ryu. Truth hurts.
Originally posted by Who else?So then why the hell are you and your buddies so hostile? you guys haven't been trying to convence, youve been on our backs from the start.
Well excuse me for the hostility, but saying the same stuff over and over again can get annoying.
Originally posted by Who else?Once again, I don't beleive you.
Like I said earlier you don't have to, but if you ever feel like finding out you can start by checking the Hayabusa vs Gill & Urien thread and pretty much any SF thread in the Computer & Video Games forum.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeHe regained his senses. That scenario would never happen in this fight.
Fact is the punch managed to knock him down.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeWere does it show Hayabusa do an unbelievable feat with the DDB?
Whoever wields the dark dragon blade becomes the Devil Incarnate. If you want more info look up Hayabusa's respect thread(yes he does have a respect thread...quite in fact the only video game char except K' to have one still working) Better yet buy Ninja Gaiden and play it. It's an awesome game.
I own both NG and the Black version.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeHe can't do the feat with his bare hands because he's never done it, not even in non canon materials, he used the D.Sword, that aint no regular blade, even when it aint in it's true form. It is a stretch if he's never done it, if this is the case, Akuma can blow up earth shattering comets.
He has applied enough force in the grip of his sword to have it slice through steel. So...why can't he do it now? He has certainly done it. It isn't a stretch to believe Hayabusa can apply the same force into every blow of his. Specially when he has fought beings like Tengu without aid.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeKen's won before, having a better win record doesn't mean undefeated, Ken gets stronger ryu gets stronger, this has been shown through out the series. the fact that you can't even admit that Ryu is now considerably stronger than his old self amazes me.
Ken beating Ryu in SF2 is speculation. We can't take that for granted, but what we can take for granted is Ryu having the better win record as stated by Ryu himself.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeWell. . . saying he is terribly behind Akuma is like saying he is terribly ahead of his old self.
You seriously are not suggesting Ryu will be past Shin Gouki post Oro training?
Originally posted by Superboy PrimePoint is he's better then that now. I don't know how many times I'm gonna have to say that.
Wait...so wtf do you want me to use? You tell me to use the anime to see what the SFers can do, but that's not just it I have to visualize something better than what I've been shown? No wonder you guys convince only yourselves...making a logical argument for Ryu is hard...at least Hayabusa's stuff is concrete.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeSee what I mean by hostility. It is you who needs to take time to read instead of mindlessly reply. Wtf do I need to look good for, I don't even know any of you people. You got me very misconstrued, buddy.
Never said it didn't make sense. It just failed to convince me, and a healthy number of users. I never said his fandom is off the charts...if you actually took time to read my posts instead of mindless replying so you can look good; you would find out I was talking about tricksterpriest being a fanboy, not triple six...although he is definitely more of a fan than me.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeI meant that hayabusa can't reproduce the feats cuz he's never done them.
...That doesn't make sense. Hayabusa can't reproduce the SF anime feats because Ryu is stronger than his past versions and Capcom said it?...
Hayabusa can replicate the "blowing up part of a building" feat with his Nimpo alone. Heck just look at what Ayane did...and these 2 are peers..
Nimpo would be like their Super art, mean while Ryu is capable of the feat shown with normal special moves in which he can produce several times over and instantaneously.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeBut you did. Ryu's rivalry helps him becomes stronger and this has been shown through out the SFs. In SF2, he couldn't beat ken but in SF3 he does, obvious show of increase in strength since his pass days.
...I didn't seriously **** up your Ken argument. [B]
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeYou and me both, but I remain cool.
[B]...Well excuse me for the hostility, but saying the same stuff over and over again can get annoying.[B]
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeFrom what I remember in those threads, you were behind Hayabusa all the way. What am I supposed to see?
[B]Like I said earlier you don't have to, but if you ever feel like finding out you can start by checking the Hayabusa vs Gill & Urien thread and pretty much any SF thread in the Computer & Video Games forum.
Originally posted by Who else?Dude he doesn't mean that Hayabusa can slice jets in half with his bare hands he means that he had the strength to do so which means he could use that same strength in this fight.
He can't do the feat with his bare hands because he's never done it, not even in non canon materials, he used the D.Sword, that aint no regular blade, even when it aint in it's true form. It is a stretch if he's never done it, if this is the case, Akuma can blow up earth shattering comets.
Originally posted by Violent2DopeMy point is he used an extremely sharp and super natural sword to do so.
Dude he doesn't mean that Hayabusa can slice jets in half with his bare hands he means that he had the strength to do so which means he could use that same strength in this fight.
Just becuase you can slice somthing in half doesn't mean you have the strength to punch it in half.
Originally posted by Who else?...Jesus you didn't read my post at all did you? I clearly said Prime is not saying he could punch the ****in jet in half, only that he had the strength to do so.
My point is he used an extremely sharp and super natural sword to do so.Just becuase you can slice somthing in half doesn't mean you have the strength to punch it in half.