Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01
For me its kind of hard to say who would win. Darth Sion and Darth Nihilus v. The ROTS Jedi. Yoda and Mace. Pre-Vader Anakin and Obi-Wan. Most likely also Emperor Palpatine would join in, so I think tis a tough battle to call.
Why would the Emperor join in a fight between the Sith and the Jedi? If anything, he'd side with the Sith...
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Lightsnake!No form of defence could protect against Nihilus's Drain attack. Only being wound in the Force could protect from it.
NOTE: Visas Marr can be sacrificed to Nihilus. It depends upon our choice.
Exile survived because she was wound in the Force. If any one can disconnect himself or herself from the Force, only then he or she can survive against Nihilus's Drain.
Nihilus's Drain can get as big as he wishes. And when it gets huge, it destroys everything in its path.
Sorry! Nihilus will win.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
[B]Legend: why not? What about looping, disconnections...Nihilus can't drain someone who isn't connected to the Force
Originally posted by Lightsnake
That's...the entire PT Order. Tholme demonstrates it sveeral times
Numbers are irrelevant. You can understand that millions of people can live in a Planet.
He drained the entire planet and not just the Jedi on Katarr. He killed everybody in it including animals and etc. That makes the toll much higher.
And Tholme alone cannot defeat Nihilus.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
this you'll have to prove. enough to wipe out a 10,000 man order fully arrayed against him with pure light?
Originally posted by Lightsnake
He isn't going to.
A wall of light will destroy him. This is ridiculous
But it is possible to over-power him if he is facing thousands of Jedi that have surrounded him. But Nihilus will not do this.
He will not go to the Temple to Drain the Jedi. He will Drain the entire place from a very far distance.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Right! Fallanasi Looping technique can be useful against Nihilus. But sadly Yoda does not knows this. Luke however learns this much later.
Look Lightsnake! I understand that what you are saying but Nihilus could Drain an entire Planet from Force and Life. No matter how many people are in that planet, it does not matters.Numbers are irrelevant. You can understand that millions of people can live in a Planet.
He drained the entire planet and not just the Jedi on Katarr. He killed everybody in it including animals and etc. That makes the toll much higher.
And Tholme alone cannot defeat Nihilus.
NOTE: He drained many worlds and not just the Katarr. He can surely Drain thousands of people. He does not needs to get close to Jedi temple to do this. He can do this from far away.
Nihilus's Drain is instant. It can get much bigger in a very short time.
But it is possible to over-power him if he is facing thousands of Jedi that have surrounded him. But Nihilus will not do thiisHe will not go to the Temple to Drain the Jedi. He will Drain the entire place from a very far distance.
I dont agree, Mace windu beat sidious due to shatterpoint, since you claim yoda = sidious, i guess it means mace > yoda mace > every1 because he ebat sidious is it?
Uh huh, I consider it fair for Yoda to fight in a huge environment full of Senate pods thity times his size being flung at him and that was a FORCE AND LIGHTSABER duel. Windu cannot defeat Sidious in an overall fight. He's greater in the lightsaber, but not overall.
And Legend:
Tell me, a Jedi like Tholme was able to disconnect from the Force. You think Yoda cannot replicate such a feat. You also don't think that a Shield would work. The Shield blocks all attack from hitting the user. Including a Drain. This can tire Nihilus and then Yoda rapes him with a lightsaber.
End of story. Goodbye. The Jedi win.
The magnitude of Nihilus' drain was incredible, being able to drain an entire force sensitive race and over 100 jedi, I'm guessing that Yoda isn't strong enough with the force to create a good enough shield to block it.
If Nihilus was going to attempt such a thing on Yoda, the whole environment is going to collapse and kill Nihilus. Nihilus would have to a singular concentrated Drain that most likely won't have the grand deadly effect, but I can see Yoda being able to conjure such a Shield.
I dont agree, Mace windu beat sidious due to shatterpoint, since you claim yoda = sidious, i guess it means mace > yoda mace > every1 because he ebat sidious is it?
I don't know who posted this, but I figured that I would address it. Prodigal is very much correct; Windu engaged Sidious in a lightsaber duel and defeated him due to his form's superiority. We have already proved that Vaapad + Shatterpoint = a big-ass problem for any dark side practitioner who attempts to engage Mace in combat. Like I've said before, Mace Windu may very well be the most difficult opponent for a Sith Lord or a dark Jedi to face in single combat. However, also as proven, Sidious was sufficiently powerful enough to nearly overpower Mace (despite being on his ass and saberless). Mace is not as strong as Sidious is in the Force, and would likely lose an overall fight due to the fact that their difference in lightsaber skills is not that great, but their margin in Force powers is considerable.
Jedi Win. Even if the uber drain is just as effective as some claim, has no defence (despite Nihilus not being able to kill Traya individually, and there are a few individuals more powerful than Traya), and will kill every last Jedi out of the thousands instantly, without his ship, and without meditation.
Why?
Because there are thousands of Jedi. Many whom are known for their reflexes and speed. Before Nihilus can act, he'll have hundreds of young, quick-reflexed Knights jumping into melee with him, and hundreds more force pushing him all at once, to do damage on a massive scale, vaporizing him and blasting the dust/pulp a kilometer away. He will get wrecked in the first instant, before he can even react.
And with thousands of Jed there, they can break Sions will, easy. All it would take is someone like Cin Drallig to hold him off in melee, and possibly disarm him. Then bring in the council and smush his will to nothing, killing him.