Originally posted by Mider999
i dont know what your laughing about buddy you obviously never seen a hellspawn in action or something, these hellspawn dont have power limits like spawn did either they can heal from nearly anything, and have just freaking amazing powers, so what's so funny.
I own every Spawn comic, and even the Curse series.
He's not taking down the MU or DCU. You're just pulling fanboyisms. That's why I'm laughing.
Once again.
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Like I mentioned earlier.
IF, Spawn has full control of
Time Manipulation
Reality Warping
Matter Transmutation
Or Grand Scale Damage (Planet Busting and beyond)
Keeps his
Nigh-Immortality
Nigh-Unlimited amount of energy
Then he has a vary good chance of taking on just about any Nigh-Omnipotent being at a Universal Scale.
Any Being beyond Universal Level is beyond Current Spawns League.
The problem is
We have not seen (as of know)
Full control of his Time Manipulation in battle
Grand Scale Reality Warping out side of Hell (this was when he was King of hell)
Or grand scale of Matter Transmutation.
Having power over earth is insignificant, because Nigh-Omnipotent being are more then capable of destroying a single planet.
I have read Spawn 1-162 and I am currently reading Curse of Spawn. Hopefully I can add more information to this thread to help determine what Spawn limits are.
did the guy above me mention that he did the time manipulation and other such powers when he was in his second stage power, right now his power drawfs that, howard jones if you dont even know what your talking about which you dont, shut up please, and i dont care if you own every spawn comic your still just damn rude.
Originally posted by Mider999
did the guy above me mention that he did the time manipulation and other such powers when he was in his second stage power, right now his power drawfs that, howard jones if you dont even know what your talking about which you dont, shut up please, and i dont care if you own every spawn comic your still just damn rude.
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IF you are talking about God Spawn, then yes, he can take down anyone in MU or DCU
Let us review, shall we ?
1)God Spawn is the equal of God and Satan. Therefore, he is indestructable and immortal. When God and Satan challenged him, Spawn withdrew, arguing that he refuses to engage in a battle where the 3 of them will spend all of eternity beating the crap out of each other.
2)The Mother of Creation has already stated that God and Satan are infinity powerful and undefeatable. A battle between God and Satan will go NO WHERE, because neither will EVER LOSE.....
Likewise, God Spawn, being the equal of God and Satan is infinitely powerful and indestructable. He will NEVER die (in his God form)...the ONLY being capable of his defeat is the Mother of Creation
If God Spawn went on a rampage in MU or DCU, he'd end up killing off most of that universe, since he cannot die or be destroyed, and has infinite power to spare.
3) Having Control over the Earth in Image is a big deal, and no laughing matter. You forget that the Earth is not just a giant rock in Image, the way it is in Marvel or DC. The Earth is a vast organism, with its own life, its own force known as Greenworld. The force which helped defeat and contain Urizen (who is also immortal and undestroyable)
ALSO, keep in mind that each world has its own God...the Mother CLEARLY stated that she has countless children, each of whom she gives a world to shape in whatever way they choose....to destroy a world in Image, NOT only means to destroy the cosmic soul of that planet, but it also means to challenge and offend the God who owns that world.
So destroying a planet in Image is a FAR greater feat than destroying a planet in Marvel or DC.....
God Spawn's Feats
In his short time on the series, "4th age Spawn" or God Spawn has done many impressive things:
1) Destroyed Zera
2) Destroyed the armies of Heaven and Hell
3) Destroyed Earth / Human Race
4) Survived direct attacks from God and Satan like it was nothing
5) Recreate the Earth and everything on it, every human being, every molecule, etc.
6) Closed the portals of Heaven and Hell to Earth
He had ultamate power, and decided to give it all away. He was eternal, all powerful, could do wtf he wanted with this power.....but he asked the Mother to take it all away and turn him into Al Simmons.....
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
IF you are talking about [b]God Spawn, then yes, he can take down anyone in MU or DCULet us review, shall we ?
1)God Spawn is the equal of God and Satan. Therefore, he is indestructable and immortal. When God and Satan challenged him, Spawn withdrew, arguing that he refuses to engage in a battle where the 3 of them will spend all of eternity beating the crap out of each other.[/B]
God and Satan have done absolutely nothing to show any power, at all. Saying that he's that powerful doesn't do much for him, because he doesn't have anything featwise to show a good increase.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
[b]2)The Mother of Creation has already stated that God and Satan are infinity powerful and undefeatable. A battle between God and Satan will go NO WHERE, because neither will EVER LOSE.....Likewise, God Spawn, being the equal of God and Satan is infinitely powerful and indestructable. He will NEVER die (in his God form)...the ONLY being capable of his defeat is the Mother of Creation
If God Spawn went on a rampage in MU or DCU, he'd end up killing off most of that universe, since he cannot die or be destroyed, and has infinite power to spare.[/B]
If he can beat beaten by one creation, then he can be beaten in any other, so rhetoric doesn't mean jack squat. There are PLENTY of characters in both universes that cannot die or be destroyed, but they have been beaten on more than one occasion. Look at Wolverine. Are you gonna say that Wolverine can't be beaten in the MU or DCU, because he's immortal? Nope.
Once again, what have the God and Satan of that universe done to show if they're beatable or not? Wasn't Malebolgia supposed to be really uber? Look at how quickly he went down.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
[b]3) Having Control over the Earth in Image is a big deal, and no laughing matter. You forget that the Earth is not just a giant rock in Image, the way it is in Marvel or DC. The Earth is a vast organism, with its own life, its own force known as Greenworld. The force which helped defeat and contain Urizen (who is also immortal and undestroyable)[/B]
Yet he was defeated and destroyed by a being that is no stronger than a Herald. Though Urizen was tough, he's not anything that someone along the lines of the Silver Surfer or Majestros couldn't take out. Once again, you're claiming something with a fallacy. If it's supposedly unbeatable, but can be beaten, that nullifies the claim that someone cannot be defeated in battle.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
ALSO, keep in mind that each world has its [b]own God...the Mother CLEARLY stated that she has countless children, each of whom she gives a world to shape in whatever way they choose....to destroy a world in Image, NOT only means to destroy the cosmic soul of that planet, but it also means to challenge and offend the God who owns that world.So destroying a planet in Image is a FAR greater feat than destroying a planet in Marvel or DC..... [/B]
Not really. Marvel and DCU both have their pantheons and different gods for different planets and races. The Skrulls have a pantheon. The Korbinites had a pantheon before they were wiped out. The Kree, the Shi'ar, etc. Every place has their own God, or multitude of Gods.
Anyone who has read Thor's Spiral and Reigning storylines could tell you that.
If you had ever picked up a Spectre, Thor, or any comic that deals with those pantheons, you would be fully aware of that fact. However, you are obviously not aware of it. In fact, it's painfully obvious. You're making a lot of claims that are honestly completely and totally ignorant of the other universes.
So, in closing, Spawn coming to the DCU or the MU wouldn't be that big of a deal until he does something along the lines of what Thanos did with the Heart of the Infinite. He'd be treated as either another JSA villain, or a Defenders villain. Nothing more.
If you'd like to test your theory, I'd be more than happy to make a thread of Thanos w/HOTU vs 4th age Spawn, Phoenix Force vs Spawn, or Spectre vs Spawn, and see how it goes.
Until that time, please refrain from the crap you're spouting.
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Ah. The Vertigo one has a wierd fallacy about him, but that's for another thread.
All Cosmic at one point or another reach a point ware their powers, abilities, and/or personalities contradict their original character. Thank you vary much DC and Marvel for switching writers just about every arc.
umm thats just dumb saying what you said, each hellspawn is at least herald level with there magic, yet it took the entire hellspawn army and heavens army to take down urizen, and no one world is not the same as another, if you attack earth and the celestial homeworld your gonna get beaten alot worse in the celestial world, and since who are you to tell us that MU rules and DCU rules over image, as i remeber it they each have there own multiverse and powers, DCU and MU does not overpower image, we've already seen that image has just as much power as DCU or MU, just not as many damn guys i guess so what, and a skyfather isnt that powerful buddy, they put odin creating a universe and suns and effecting the multiverse yeah how funny that when thanos had the HOTU king thor and zues ran off to eternity for help, oh yeah and no wonder the LT gathers all the skyfathers together when they have to take down a cosmic threat, yet not the skyfathers. They say in MU sometimes that skyfathers equal galactus which is pure bull, how come none of the races he's destroyed how come none of there gods helped them.