Originally posted by Mider999
how is it nonsense its the truth, you just dont care or dont wanna hear it. and stop calling me kiddo im 21 not younger.
It ain't truth til you prove it, kiddo. You've given sad analyzations with no scan backing or issue reference.
There's no need to get pissed off, just either prove it with scans from respect threads, or find someone to help you.
Then stop acting like a fanboy. 4th Age Spawn is probably more poweful than De-powered Tyrant, but not on the level of Full power Tyrant or Galactus. Which is pretty impressive, but eventually he'd go down. He's not like Thanos, he can't win against the entire DCU or MU. If he played it very very smart, (which is not in his character), he'd take maybe half of them out. Eventually, somebody would take him down. Probably Galactus, one of the reality warpers like Jamie Braddock, or someone insanely powerful like Hyperstorm or Eternity. In DCU, harder to call due to my lack of knowledge.
Edit: was talking to mider, not you beta. Didn't mean to make it seem like you.
Originally posted by Mider999
i aint no fanboy buddey,
Saying that your favorite character could mow over the entire DCU and MU is pretty fanboyish. I think you and DevilHulk could hang out.
Originally posted by Mider999
and you own the damn series pal your the one who should know the things that i said did happen, and if your so damn smart why dont you put some damn scans, oh and your critizism of my posting is pathetic just cause your defense is as weak.
Considering I was criticizing another's analyzation of scans, the burden of proof is on the person to come up with the counterpoint.
Meaning, either yourself or someone else who disagrees with me needs to show evidence that Spawn is the level of TOAA or the Presence.
I can believe Man of Miracles is that high, but not Spawn. MoM actually has considerable on-panel feats and evidence to support my making that statement. Spawn, despite his recent power boost, has not demonstrated that level thus far. Btw, what issue are we at now? I've read up to 162 where he nukes the human race.
im not saying he can beat the entire DCU pally wally, i dont think he could take on the DCU and win, there are two many powerful guys there, they would have to trap him, but even then they could not destroy him, ask for the MU i think he would cause some real havak there, LT is jobbing like crazy these days, and the IG is now weaker then eternity, and the skyfathers are now lower then the cosmics i believe, if they all ganged up on him his indestructability would take the brunt of it and he'd eventually win is all im saying, but DCU you got the spectre, so he'd probably put him somewhere he cant get out of but then again the guy could melt heavens gates earlier so who knows where he could put him, but im not saying he would lose to the presance, but who knows maybe the presance is equal to image god and image satan, they did in fact create the entire battle ground for the past few years for spawn.
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
God and Satan have done absolutely nothing to show any power, at all. Saying that he's that powerful doesn't do much for him, because he doesn't have anything featwise to show a good increase.
Let's see.....
God and Satan are rulers of Heaven and Hell. There are over 100 comic books displaying the feats of Hell and Heaven.
Malebolgia has feats.....Mammon is hundreds of times superior to Malebolgia.....The Forgotten are the equivalent of Mammon, and Zera murdered all of the Forgotten.
God Spawn mutilates Zera in a heartbeat....that alone says a whole damn lot, dont ya think ?
Angela has impressive feats as well, and she is no more powerful than Spawn himself is....
God and Satan shaped the Earth to thier liking.....Earth is linked to Greenworld which is the natural life force of the Universe, under MOM....
Earth is not just a giant rock in Image the way it is in Marvel and DC....you fail to understand that.
Heaven and Hell are also nearly infinite in dimension....just read Spawn 100, and a couple of other key issues, and you will see.
The power of God and Satan from Spawn is not just considerable.....they would beat nearly anyone from Marvel of DC.
They are undefeatable...that simple. They cannot die or be destroyed, they are infinitely powerful...that is NOT pure rhetoric, the Mother herself claimed this, and she does not lie.
If TOAA or Yahweh claimed something, you wouldn't challenge it, would you fanboy ?
I doubt it...so why would you challenge a statement that the MOM made herself ? 😬
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
If he can beat beaten by one creation, then he can be beaten in any other, so rhetoric doesn't mean jack squat. There are PLENTY of characters in both universes that cannot die or be destroyed, but they have been beaten on more than one occasion. Look at Wolverine. Are you gonna say that Wolverine can't be beaten in the MU or DCU, because he's immortal? Nope.
First of all, you sound like a total idiot comparing Urizen, God, and Satan to Wolverine. 👇
Wolverine is not undestroyable by any means at all. If you blow up the planet, he will die. If you send him in the vacuum of space without ne protection, he will die.
What a horrible comparison you make.....
Considering how Marvel and DC will claim almost all their characters are
"indestructable" in some way, and considering the loads and loads of TOTAL PIS that Marvel and DC are filled with....I would never take it seriously when Marvel or DC claim to be undefeatable.
Spawn doesn't contain loads of PIS and exxagerated bullshit. In Spawn, in IMAGE, when something is claimed, it is what it is.
Characters are not constantly resurrected in Spawn the way they are in DC and Marvel.
Urizen was only defeated TWICE....once by the armies of Heaven and Hell who locked him up the first time, and second by Spawn and Angela with the help of Greenworld....Greenworld is the DOMAINE of the MOM, incase you didn't know....so ofcourse his second lock up would be inevitable....
God and Satan are truly indestructable, the MOM claimed so, she does not lie, and she is the most powerful being in Image....so for you to challenge what she says is a whole other issue, and not my problem.
They will fight for all Eternity with no victory, since niether can be destroyed.
You seem to know VERY LITTLE, if NE THING about the Spawn mythos....
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Once again, what have the God and Satan of that universe done to show if they're beatable or not? Wasn't Malebolgia supposed to be really uber? Look at how quickly he went down.
Malebolgia was the Lord of the 8th Circle of Hell, who had killed angels, slew his master, created Hellspawn, collected souls, etc.
By issue 100, Malebolgia lost most of his power, enabling Spawn to defeat him with the help of Angela. Not to mention, Hell was no longer supporting Malebolgia in his defense, after the risk he took my releasing Urizen.
NEVER was it claimed that Malebolgia was infinately powerful, or immortal. He was never. Malebolgia is a liar, always has been, and anything he claims could not be trusted.
God and Satan are infinitely powerful and truly immortal, MOM claimed so, so any argument you make against that is POINTLESS.....
You obviously have not read Spawn extensively, else you would summon your knowledge of the power of Heaven, Hell, and Greenworld, then put two and two together to realize how powerful these characters truly are.
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Yet he was defeated and destroyed by a being that is no stronger than a Herald. Though Urizen was tough, he's not anything that someone along the lines of the Silver Surfer or Majestros couldn't take out. Once again, you're claiming something with a fallacy. If it's supposedly unbeatable, but can be beaten, that nullifies the claim that someone cannot be defeated in battle.
Spawn did NOT defeat URIZEN ON HIS OWN. INFACT, SPAWN WAS KILLED THE FIRST TIME HE FOUGHT URIZEN ON HIS OWN....
AND YES Spawn at that AGE was STRONGER than any Herald...much more durable....have you even read the fkn comics ? You're ranting a lot of bullshit right now dude......
For you information, since you severely lack knowledge about Spawn, Spawn defeated Urizen with the Gift he obtained from GREENWORLD.
Greenworld....is the lifeforce of the Universe empowered by the Mother herself....by Man of Miracles. She claimed to be the leader of Greenworld....
SO URIZEN was defeated indirectly by the CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE...not my Spawn on his own.....
It was never stated that Urizen could not be defeated....he just cannot be DESTROYED....only contained
That is because he is a GOD, like God and Satan, however, because of his imprisonment in the Void, he was summoned in a SEVERELY weakened state...... read the issues 95-99 for the info.
Another argument of yours down the toilet.....
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Not really. Marvel and DCU both have their pantheons and different gods for different planets and races. The Skrulls have a pantheon. The Korbinites had a pantheon before they were wiped out. The Kree, the Shi'ar, etc. Every place has their own God, or multitude of Gods.
Anyone who has read Thor's Spiral and Reigning storylines could tell you that.
The "Gods" and "Pantheons" of Marvel and DC do not compare to God and Satan, because they are not truly immortal or indestructable. The deities of Marvel and DC are a joke.....they have been stumped defeated by lesser characters, and have had a full serving of the usual PIS that Marvel and DC delivers.
Every single WORLD in Image has its own GOD.....you cannot compare that to empires having a pantheon. It is not the same thing. Especially when that God is eternal and can NEVER die......
Tell me....what GOD in Spawn's mainstream series HAS EVER DIED ?
CAN U NAME ONE ????
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
If you had ever picked up a Spectre, Thor, or any comic that deals with those pantheons, you would be fully aware of that fact. However, you are obviously not aware of it. In fact, it's painfully obvious. You're making a lot of claims that are honestly completely and totally ignorant of the other universes.
I have picked up the Thor and Spectre series, and I am a big fan, but like I said before, those Gods do not compare to the Gods of Image.
You my freind, have proven to be totally ignorant of Spawn since you can't even explain how Urizen was defeated....you either only go by what you HEAR, or you don't actually READ the comic books, you only look at the pictures 😆
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
So, in closing, Spawn coming to the DCU or the MU wouldn't be that big of a deal until he does something along the lines of what Thanos did with the Heart of the Infinite. He'd be treated as either another JSA villain, or a Defenders villain. Nothing more.
Although God Spawn has not proven to be on Par with Thanos with HOTU, he would definately be wayyyyy above any JSA or DEFENDERS villian......he'd be on par with Galactus in the very least.
God Spawn created the WORLD and RESURRECTED EVERYONE ON IT you DUMBASS......
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
If you'd like to test your theory, I'd be more than happy to make a thread of Thanos w/HOTU vs 4th age Spawn, Phoenix Force vs Spawn, or Spectre vs Spawn, and see how it goes.
Seeing as how God Spawn cannot be destroyed, I'd say he'd have a totally fair chance at batlling Pheonix or Spectre.
Thanos w Hotu is another story since in Marvel he could change the rules of reality, but that would also be defying the transformation that MOM made on spawn, so that argument would never end.
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Until that time, please refrain from the crap you're spouting.
You're entire argument was Baseless and mistaken. You have made it clear that you do not truly know Spawn.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Let's see.....
God and Satan are rulers of Heaven and Hell. There are over 100 comic books displaying the feats of Hell and Heaven.Malebolgia has feats.....Mammon is hundreds of times superior to Malebolgia.....The Forgotten are the equivalent of Mammon, and Zera murdered all of the Forgotten.
God Spawn mutilates Zera in a heartbeat....that alone says a whole damn lot, dont ya think ?
Angela has impressive feats as well, and she is no more powerful than Spawn himself is....
What, exactly, did Malebolgia do? He sat there, and got decapitated.
Congratulations. He's worthless.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
God and Satan shaped the Earth to thier liking.....Earth is linked to Greenworld which is the natural life force of the Universe, under MOM....
Earth is not just a giant rock in Image the way it is in Marvel and DC....you fail to understand that.Heaven and Hell are also nearly infinite in dimension....just read Spawn 100, and a couple of other key issues, and you will see.
The power of God and Satan from Spawn is not just considerable.....they would beat nearly anyone from Marvel of DC.
And what have they done to show that? God and Satan, quite literally, have no visible feats to show for in that comic. Like Spawn has described himself, they sit back and watch what's going on.
Also, Earth isn't just "a big rock" in Marvel and DC either. In fact, nothing has ever happened to suggest that. In Marvel, it's been called "most favorable of worlds" by the Watcher, and the fact that it's special to TOAA speaks for itself. I'm sure that DC probably has similar things to show for it.
Also, I guarantee that God and Satan from Spawn couldn't do jack shit to even the Phoenix Force or Spectre, so if you wanna test that one, take it to the VS forum.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
They are undefeatable...that simple. They cannot die or be destroyed, they are infinitely powerful...that is NOT pure rhetoric, the Mother herself claimed this, and she does not lie.
That statement in itself is contradictory. How can you give the power to defeat something, which MOM gave Spawn, if something is undefeatable?
Makes no sense whatsoever, so it's just rhetoric. Plain and simple.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
If TOAA or Yahweh claimed something, you wouldn't challenge it, would you fanboy ?I doubt it...so why would you challenge a statement that the MOM made herself ? 😬
[b]First of all
, you sound like a total idiot comparing Urizen, God, and Satan to Wolverine. 👇[/B]
I think that, first of all, calling me a fanboy makes no sense whatsoever, considering that I've shown nothing in this thread, or on any other thread, to be a fanboy of anything.
So what am I a fanboy of? 😬
Sounds like you're projecting, heavily.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Wolverine is not undestroyable by any means at all. If you blow up the planet, he will die. If you send him in the vacuum of space without ne protection, he will die.What a horrible comparison you make.....
Considering how Marvel and DC will claim almost all their characters are
"indestructable" in some way, and considering the loads and loads of TOTAL PIS that Marvel and DC are filled with....I would never take it seriously when Marvel or DC claim to be undefeatable.
Spawn is a comic of recyclables. I already proved that in a different thread, so feel free to stop typing about that one, considering you can't back it up.
Also, any comic is full of "indestrucable" characters, and how many times has Spawn been blown apart, or even killed? Look at what Curse did when he dissected him.
Once again, more crap claims. Please stop.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Spawn doesn't contain loads of PIS and exxagerated bullshit. In Spawn, in IMAGE, when something is claimed, it is what it is.Characters are not constantly resurrected in Spawn the way they are in DC and Marvel.
How many times have the Plebiac brothers died and came back, again? How many times have the similar characters with the same premise (Redeemer, Female Angels, the multitudes of different Spawns that come in during the comic) came along?
There's literally dozens. You can't say that Spawn doesn't have any repitition, because it does.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Urizen was only defeated TWICE....once by the armies of Heaven and Hell who locked him up the first time, and second by Spawn and Angela with the help of Greenworld....Greenworld is the DOMAINE of the MOM, incase you didn't know....so ofcourse his second lock up would be inevitable....God and Satan are truly indestructable, the MOM claimed so, she does not lie, and she is the most powerful being in Image....so for you to challenge what she says is a whole other issue, and not my problem.
They will fight for all Eternity with no victory, since niether can be destroyed.
You seem to know VERY LITTLE, if NE THING about the Spawn mythos....
Yet I obviously have much more common sense. If someone is granted the power to destroy something, then that something is defeatable.
See how simple that was?
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Malebolgia was the Lord of the 8th Circle of Hell, who had killed angels, slew his master, created Hellspawn, collected souls, etc.By issue 100, Malebolgia lost most of his power, enabling Spawn to defeat him with the help of Angela. Not to mention, Hell was no longer supporting Malebolgia in his defense, after the risk he took my releasing Urizen.
[b]NEVER
was it claimed that Malebolgia was infinately powerful, or immortal. He was never. Malebolgia is a liar, always has been, and anything he claims could not be trusted.God and Satan are infinitely powerful and truly immortal, MOM claimed so, so any argument you make against that is POINTLESS.....
You obviously have not read Spawn extensively, else you would summon your knowledge of the power of Heaven, Hell, and Greenworld, then put two and two together to realize how powerful these characters truly are.
[/B]
Okay, for the last time, since this reply itself is getting beyond repetitive in its own right, if you can grant power to destroy something, that something is able to be defeated. Also, saying that someone from another universe couldn't defeat it is just sheer lunacy.
There's lots of undefeatable stuff from different universes. Image is no different. 😬
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
[b]Spawn did NOT defeat URIZEN ON HIS OWN. INFACT, SPAWN WAS KILLED THE FIRST TIME HE FOUGHT URIZEN ON HIS OWN....AND YES Spawn at that AGE was STRONGER than any Herald...much more durable....have you even read the fkn comics ? You're ranting a lot of bullshit right now dude......
For you information, since you severely lack knowledge about Spawn, Spawn defeated Urizen with the Gift he obtained from GREENWORLD.
Greenworld....is the lifeforce of the Universe empowered by the Mother herself....by Man of Miracles. She claimed to be the leader of Greenworld....
SO URIZEN was defeated indirectly by the CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE...not my Spawn on his own..... [/B]
It took Spawn to take him out, and he really didn't use anything special.
Also, saying he's got durability above a herald is just dumb, considering he's been shot through and sliced. His durability is actually far under them. He's just got a decent healing factor. 😬
Spawn got a small power boost, and beat Urizen. Big deal. Urizen didn't do anything to suggest that someone along the lines of Thanos, Despero, etc couldn't take it out.
Sorry. 😬
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
It was never stated that Urizen could not be defeated....he just [b]cannot be DESTROYED....only containedThat is because he is a GOD, like God and Satan, however, because of his imprisonment in the Void, he was summoned in a SEVERELY weakened state...... read the issues 95-99 for the info.
Another argument of yours down the toilet.....
[/B]
How can he only be contained when you're claiming the power of MOM. He/She could just blink him out of existance with the flick of a finger. 😬
What were you saying about a toilet again?
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
The "Gods" and "Pantheons" of Marvel and DC do not compare to God and Satan, because they are not truly immortal or indestructable. The deities of Marvel and DC are a joke.....they have been stumped defeated by lesser characters, and have had a full serving of the usual PIS that Marvel and DC delivers.Every single WORLD in Image has its own GOD.....you cannot compare that to empires having a pantheon. It is not the same thing. Especially when that God is eternal and can NEVER die......
Yet, MOM herself created the God and Satan of the Imageverse. If she can create it, she can destroy it. It's a basic principle of creation.
😬
It's the same way with TOAA and The Presence. Since they run the companies (TOAA and Presence are the comic versions of the heads of the two major companies) they decide who dies and who lives. Odin himself died, and was brought back.
However, you know absolutely nothing about Odin, so I'll explain.
Odin died during Thor v2, and after Thor's reign on Eath, he turned things back to make sure it didn't happen again.
Now, your general version of such would immediately think "OMG THAT IS PIS!" and not know anything about what happened.
Though resurrection is a running joke on comic boards, it not something to be taken seriously, and is sometimes integral to storylines. 😬
If Spawn died for a while, and they had to resurrect him, you wouldn't be bitching like you are now.
Now Folks, I'm just gonna skip the rest of the kid's argument, because it's the same old, same old.
LU, you need to honestly calm down, and look around. My argument had plenty of base to it, and still does. More than one person could say the same thing I did, and I honestly don't appreciate the insults that you keep throwing out just because I don't buy into the same crap you do.
Spawn is a good comic, but I am not making him out to be more than he is.
I suggest you read up a bit, take in some new comics, and so forth, but I'm gonna report you next time you fill a post with insults when someone else makes a good point.
In fact, I'm gonna take this to the VS forum, and let the people decide. Maybe then you'll see the truth.
-Beta Ray Howard
--KMC Magiks Beta Ray Bill. 😮💨
howard calm down pally you havent proven nothing yourself, lord urizen proved alot more then you.
malbolgia just sat there rightttt he had the same powers as king spawn meaning he could do whatever he could, stop time, recreate the world and suck, when he did get his head cut off he was in a weak state he had just freed urizen and was definatly not at full power, oh and he killed angela before he died, and that lance is suppose to kill anything from hell so your not impressing anyone with your he just sat there and died, you read all this stuff but you dont read between the lines buddy.
then you say god and satan have no visible feats, hmm how about the nine levels of hell which satan created who else would have, oh and he had controll of all those levels meaning nine guys like spawn who where uber strong, beside that he was equal to god, same god who created the earth and heaven which itself was a seemingly infinite universe as was hell, your statement is nonsense.
where did lord urizen say they where unbeatable he just said they where indestructable, meaning nothing could hurt them not even each other but am i gonna say MU could just show up and take over like you or DCU nope.
umm everything you have shown on this thread points to you being a fanboy, you never bring proof or examples of nothing, all you do is sit there and go DCU WINS or MU WINS after we tell you how spawn can defeat or at least hang with them, after that happens you just come out and go OH YOUR PROOF IS POOP DCU AND MU WIN.
nobody said spawn was indestructable before, just hard to kill, we know he has died before this new fourth age, nobody said he didnt, your statement is now worthless, we're saying NOW he is probably indestructable or to a new level of it.
spawn may have reucurring themes but not on the level of marvel or dc why cause they are bigger, and do the same crap every single damn time, at least when image does it they are new powers, or new designs something interesting, and lord urizen is saying is that when angela or someone dies thats it there wont be no malbolgia or angela suddenly popping up saying HI IM BACK OH DONT ASK HOW IM JUST BACK. MU does that they seperate galactus from his power but now he's back at it again do they say why nope. Do they say why certain characters die then just pop up nope, DC does the same thing they say oh he was just sleeping not dead.
the mother never granted spawn the power to destroy god and satan just to even the odds between the earth and god and satans BS war again your misreading.
once again lord urizen is not saying they cant be defeated or else the MOM would not be above spawn right now.....HELLOOOOOOO.......beside that he's just saying he's indestructable and so is god and satan not that there undefeatable.
umm your argument is still lame, so urizen didnt do nothing special sept take on the armies of heaven and hell in the past and not die but only be defeated wow buddy you sure have a good point right there, yeah and its sinking, anyway he didnt even have his full power yet, i think the feat he showed in the comics was probably good since he didnt even have his full power, and so what if he didnt show anything above thanos that doesnt mean he cant, some say that surfer has better feats then galactus does that mean galactus is lower then surfer NOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
and your little thing about spawns durability, if surfer can get his head cut off and still heal then you can talk to me, in the second age he could die and just come back good enough for me buddy, his power still outmatches ANY herald in second age. in the fourth age now he cant be destroyed by satan or god you think surfer is gonna pull the power up to destroy him I DOUBT IT, oh yeah and if surfer and them or thanos both met buddy i doubt any of them have the durability to handle a hellblast capable of melting heaven's gates which spawn did not even at his strongest but second age, oh yeah please point out the times surfer and thanos stoped time on there own power......i doubt you will.
didnt you just say earlier about how some guys always say there indestructable, i guess urizen is indestructable to a super high level, even the juggernaut can be hurt with succifiant magic or power, IE onslaught. Please point out to us who in the MU or DCU is as powerful as the MoM who could destroy urizen NOBODY, sept maybe beyonder who isnt that powerful no more, eternity nope he couldnt, not if the armies of heaven and hell couldnt.
Your arguments arent that great yourself so stop acting all big and bad its not workinggggggg.
Originally posted by Mider999Can I put out proof?
im not a fanboy thanks, so dont call me one, i have read about alot of high powered characters in marveleternity
galactus
thanos
lord order and chaos
the lords of order and chaos from dc
lucifer morningstar I OWN ALL THE SERIES
sandman and alot of his mini's
swampthingetc thanks stopping time isnt a big power to you i guess, whatever buddy not my problem, i know odin's feats and i know that technically they shouldnt be greater then galactus, he's not a great cosmic power he's not needed, when cosmic level trouble comes, they dont call him they call the cosmics, not odin or zues.
I dont have extreme fanboyism i just like to respect a companies right to there powerful characters, and for this other dude to be saying oh well MU and DCU are stronger then spawn, by what proof does he have that he isnt, odin can create galaxies in his prime who cares, the argus ate MULTI galaxic life, an angel lower then spawn, who is now WAY LOWER defeated it.
king thor took over the world wow big woop, spawn did too and his powers where still not as big as they are now, and he didnt lose like king thor, he didnt have any usurpers or inserectors, he was in total controll, he lost it and turned everything back. I know about annihilation i know that two being ageis and tenebrus have equal power or almost equal power to galactus, who cares, there not indestructable.
Also who has endurance in the MU to go up against spawn pray tell, anyone have equal endurance to heavens gates in DCU or MU if so point him out, cause spawn had the power to melt those gates when he was king spawn. Swamp thing was just a plant but he took on the word a nigh omnipatent from DCU, are you just gonna call him a plant thats sad.
why dont you put up some proof instead of just calling me stupid, if you wanna embarress me go ahead i couldnt care less. Just put some proof cause i hate when people go oh he's stronger and use fancy words like this other dude, instead of giving proof, thats why i supposidly lost a fight against some dude just cause i said the thing would lose to deathstroke, suddenly everyone sides with him, not cause of his so called knowledge but just cause he kept saying oh mider your grammer is bad and blah blah blah
The people on the planets have nowhere to run.
Infinity rivals Odin's own power.
Infinity grabs another planet.
Infinity is trying to take over Odin.
More destruction occurs. Karnilla attacks him to no avail.
Loki and Karnilla give strength to Odin, and that gives pause to Infinity.
Infinity has almost claimed Odin.
The attack on Odin, has awoken Odin. Odin defeats Infinity.
"Every world, where carnage has occurred..." Then Odin heals it all.
Also, about that whole, "Odin and Galactus" thing. I will agree with you there. Odin should be nowhere near Galactus.
Also about the above scans, same thing happened with Galactus... except, he was destroying the entire universe, until he stopped himself.
I don't think that the Gods, and Satan's of Image have done anything to put them at the level that some put them at.
Although, I do think they are written very well. I often pondered about that whole thing about God (real life), and it would make sense that there would be one on every planet (comics).
Anyway... another thing. Thor has turned back time before, Surfer has traveled in time, etc. Stopping time isn't a feat that would make him surpass all.
Originally posted by Mider999
i really couldnt care less what odin did in the past, i dont think he has that power no more, he cant even defeat the celestials yet he can do all that crap whatever i think not, beside alot of characters have been reconned even the IG who knows if Odin is not as strong as he use to be.
How can a character be Reconned?
You are aware that Recon means to scope something out, right?
you dont know nothing about comics obviously then i guess, in comics recon means reconfigure i guess or whatever, it means they change a character in a certain way to suit a future storyline, it completely changes continuity, the beyonder in secret wars was the greatest power in the multiverse he had power greater then the multiverse combined times a few million yet in later incarnations it was reconned to be a lie and he was reconned to be nothing more then HALF a cosmic cube, and his feats illusions, but before that he created an entire universe from his death, defeated the celestials HAND TO HAND, killed death then made a new one, destroyed a galaxy as if it was a joke, doom said a small not even a fraction i think of his power could darken 10 thousand suns or something like that, he could just wish anyone dead, whatever he thought came to be.
Galactus when he first showed up in MU he was called the greatest power obviously this was reconned in comics because eternity later come out and other beings of greater cosmic power
the infinity gauntlet was once the greatest power in a universe maybe more then just a universe, it could supposidly create other universes, controll all time. space, mind, soul, and reality, with a snap of the wearers fingers, it was shown to defeat eternity, and the other cosmics all at once, eternity even wanted it for himself, with the IG you could even become the new eternity but still be less powerful then the IG, yet today the IG has been reconned to be less powerful then eternity
in the past when the LT appeared in a comic it was him cause he had no counters what so ever, now they added that he does indeed have M-bodys or whatever, they say he is the greatest power sept for TOAA but he has shown very weak showings, and not like oh i didnt wanna do it so i didnt i mean stuff like he just ran from a fight from korvac, recently he got thrown out of a universe by reed richards and a super weapon, in other comics he bowed to the phoenix force.
Originally posted by Mider999
you dont know nothing about comics obviously then i guess, in comics recon means reconfigure i guess or whatever, it means they change a character in a certain way to suit a future storyline, it completely changes continuity, the beyonder in secret wars was the greatest power in the multiverse he had power greater then the multiverse combined times a few million yet in later incarnations it was reconned to be a lie and he was reconned to be nothing more then HALF a cosmic cube, and his feats illusions, but before that he created an entire universe from his death, defeated the celestials HAND TO HAND, killed death then made a new one, destroyed a galaxy as if it was a joke, doom said a small not even a fraction i think of his power could darken 10 thousand suns or something like that, he could just wish anyone dead, whatever he thought came to be.Galactus when he first showed up in MU he was called the greatest power obviously this was reconned in comics because eternity later come out and other beings of greater cosmic power
the infinity gauntlet was once the greatest power in a universe maybe more then just a universe, it could supposidly create other universes, controll all time. space, mind, soul, and reality, with a snap of the wearers fingers, it was shown to defeat eternity, and the other cosmics all at once, eternity even wanted it for himself, with the IG you could even become the new eternity but still be less powerful then the IG, yet today the IG has been reconned to be less powerful then eternity
in the past when the LT appeared in a comic it was him cause he had no counters what so ever, now they added that he does indeed have M-bodys or whatever, they say he is the greatest power sept for TOAA but he has shown very weak showings, and not like oh i didnt wanna do it so i didnt i mean stuff like he just ran from a fight from korvac, recently he got thrown out of a universe by reed richards and a super weapon, in other comics he bowed to the phoenix force.
If you're gonna make an attempt at debating, at least get your terms right.
Oh, by the way,
*sigh* the word is RETCON YOU IDIOT! RETCON! NOT RECON! Mider, just shut up and admit defeat. You can't win this unless you have scans and considerable evidence. You are using statements of power and hyperbole, which is worthless compared to on-panel feats and direct evidence. Btw, thanks for the infinity scans, Bigbran. Comparing Odin to the celestials is unfair, they are far stronger than him and all of Asgard, considering they slagged the destroyer with the odinsword and all of Asgard in it. And they'd probably beat out the image universe, excepting MoM. Hey....MoM. Mom. lmao.
Edit: Damn, you beat me to it. Great smiley. 😄
