Originally posted by Blair Wind
We can prove Keepers usefulness with the bands. Thats besides the point. (and we can prove that he can do at least the more general quasar techniques)And darth, I understand your point, but your EX AM falls into the same trap of potential 😬
We would not be using him with EVERY major SS/Quasar feat (or even most at all). Just the basic stuff that we can extract from the powers. Limit us in that fashion and I HAVE to insist the same be done to you.
When bigbran and I use EX AM, all we'll be using 616 feats for is to show the effects of his transformations not proof of what he's already absorbed in the EX universe. So basically, we'd do things like prove that he should be able to turn into light, and then show what abilities was gained in that form in the 616 universe. We're not going to be doing anything like using the regular AM's showing to show what he CAN turn into, we'll be using them to show the effects of the transformations after we prove that he should be able to do it.
If we're now allowed to pull feats strait from their 616 counterparts, then bigbran and I should be allowed to have EX AM turn into Mjolnir(not uru, an actual giant sized Mjolnir power wielding AM, complete with all of its abilities), or Quasar's Quantum Bands(with all the abilities that Quasar has shown).
I really don't have a problem with the Keeper being drafted(though it IS kind of messed up that he was rejected for Digi/Scoob), the only real problem I have is with the uber feats that are going to be available to him because 616 Surfer and Quasar have steadily grown in the amount of power they have been shown to possess over the years. But if Batdude says that's ok then that's that(though in that case bigbran and I SHOULD be able to use ALL of regular AM's transformations minus the Odin Force of course).
Anyway, does anyone have a list of the Keeper's appearances so that I can get ready for him?
Originally posted by darthgoober
The difference is that we(bigbran and I) won't HAVE any uber feats to use in a match. The most impressive feat of EX AM's is absorbing the properties of a city(which I already said we wouldn't use if everyone thought it would surpass the cap), and the most impressive feat of regular AM's is absorbing the Odin Force(and that form would definitely put him over the cap so we have absolutely no intention of using it). However, 616 Surfer and Quasar both have feats that when added together WOULD put someone on Thanos's level(taking down Watcher's and such). The Keeper was(unless I'm mistaken about this, which is possible) never really portrayed as being as powerful with his individual component powers as his 616 counter parts. He may have been shown to be more powerful than Quasar and Surfer where being portrayed at the time he was introduced, but both have accumulated several MAJOR feats since then(like when Surfer took down the Uni lord). It's not so much about a character having the POTENTIAL to equal or exceed Thanos(just about everyone in the tourney can with 20 minutes prep and power meshing if they're not ), as it is about the character having the feats to equal Thanos before the match starts. And as I said before, if the feats of 616 Quasar, 616 Surfer, and the Keeper are totalled together, he DOES equal Thanos.When bigbran and I use EX AM, all we'll be using 616 feats for is to show the effects of his transformations not proof of what he's already absorbed in the EX universe. So basically, we'd do things like prove that he should be able to turn into light, and then show what abilities was gained in that form in the 616 universe. We're not going to be doing anything like using the regular AM's showing to show what he CAN turn into, we'll be using them to show the effects of the transformations after we prove that he should be able to do it.
If we're now allowed to pull feats strait from their 616 counterparts, then bigbran and I should be allowed to have EX AM turn into Mjolnir(not uru, an actual giant sized Mjolnir power wielding AM, complete with all of its abilities), or Quasar's Quantum Bands(with all the abilities that Quasar has shown).
I really don't have a problem with the Keeper being drafted(though it IS kind of messed up that he was rejected for Digi/Scoob), the only real problem I have is with the uber feats that are going to be available to him because 616 Surfer and Quasar have steadily grown in the amount of power they have been shown to possess over the years. But if Batdude says that's ok then that's that(though in that case bigbran and I SHOULD be able to use ALL of regular AM's transformations minus the Odin Force of course).
Anyway, does anyone have a list of the Keeper's appearances so that I can get ready for him?
I think it is a bit different though. Guardians of Galaxy universe Keeper is identical to 616 Surfer. When mentioning his past events, they actually refer to 616 comics, because Guardians of Galaxy 'verse and 616 'verse were the same until the the point they divert, Keeper isn't simply just another alternate version of Surfer. This same doesn't of course apply to Quasar, because the bands have different wearer.
But we know that there have been special circumstances in the uber feats that the both have done, so me and BW are not going to use them. I think nobody can argue against us doing the simpler feats, though.
Originally posted by Scoobless
Soon Digi and myself may be the only team without a sig "uniform"😐
I'm sure he's working on something though .... and I may come up with an "away" strip as well, just for the hell of it.
Jeez. Mungi rooting for people already because they have a sig?
We're just waiting until the actual battles and such...it's a bit early yet.
...I'll get to it next week Scoob. But with how far we're planning on going in the tourney, we can afford to wait to wear them. We'll let these flash-in-the-pan first round losers wear theirs now.
😉
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I think it is a bit different though. Guardians of Galaxy universe Keeper is identical to 616 Surfer. When mentioning his past events, they actually refer to 616 comics, because Guardians of Galaxy 'verse and 616 'verse were the same until the the point they divert, Keeper isn't simply just another alternate version of Surfer. This same doesn't of course apply to Quasar, because the bands have different wearer.But we know that there have been special circumstances in the uber feats that the both have done, so me and BW are not going to use them. I think nobody can argue against us doing the simpler feats, though.
(And again, can I get a list of a couple of his appearances so I can check him out?)
Originally posted by darthgoober
Yes but what uber and simple feats are you talking about? Because what you consider uber and over the top and what I consider uber and over the top may be two completely different things, and that's not the kind of thing you want to find out in the middle of a match. What EX AM is banned from doing has already been touched upon in some detail, so what exactly is off limits for Keeper?And at what point did the Keeper's universe divert(just curious)?(And again, can I get a list of a couple of his appearances so I can check him out?)
I consider uber feats those where the guy is fighting for his loved ones and unleashes a huge blast and destroys the bad guy for once and all...or does something amazing that he never has done before...or completely exerts himself doing those feats...or defeats an seemingly superior.
I consider normal feats those which the guy does like normal, virtually no trouble at all, and nothing new is introduced that would lead him in doing that feat.
As for Keeper's appearences...umm, Guardians of the Galaxy #24, #25, "58, #59, #60, Silver Surfer Annual #4, Cyberspace 3000 #3-#5. Those should be them. Of course all Silver Surfer appearences before the diverting point of Guardians universe can be counted too. 😛
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I consider uber feats those where the guy is fighting for his loved ones and unleashes a huge blast and destroys the bad guy for once and all...or does something amazing that he never has done before...or completely exerts himself doing those feats...or defeats an seemingly superior.I consider normal feats those which the guy does like normal, virtually no trouble at all, and nothing new is introduced that would lead him in doing that feat.
As for Keeper's appearences...umm, Guardians of the Galaxy #24, #25, "58, #59, #60, Silver Surfer Annual #4, Cyberspace 3000 #3-#5. Those should be them. Of course all Silver Surfer appearences before the diverting point of Guardians universe can be counted too. 😛
So if I can find the divergent point of the EX universe, I CAN use ANYTHING that AM has absorbed(not the Odin Force mind you, just things like the Quantum Bands and Mjolnir)?
Originally posted by darthgoober
Thanks.So if I can find the divergent point of the EX universe, I CAN use ANYTHING that AM has absorbed(not the Odin Force mind you, just things like the Quantum Bands and Mjolnir)?
I'm pretty sure only after the Ultron upgrade he could remember what he absorbed - Absorbing Man before that could not, and Ultron can't bring back memories that aren't there.