Batdude's Third Round Tourney Draft

Started by Blair Wind9 pages

Nah. Id say it was = to Superman plus Hal Jordan. Its not about raw power its about willpower 😛

Its still SS, and he just has extra practice with the bands. Quasar would be a match for him (if you take the power cosmic away from the fight).

Thanos would still beat on him. The man took on Odin! If I'm not mistaken he took on Tyrant as well. He can take multiple heralds and would take Keeper as well. Beating on a non fed for 500 years Galactus should not put him out of the tourny 😬

Two other showings show what A) normal, average Galactus can do
and what a B) Fed galactus can do.

I try to be as unbiased as possible, but I gotta side with my partner here this time.

It's like Superman 1 Million (maybe a bad example, but I'm trying), having absorbed eons of sunlight. Except Surfer's been loaded with power cosmic, and also quantum energy, for centuries as the Keeper. It's now a huge way past herald and even Skyfather, in both cases.

I'm willing to conceded that he's not, say, Galactus level. But saying Keeper = Quasar + Surfer is also more than a little naive.

The thing is for a long period of time he didnt even have power cosmic 😬
He had to realize that it was part of him and he could get it back in the story line....

Guardians of the Galaxy where giving him a rough time and they were nobodies at all!.....he really IS not above Thanos. When thanos has is being even remotely matched by anyone equal to them we can talk. Till then, Keeper stands as a valid pick

The Keeper is cheap, but I guess, all in all, he's actually just a smart pick.

Slightly unfair to the other competitors, sure. But still just a smart pick.

He's done nothing to make me think he's above Thanos level. 😬.

I hear what you're saying Blair, and I don't want to argue the point. I think everyone's made their case, and BD can hopefully make an informed decision. It just seems like this was a guy getting Skyfather+ cred up until now, just like a few others (EXAM comes to mind). They're still beatable, but it just makes me uneasy when it's likely a few crazy things will come out in the battles.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I hear what you're saying Blair, and I don't want to argue the point. I think everyone's made their case, and BD can hopefully make an informed decision. It just seems like this was a guy getting Skyfather+ cred up until now, just like a few others (EXAM comes to mind). They're still beatable, but it just makes me uneasy when it's likely a few crazy things will come out in the battles.

Its ok. Me and DC were actually perplexed as to WHY he was getting Skyfather cred. We actually went back and re-read all that we could to make sure we had not missed something. We still stand by our affirmation that he is not above thanos level 😬

And I would have to agree Soljer. Cheap? Maybe. Smart and Valid?? Hell yes 😄

Sorry it took a while but here's our pick..
Spartan w/voids upgrade
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Void_%28comics%29, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spartan_%28comics%29#Jack_Marlowe
Ill try to find one thats not wiki but for now i quess that will do...
Now i know he hasnt made that many appearances but since the orb contains void essence/experience i could use her feat as well w/ Spartans. I dont know if thats a problem..

I think Khell wanted him for the last tourney, and ran into some problems with the whole Void thing.

He seems ok at a glance, but we may need some clarification, at least on the Void aspect, before I feel comfortable not complaining.

Also, the wiki bio for Void isn't anything about the character....I've seen a credible one, so I know it has to be out there somewhere.

Yup im looking into it right now, as soon as i find a better it, ill post it..

Just thought i'd post this here (kudos to digi)

BW / DC -
Black Alice
All-Star Superman
The Keeper??

Lucid Lui / DevilLance -
DL - Quasar
LL - X-Man
Both - Mangog

trolly / King Kandy -
Fallen One
He-Man
Graviton

Roldz/Nino -
Superman Blue
UNION
Spartan (w/Void)

Souja/ MartianMind -
Dr Light
Juggernaut
Beta Ray Bill

Digi / Scoob -
Digi: Adam Warlock
Scoob: Majestic
Both: Thor

PR/Rewmac-
Vulcan (Sway & Petra, no Darwin)
Superman
Hal Jordan

Bran / Darthgoober -
Earth X Absorbing Man
Despero
Surfer

I edited it a bit again. There's bios for nearly everyone now. All we need now is a definite decision on Keeper, and "you/me/both" distinctions from each team for the debates.

Me and rewmac have that pretty much sorted, just needs to be finalised...

I'm guessing:

Vulcan - Rew
Supes - pr
Hal - Both

...seems to make the most sense. But of course, you're free to be dumb about it.

😛

Originally posted by Blair Wind
The thing is for a long period of time he didnt even have power cosmic 😬
He had to realize that it was part of him and he could get it back in the story line....

Guardians of the Galaxy where giving him a rough time and they were nobodies at all!.....he really IS not above Thanos. When thanos has is being even remotely matched by anyone equal to them we can talk. Till then, Keeper stands as a valid pick


Ok, I'm just going to say my piece and let it be about the Keeper. I'm sure that in his ACTUAL appearances, he was never really portrayed as being above Thanos in power. However, if you guys start using the 616 versions of Quasar and Surfer, he might actually hit that level. The reason for this is because both Surfer and Quasar DO have some spectacular feats. If you add together the total showings of the Keeper, Surfer, and Quasar it might actually end up being over Thanos. Think of it this way, Surfer and Quasar from 616 have both taken on a Watcher(and Watcher's ARE above Thanos) right? Well for each of them to do it once really means nothing(cause just about everyone that's been around for a while has a massive feat to their record), but being able to use BOTH showings would lend believability to the feat by the character. You'd be able to say that both have done it on their own, so imagine the power of the techniques used when combined. Basically you'd be able to use ANY feat of their's no questions asked(and like I said, if you add together all three's highest showings, you have a character that is at the very least on Thanos's level, even if he doesn't surpass him. The Keeper was a character that was introduced before most of Surfer and Quasar's most impressive feats, so being able to draw on all those feats will make him superior than was originally intended for him, and that's before power meshing. The only real way I could see of him being under Thanos, would be to restrict him to feats he actually preformed(thus removing many of the questionable feats).

Like I said at the first, I'm not trying to raise a major fuss here, and I won't be complaining if Keeper's allowed, I was just pointing something out. But I've said my piece so I'll leave it to batdude to decide.

I don't see how using feats from Quasar is a valid argument for Keeper. Just because the Quantum bands, in Quasar's possesion, have proven capable of doing something, doesn't mean Keeper is capable of the same things.

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
I don't see how using feats from Quasar is a valid argument for Keeper. Just because the Quantum bands, in Quasar's possesion, have proven capable of doing something, doesn't mean Keeper is capable of the same things.

Cosigned.

No name Green Lantern #5852 can't do the same things as Hal Jordan or Kyle Rayner just because they both wield Lantern Rings.

We can prove Keepers usefulness with the bands. Thats besides the point. (and we can prove that he can do at least the more general quasar techniques)

And darth, I understand your point, but your EX AM falls into the same trap of potential 😬

We would not be using him with EVERY major SS/Quasar feat (or even most at all). Just the basic stuff that we can extract from the powers. Limit us in that fashion and I HAVE to insist the same be done to you.

What Blair Wind said...

And I am pretty sure that I already DID prove that he is below Thanos...if you need any extra scans, though...

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Nah. Id say it was = to Superman plus Hal Jordan.

No.

A GL field can protect a regular human from attacks that could hurt/KO class 100 character ... slap that field over Superman and nothing short of Thanos is going to even dent him.

Surfer already starts off more durable than Superman and Quasar's energy fields have been shown to withstand Galactus' attacks easily enough.

Hal & Superman would have no chance against a Super GL with more experience than both combined.

Originally posted by Scoobless
No.

A GL field can protect a regular human from attacks that could hurt/KO class 100 character ... slap that field over Superman and nothing short of Thanos is going to even dent him.

Surfer already starts off more durable than Superman and Quasar's energy fields have been shown to withstand Galactus' attacks easily enough.

Hal & Superman would have no chance against a Super GL with more experience than both combined.

as if....Superman would crack surfers effing head open and watch the glitter, spew from his neck.