Pre-crisis Superman with the Sword of Superman vs Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Just answer these specific questions then. Please tell me how quasar using the UN as a weapon equals Reed using The Un as a multiversal repair thingy is equal? The circumstances are completely not the same.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And one more question, becuz Eternity wrestled back The infinite, is he now multiversal as the Infinites clearly are?

That has nothing to do with the points I'm making.

Originally posted by Galan007
The circumstance aren't the same, but the energies within the UN ARE the same, and an Incomplete IG controlled those energies.

How can Eternity whom= a single universe, be more then Universal?

That has nothing to do with the points I'm making.

If the circumstances aren't the same then how can we be sure the UN was the same? The UN most certainly has grown in power as has Galactus. Which the UN is part of. And SUperman's Heat vision is the same, But in one instance he can use it to burn a hole in a mountain, other times he can use it to destroy the entire mountain. And woudn' you say that Reed is more adept at using the UN than Quasar? And I'm saying the IG is universal and that just becuz something is universal doesn't mean that it can't beat something multiversal. ETernity did it. The IG very well may have controlled the energy of the UN. it doesn't make the IG multiversal.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The IG very well may have controlled the energy of the UN. it doesn't make the IG multiversal.

And since we know that the UN's energies are Multiversal, the IG would also have to be Multiversal because the Incomplete IG controlled those energies. Also lets remember that it was merging more then 1 reality.

Originally posted by Galan007
An Incomplete IG did control the UN's energies, and even turned them back on its user.

And since we know that the UN's energies are Multiversal, the IG is also Multiversal because it controlled those energies. It also was merging more then 1 reality.

That doesn't work for me. You see, Quasar fumbling trying to use the Un as a beam weapon isn't even in the same wrealm of power or use as Reed using the UN to remake all the multiverse. You cannot even try to begin to say that it is. So that entire argument is down the tubes. Also, The other reality the magus was merging, was already his to control. He made it witht he cosmic cubes. Show me the Un merging two realities outside of the wearers control. It won't happen. The argument does not stand. And no matter how people try to force it to, it just doesn't measure up. it is too easy to scrutinize. Without the circumstances being the same, or at the user being the same, You can't say becuz the IG did this on this day, it can do this on that day years later. That is like saying becuz Thor beat Scarlet witch in year two of the avengers, he is now Multiversal becuz technically, Scarlet witches powers have not grown. They were always the same. She just lost control.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
That doesn't work for me. You see, Quasar fumbling trying to use the Un as a beam weapon isn't even in the same wrealm of power or use as Reed using the UN to remake all the multiverse. You cannot even try to begin to say that it is.

Magus with an Incomplete IG totally controlled the energies within the UN.

The UN's user wouldn't matter in that case because an Incomplete IG can manipulate the energies contained within the UN.

an Incomplete IG>UN

Originally posted by Galan007
Dude, Magus didn't just control what Quasar fired at him, because technically Quasar never got the chance to fire the UN.

Magus with an Incomplete IG totally controlled the energies within the UN.

The UN's user wouldn't matter in that case because an Incomplete IG can manipulate the energies contained within the UN.

an Incomplete IG>UN

That actually weakens ur argument. Your saying that quasar never got a chance to fire. You realize the Un is just a weapon. it's not like it has a will. So technically, The magus could have just usurped control of the Un over quasar and shot quasar with his very gun. The magus could also make wolverine punch the shit out of himself. Youjust weakened the argument by alot by saying quasar never even got a chance to shoot.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
That actually weakens ur argument. Your saying that quasar never got a chance to fire. You realize the Un is just a weapon. it's not like it has a will. So technically, The magus could have just usurped control of the Un over quasar and shot quasar with his very gun. The magus could also make wolverine punch the shit out of himself. Youjust weakened the argument by alot by saying quasar never even got a chance to shoot.

Just as Quasar was fireing the UN, Magus manipulated those energies, along with the UN as a whole, and turned them back on Quasar.

Like it or not, Magus had complete control over the energies contained within the UN.

IG>UN

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Who wins?

Thanos w/HOTI

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The DCU was a multiverse then. Multi-Eternity could give two shits abouts the IG. There is even more than one IG. I think he would have been more like Multi-Eternity.

What is Multi-Eternity

Originally posted by guy222
What is Multi-Eternity

but for the purposes of this thread it has no meaning.

Originally posted by Galan007
I weakened nothing.

Just as Quasar was fireing the UN, Magus manipulated those energies, along with the UN as a whole, and turned them back on Quasar.

Like it or not, Magus had complete control over the energies contained within the UN.

IG>UN

I'm not the only one who has shot that argument to pieces here on the threads. You can't take what the UN did in a completely differnt arc, YEARS later, by someone differnt, and then equate the IG as somehow SUperior and multiversal based on an earlier panel feat. That is pure rediculousness. Especially given the fact that REED is leagues smarter than Quasar and Knows how to use the UN, The fact that the UN was being used for something completely differnt, it wasn't being used as a single beam weapon when REEd used it, and the Un is connected to BIG and BIg is clearly shown to grow in power and importance over the years. Your entire argument is unfounded and can't stand up under scrutiny.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I'm not the only one who has shot that argument to pieces here on the threads. You can't take what the UN did in a completely differnt arc, YEARS later, by someone differnt, and then equate the IG as somehow SUperior and multiversal based on an earlier panel feat. That is pure rediculousness. Especially given the fact that REED is leagues smarter than Quasar and Knows how to use the UN, The fact that the UN was being used for something completely differnt, it wasn't being used as a single beam weapon when REEd used it, and the Un is connected to BIG and BIg is clearly shown to grow in power and importance over the years. Your entire argument is unfounded and can't stand up under scrutiny.

Sure it can't bud.

You'll sit here and argue all day, I tried to stop a while ago because it gets boring stating the exact same things time after time.

All it turns into is an arguing contest, and you more then others, are known for your fits.

So like I said before, I'm done with this. There is no point in arguing.

Originally posted by Galan007
😂

Sure it can't bud.

You'll sit here and argue all day, I tried to stop a while ago because it gets boring stating the exact same things time after time.

All it turns into is an arguing contest, and you more then others, are known for your fits.

So like I said before, I'm done with this. There is no point in arguing.

It doesn't matter. I'm right. You can't take something did years earlier, by someone differnt, being used differntly and try to make what you want to fit fit. it doesn't work like that. That is why people always ask when did certain defeats and wins happen. You can't take the timeline of something and the context of something else and then make them fit. It doesn't work like that. REED is smarter than quasar and used the Un very differently. End of story. Nothing else can be argued. you can't argue with that.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It doesn't matter. I'm right. You can't take something did years earlier, by someone differnt, being used differntly and try to make what you want to fit fit. it doesn't work like that. That is why people always ask when did certain defeats and wins happen. You can't take the timeline of something and the context of something else and then make them fit. It doesn't work like that. REED is smarter than quasar and used the Un very differently. End of story. Nothing else can be argued. you can't argue with that.

Your sooooo right.

the UN>IG 😂

Originally posted by Galan007
Sure bud..... 🙄

Your sooooo right.

the UN>IG 😂

When the IG is shown on panel, Stopping the UN from remaking the Multiverse, by a very competant user such as REEd, Then and only then will the IG>UN. Until then, it's fan raving hyperbole that has created this rediculous circular time theory of logic that isn't even allowed in versus matches.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
When the IG is shown on panel, Stopping the UN from remaking the Multiverse, by a very competant user such as REEd, Then and only then will the IG>UN.

😂

Originally posted by Galan007
😱 WOW!

😂

People usually resort to things like this when they can't answer a challenge to an established idea or a really vexing question. Eternity Beat back an infinite, Does this now make him Multiversal?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
People usually resort to things like this when they can't answer a challenge to an established idea or a really vexing question. Eternity Beat back an infinite, Does this now make him Multiversal?

First off, Eternity didn't beat back an infinite.

Secondly the scan clearly showed someone using the UN against Magus with an incomplete gauntlet, and magus clearly stating that he turned back the energies of the UN. The UN destroys whatever it's wielder wants it to destroy, end of story.

Originally posted by Kutulu
First off, Eternity didn't beat back an infinite.

Secondly the scan clearly showed someone using the UN against Magus with an incomplete gauntlet, and magus clearly stating that he turned back the energies of the UN. The UN destroys whatever it's wielder wants it to destroy, end of story.

It exactly what EVER it's wielder wants it to destroy. THis instance the UN was not in any way being used to do anything Multiversal in power and Quasar clear isn't an expert like REED. Thanks. Next argument please.