Originally posted by paisapower
U are correct, he actually one shot Diana in IC
He didn't one shot her - he got a good punch on her that temporarily BFR'd her (though not a proper BFR, by forum standards, as she returned just a few panels later); she cut him with her sword, which hurt him and pissed him off.
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With that said, Mongul has the advantage (although marginally) in terms of relative strength, and has a durability edge, as well. But in a proper forum battle (as opposed to a "proper" comic setting, where plot and dialogue "get in the way"😉, Diana should take the majority, due to speed and her weapons.
EDIT: And, of course, that assumes the "general" current WW, and not the WW of her current story/plot-line, who *barely* qualifies as Linda Carter's WW -- *this* WW could get stomped by a lot of people...
Originally posted by tideoftime
EDIT: And, of course, that assumes the "general" current WW, and not the WW of her current story/plot-line, who *barely* qualifies as Linda Carter's WW -- *this* WW could get stomped by a lot of people...
Yea. Still getting a bead on how strong/fast she is, but much lower at the least.
Originally posted by Q99
Yea. Still getting a bead on how strong/fast she is, but much lower at the least.
Well, just a couple issues in, but I would venture to guess that she's considerably less powerful; her deflecting multiple machinegun fire for 3 or 4 panels before getting clipped in #602 is impressive by even metahuman standards, but much slower than her "standard" of the past two decades. Strength-wise, haven't noted anything impressive, as such, so...
Originally posted by tideoftime
Well, just a couple issues in, but I would venture to guess that she's considerably less powerful; her deflecting multiple machinegun fire for 3 or 4 panels before getting clipped in #602 is impressive by even metahuman standards, but much slower than her "standard" of the past two decades. Strength-wise, haven't noted anything impressive, as such, so...
Though the 'fall from a plane totally unharmed' wasn't bad.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I don't see why people think Mongul would win. He *might* have a slight strength and durability advantage. Without rings he's like a slightly smarter Solomon Grundy, someone who Diana has no trouble besting most of the time.
Mongul has War World and gone up against Superman??
Originally posted by Q99
Though the 'fall from a plane totally unharmed' wasn't bad.
Well, yeah -- but I'm thinking in general terms of WW as she's been over at least the past decade; the fall is "impressive" by human/most metahuman standards, but is waaayyyy short of being "just momentarily out of it after being punched by a near-sun Superman across the solar system and slamming into the Earth"-level feat. One is orders of magnitude more impressive than the other. Just saying, *relatively*, the current story/plot WW is a harken back to more Pre-Crisis, lower-level interpretations; even the Diana of the first few years of Perez was tougher/more powerful, but that is, of course, no doubt the point of the current arc...
[QUOTE=12948041]Originally posted by tideoftime
[B]He didn't one shot her - he got a good punch on her that temporarily BFR'd her (though not a proper BFR, by forum standards, as she returned just a few panels later); she cut him with her sword, which hurt him and pissed him off.
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If u read it that way, thats fine.
After he hit her through the wathtower wall,supes attacks with heat vision then also gets punched away. Mongul turns his attention to batman who he is about to kill when supes shows up and begins to pummel him with punches and H.V. leaving him ko'd. Supes then checks in on bats.
After all of this Diana finally shows up. So even though u saw it your way I think my interpretation is also plausible.
Originally posted by paisapower
[QUOTE=12948041]Originally posted by tideoftime
[B]He didn't one shot her - he got a good punch on her that temporarily BFR'd her (though not a proper BFR, by forum standards, as she returned just a few panels later); she cut him with her sword, which hurt him and pissed him off.****
If u read it that way, thats fine.
After he hit her through the wathtower wall,supes attacks with heat vision then also gets punched away. Mongul turns his attention to batman who he is about to kill when supes shows up and begins to pummel him with punches and H.V. leaving him ko'd. Supes then checks in on bats.
After all of this Diana finally shows up. So even though u saw it your way I think my interpretation is also plausible.
It's called "Plot/Pacing"...
It's called "Dialogue"...
It's called "Everybody getting their turn to be a part of the action"...
In a forum setting, things would be *very* different. Just taking that scene, for example, Supes and WW should be able to take Mongul down, given relative feats they all have. But, of course, that isn't how it's going to play out -- *story/plot* trumps, in all cases. But in a harsher forum battle (comparable to, say, the fight SM and WW had just about 3 weeks earlier, comic-time), WW withstood far greater force/assault than presented in just a single punch by Mongul. Upon return, she could (as Supes mistakenly *thought* she was about to) have seriously hurt/possibly killed Mongul via her strength/speed and magical sword. Just as valid, in the scene, and for a forum battle, as his punching her after her cutting him earlier.
Trust me: my view of the scene, translated into *proper* forum-battle standards, is quite clear... 😄
Originally posted by Q99
Was she even seen to be knocked out? She could've been standing outside shaking it off knowing Superman was still there.I don't know if you can call that a one-shot.
Yours is also a possibility. No, she was not shown to be Ko'd.
In any case ,as per this thread it was quite evident that he was shown to be superior
In the current continuity, pre and post Crisis Mongul have been merged - as many characters have, both 'For the man who has everything' and the Warworld fighting arc of Superman being into canon.
As for the thread, both versions of Mongul seemed to have Diana's number when they met (the aforementioned Moore story and Infinite Crisis) but I'd give it do Diana in a forum fight.