Leon S. Kennedy vs Metal Gear Solid 2

While Big Boss has his hands full with insane Ganados, Leon Kennedy finds himself at the Big Shell. Unlike the whiney Raiden, Leon, after facing down Umbrella's monsters and Ganados by the truckload, comes prepared.

Ashley's been kidnapped again by Solidus Snake and his Sons of Liberty cohorts. This time, however, Leon is armed to the teeth, and after a crash course in stealth training, he is ready to go.

Leon is armed with the following:

1. Blacktail Handgun, maxed
2. Riot Shotgun, maxed
3. Various grenades: normal, flame, flash and chaff
4. M-16 with M203 Grenade Launcher attachment (Montana Special)
5. Desert Eagle, with the HandCannon attributes, minus the slow recoil

He will get the H.F. Blade from Snake as usual.

Here's an interesting sidenote for Leon: Leon was supposed to be in Raccoon City on September 28 (the day of the Raccoon Outbreak), but he was holed up in a motel, drunk over the fact that his girlfriend had dumped him. He wouldn't show up at Raccoon until the next day. Lucky him.

I just wanted to point out that Raiden is not a rookie himself. He've been killing and trained to kill since his childhod.

On-topic.
I see Leon defeating Fatman.
But there is nothing he could do to beat Fortune.
And both Solidus and Vamp are too much for him.

Originally posted by Sam Z
I just wanted to point out that Raiden is not a rookie himself. He've been killing and trained to kill since his childhod.

On-topic.
I see Leon defeating Fatman.
But there is nothing he could do to beat Fortune.
And both Solidus and Vamp are too much for him.

I think Raiden couldn't do squat against Fortune either. So Let's make this interesting. As in his Scenario B in RE2, he has to face off against Mr. X once again, only this time, the T-102 can be a useful distraction with the soldiers and bosses, or it can bash his head in.

It would be amusing to see whether or not Fortune's Rail Cannon can do anything about a rampaging Mr. X, or if Vamp can kill him with his knives.

Or better yet, Mr. X saves Leon the trouble of fighting Vamp.

When Mr. X's body was changed after being dumped in the molten pit, he was extremely fast and deadly. He moved so fast his legs didn't even touch the ground when he lunged at you and he just glided across the room.

Leon could do the C4 thing no problem with Stillman's Coolent. He can beat Fatman, then sneak into the Shell 1 Core to find Ames. Then he'll have to fight the Harrier II which will be a problem but he's familar with heavy firepower though nto necessarily Stingers. He'll be really nice to Emma like Raiden was. However, the main difference will be when Olga/Ninja appears, he's not gonna be like Retard Raiden. His reflexes are good and his speed is decent and he'll definitely be aware enough not to just get cheap-shotted.

Anyway, he makes it pretty solidly. The guys he went up against would laugh at Vamp. Krauser vs. Vamp = Dead Vamp. Vamp is a "wizard with knives" but he never showed any kind of actual knife fighting skill which, of course, Krauser has as well as the speed to match Vamp's moves.

No Knife fighting skills.... all of his attacks were Knife based... and the video clip were he kills the Seals ... with his Knives

That's not what I meant. I meant knife fighting as in sword-fighting, knife against knife. We saw no shows of him having knife-to-knife combat knowledge or indeed how much of knife-to-knife combat skill he has. I'm not saying he doesn't have it or anything but it's not shown and assuming he's good at it is not an option.

All I can say is that Leon gets WTFpwned. He stands no chance at all.

Leon S. Kennedy, "first day on the job" survives the Raccoon City Incident which claimed the lives of most every experienced police personel around. The S.T.A.R.S. elite were all no match for the incident but the complete and total novice survived it.

In RE4, he defeats enemies that would laugh at Vamp in Krauser and Saddle One El Gigante could kill Raiden easily. As could Salazr's Right-Hand who had a crapload more agility than speed than anything Raiden fought.

The only even somewhat difficult bits will be the swordfight with Solidus and the fight with the RAYS. But, like I said, Leon is skilled and smart. He won't be knocked out by Olga like a chump or being blundering about going "derrrrrr?" He'll be ripping Gurlukovich's guys apart supplying awesome one-liners and making MGS2 amuch more memorable game thanks to the substitution of a loser hero with a badass one.

...dies when gets to fortune.
Or Vamp tears him a new one.

Well, since that elevator came for Raiden, I presume it comes for Leon, too.

And Vamp couldn't tear Leon a new one. He couldn't tear half the people Leon beat a new one. Krauser> Vamp by a good deal. The monsters Leon beat > Vamp by a good deal as well. Krauser vs. Vamp wouldn't even be close. He'd definitely make sure the freak stayed dead.

He only gets pass her if gets lucky like Raiden when he accidently hit Vamp. That was the reason why Fortune stopped fighting Raiden. And I hardly doubt it'd help Leon.
And Vamp WILL tear him a new one. Concidering that he moves as fast (or even faster than Krauzer), can paralize his opponents and pretty much immortal. And the monsters Leon beat <<< opponents Raiden had to face. And I'd also argue "Krauzer>Vamp" claim. Leon can't get pass Rays or Solidus.
But it doesn't matter because I still say he stops at Fortune.

He only gets pass her if gets lucky like Raiden when he accidently hit Vamp. That was the reason why Fortune stopped fighting Raiden. And I hardly doubt it'd help Leon.

Leon is an excellent shot with terrific reflexes. Krauser had his gun trained right on Leon and Leon managed to whip out an item, tossed it at Krauser and knocked his aim off and then proceeded to run ahead of Kruaser's fire and got to cover. It's pretty easy he'll nail Vamp between the eyes.

And Vamp WILL tear him a new one. Concidering that he moves as fast (or even faster than Krauzer), can paralize his opponents and pretty much immortal

Vamp's immortality is against bullets. He hasn't been stabbed or blown up. I want to see him take an explosive to the head and live to tell the tale. And he needs a shadow to paralyze the opponent. Plus Leon is extremely agile. No saying he couldn't just flip and move his shadow out of the way....

And the monsters Leon beat <<< opponents Raiden had to face.

I'm not liking Fortune's chances against El Gigante. I'm not like Fatman's chances against Salazar's Right-Hand. The only boss he fought who had a reasonable chance against Leon's bosses would be the RAYS and Harrier II.

And I'd also argue "Krauzer>Vamp" claim.

Feel free. Krauser can match Vamp's speed and has superior durability and actual knife-fighting skill. He is as good at stealth as Vamp.

Leon can't get pass Rays or Solidus.

Raiden had two seconds training with a sword and did it...

But it doesn't matter because I still say he stops at Fortune.

And I say he progresses.

Is Krauser immortal?

No. But is Vamp? I would like to know where the idea he is came from because all he's been through is just being shot in the head..... Not exactly a test to your immortality. Cut off his head and we'll see how immortal he is.

Well, dun think he is. But consider this, he can read muscle moment before they make it, deflecting bullets with ease, and srugs off to something like a bullet to the head...Don't know how Leon can beat him.

Maybe Leon just won't use bullets? Aren't there non-bullet weapons in MGS? 🙂 Besides, the fight Raiden had with vamp frequently had Vamp diving in that little weird pool. Leon could just kinda train a launcher on it, wait for a sign of Vamp coming to the surface and blast.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Maybe Leon just won't use bullets? Aren't there non-bullet weapons in MGS? 🙂 Besides, the fight Raiden had with vamp frequently had Vamp diving in that little weird pool. Leon could just kinda train a launcher on it, wait for a sign of Vamp coming to the surface and blast.

Leon never faced Vamp, so he doesn't know his powers. So I can -ASSUME-, Leon WILL use bullets.

Besides, Vamp killed three highly trained SEALS(the ones that combat terrorists) easily, without the pool. Vamp survived a church burning, lived from pierced into a crucifix, has superhuman speed and agility. As well can walk on walls and water. And more stated in my previous posts.

I don't think Leon can win this.

Leon never faced Vamp, so he doesn't know his powers. So I can -ASSUME-, Leon WILL use bullets.

If Leon is progressing through the game roughly the same as Raiden did, he shot Vamp in the forehead. So he should deduce from this that bullets are a bad idea.

Besides, Vamp killed three highly trained SEALS(the ones that combat terrorists) easily,

Very impressive. Though I take points away because one of them was randomly firing off his rifle and wasting his ammo in panic. I don't blame the guy...but it's the facts.

superhuman speed and agility. As well can walk on walls and water. And more stated in my previous posts.

Nothing particularly new to Leon.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
If Leon is progressing through the game roughly the same as Raiden did, he shot Vamp in the forehead. So he should deduce from this that bullets are a bad idea.

We saw Vamp shrug it off, so..

Bullets + Vamp = Useless.

Even if Leon didn't use his firearms and used other melee weapons, look at Vamp's introduction. His speed is mad, going from one place to another in half a second. Seeing as Vamp shrugs of bullets, don't know how melee can affect him either.

Originally posted by Nikkolas

Very impressive. Though I take points away because one of them was randomly firing off his rifle and wasting his ammo in panic. I don't blame the guy...but it's the facts.

You shouldn't blame that poor guy. One of his friends died unexpectly, their target was so fast they were shooting almost everywhere, and suddenly out of nowhere, his other friend got killed from behind, and knew he was next. You would really blame the guy for panicing?

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Nothing particularly new to Leon.

Same goes for Vamp, facing an expert combantant. Noting particulary new for Vamp.

IMO, Vamp will go so fast, Leon's chest will be slashed before he can do anything about it.

We saw Vamp shrug it off, so..

Bullets + Vamp = Useless.

Even if Leon didn't use his firearms and used other melee weapons, look at Vamp's introduction. His speed is mad, going from one place to another in half a second. Seeing as Vamp shrugs of bullets, don't know how melee can affect him either.

Who said anything about melee? There are explosive weapons at his disposal.

You shouldn't blame that poor guy. One of his friends died unexpectly, their target was so fast they were shooting almost everywhere, and suddenly out of nowhere, his other friend got killed from behind, and knew he was next. You would really blame the guy for panicing?

Read what I said again. "I don't blame the guy". It's just you said Vamp took out three SEALs which is true but I was just saying it was impressive, but I take away points from its total impressiveness factor because one of the said SEALs was in a wild panic.

Same goes for Vamp, facing an expert combantant. Noting particulary new for Vamp.

IMO, Vamp will go so fast, Leon's chest will be slashed before he can do anything about it.

Depends what kind of tactics he uses. If they are the same ones he used in MGS2, all he does is leap from one side of the room to the other and then into that pool. He'll throw knives at you and might aim for your shadow to paralyze you. He never did engage Raiden in actual melee.

If he does just go to kill Leon...then you are right. Leon is dead.