Originally posted by quanchi112Wow I don't know what to say to you nothing can express how I feel about that post no smiley no words I will just go watch the lakers try to win another before their fate is sealed good day to you sir.
Thanos had the willpower to survive the heart and become god. He does have greater willpower imo.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Again the sun amplifies Supermans power making him a lot more powerful. read the Superman/Darkseid battle in Superman/Batman to see how his punches hurt Darkseid a lot more after he was sunamped. His powers remain the same but makes everything he does far more lethal.Prove Kalibak and Mantis have superspeed. Even if so none of them used it on each other.
Yes I agreed that Superman is above WW and he should beat her. Of course she couldnt keep up he was sunamped and even without the sunamp he is still her better but not by much. I used to think so. WW wanted to get away long enoug to free Superman from his mindjob which she did. Supes amped not dominating her in 3 panels to me makes him not look as dominating over her as I previously would have thought.
Does Solomon Grundy have superspeed? What about the others I named?
I don't think you've been reading my post carefully. Mentioning what sun dipping does for superman is redundant. I know that, heck everyone knows that.
And I also don't care whether or not Superman dominates Wonder Woman, she's pretty fast herself and an accomplished martial artist as well (which somewhat evens the odds for her).
I care about identifying what difference sun amping made in the context of that particular fight. The truth is that the sun amp didn't manifest itself in the fight. Breaking WW's wrist and freezing her are nothing a non-amped supes couldn't do. In fact he's beaten her in the past (months before this fight) without a sun amp in a previous WW comic.
Kalibak has super speed and was supposedly even faster in the comic you misinterpreted. Mantis also has super speed. Grundy doesn't get speedblitzed because writers create entertainment and drama. I can't believe you don't recognize the effect the demand of drama makes in the outcome of comics.
Using Superman's full abilities, he should in theory speedblitz Grundy, Thanos and any other significantly slower guys. These forums are about pure theory uninfluenced by requirements of entertainment and plots. So in a theoretical fight, Thanos would get speedblitz.
Originally posted by AllanklesIt doesnt matter whether or not Superman could perform the same feat or not. The point is a sunamp powers him up and he didnt look that impressive at all. Even with an amp then you are saying it doesnt really alter superman. Is that what you are saying?
I don't think you've been reading my post carefully. Mentioning what sun dipping does for superman is redundant. I know that, heck everyone knows that.And I also don't care whether or not Superman dominates Wonder Woman, she's pretty fast herself and an accomplished martial artist as well (which somewhat evens the odds for her).
I care about identifying what difference sun amping made in the context of that particular fight. The truth is that the sun amp didn't manifest itself in the fight. Breaking WW's wrist and freezing her are nothing a non-amped supes couldn't do. In fact he's beaten her in the past (months before this fight) without a sun amp in a previous WW comic.
Kalibak has super speed and was supposedly even faster in the comic you misinterpreted. Mantis also has super speed. Grundy doesn't get speedblitzed because writers create entertainment and drama. I can't believe you don't recognize the effect the demand of drama makes in the outcome of comics.
Using Superman's full abilities, he should in theory speedblitz Grundy, Thanos and any other significantly slower guys. These forums are about pure theory uninfluenced by requirements of entertainment and plots. So in a theoretical fight, Thanos would get speedblitz.
Post the scans where Superman beat her prior. How did this change the fact Superman amped couldnt do anything to WW while being more powered up and while she was holding back.
I see all your excuses. Well heres the point. Mantis and Kalibak didnt show superspeed and neither did Superman. You havent proven Kalibak has it as well or Mantis for that matter. Try proving it because your opinions carry no weight unless you have an actualscan to back it up.
Thanos has dealt with speed before and pwned easily. Thanos pwns speed.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Have you considered the possibility that Thanos may be indeed overrated? At the very least in the eyes of the majority?
He is indeed overrated by some, but if you saw the poll before I upped the thread you would know that that it has definitely been tampered with. No biggie though.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Even with an amp then you are saying it doesnt really alter superman. Is that what you are saying?
What kind of question is that? If you keep using the fact that he amped as a stick to beat him with, you better make sure you can demonstrate how sun amping affected or changed the way the fight went. Can Superman break WW's wrist without sun amping? Yes. Can he freeze her without sun amping? Yes. So it is up to you to identify what the hell sun amping changed in that duel? Or don't you understand my point?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Post the scans where Superman beat her prior. How did this change the fact Superman amped couldnt do anything to WW while being more powered up and while she was holding back.
I don't have the scan but it was basically WW jumping Superman landing several unanswered punches and kicks, Superman getting annoyed and exerting his physical dominance before WW concedes defeat and reveals that she knew she couldn't win a fight with Superman but she could distract and weaken him enough that he won't be fast enough to stop a catastrophe near the sun and come back in time and interfere with what she had to do.
As I said I don't give a crap what Superman did or does to WW. I care that you explain how sun amping affected the duel. Unless you're talking about another fight because all Superman did was roar some words at WW, broke her wrist and froze her before WW used the tiara to slow him down a little.
Basically, he didn't do anything that differentiated his normal power level to his amped power level. It was an average performance by Superman's high standards and it clearly makes the fact that he sun amped irrelevant, since he didn't do anything an amped Superman does. Again, if you're trying to use this as a stick with which to beat Supes, you have to demonstrate how sun amping changes things, because if you read the comic sun amping didn't manifest itself in that fight.
Even while being an unimpressive performance, WW still claimed that she couldn't keep up with Superman.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I see all your excuses. Well heres the point. Mantis and Kalibak didnt show superspeed and neither did Superman. You havent proven Kalibak has it as well or Mantis for that matter. Try proving it because your opinions carry no weight unless you have an actualscan to back it up.Thanos has dealt with speed before and pwned easily. Thanos pwns speed.
Kalibak demonstrated an increased degree of super speed and Mantis has always had super speed. As I said, one of Mantis core abilities is super speed. And as I mentioned earlier Superman as a speedster can sometimes be overlooked by writers simply because he doesn't need speed in most of his duels, its a conscious decision by the writers often times. But every so often a writer will have Superman speed blitz one or even several opponents.
Thanos is slow, that fact doesn't change.
Originally posted by AllanklesYou dont seem to understand my point at all. Sun amping doesnt give him any new abilities. It just amplifies them. 😐
What kind of question is that? If you keep using the fact that he amped as a stick to beat him with, you better make sure you can demonstrate how sun amping affected or changed the way the fight went. Can Superman break WW's wrist without sun amping? Yes. Can he freeze her without sun amping? Yes. So it is up to you to identify what the hell sun amping changed in that duel? Or don't you understand my point?I don't have the scan but it was basically WW jumping Superman landing several unanswered punches and kicks, Superman getting annoyed and exerting his physical dominance before WW concedes defeat and reveals that she knew she couldn't win a fight with Superman but she could distract and weaken him enough that he won't be fast enough to stop a catastrophe near the sun and come back in time and interfere with what she had to do.
As I said I don't give a crap what Superman did or does to WW. I care that you explain how sun amping affected the duel. Unless you're talking about another fight because all Superman did was roar some words at WW, broke her wrist and froze her before WW used the tiara to slow him down a little.
Basically, he didn't do anything that differentiated his normal power level to his amped power level. It was an average performance by Superman's high standards and it clearly makes the fact that he sun amped irrelevant, since he didn't do anything an amped Superman does. Again, if you're trying to use this as a stick with which to beat Supes, you have to demonstrate how sun amping changes things, because if you read the comic sun amping didn't manifest itself in that fight.
Even while being an unimpressive performance, WW still claimed that she couldn't keep up with Superman.
Kalibak demonstrated an increased degree of super speed and Mantis has always had super speed. As I said, one of Mantis core abilities is super speed. And as I mentioned earlier Superman as a speedster can sometimes be overlooked by writers simply because he doesn't need speed in most of his duels, its a conscious decision by the writers often times. But every so often a writer will have Superman speed blitz one or even several opponents.
Thanos is slow, that fact doesn't change.
Again sunamping makes Superman more powerful which every comic book reader knows or should know when talking about Superman. This is common sense. Superman obviously was more powerful than before the sunamp. If he wasnt why in the hell woul dhe even bother amping himself if it made no difference at all? You dont even make sense at all.
WW also said she was holding back. Huge point right there. She wasnt fighting to kill and was holding back.
When did Kalibak show superspeed? Where,scans please because i think you are reaching for that one. Scans of Mantis as well.
Again many writers dont have Superman using superspeed and just brawling. Its in his character to do so. All in all the writers decide this not us.
Thanos isnt as fast but the fact remains he pwns these slow beings easily and he is way above top tier.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You dont seem to understand my point at all. Sun amping doesnt give him any new abilities. It just amplifies them. 😐Again sunamping makes Superman more powerful which every comic book reader knows or should know when talking about Superman. This is common sense. Superman obviously was more powerful than before the sunamp. If he wasnt why in the hell woul dhe even bother amping himself if it made no difference at all? You dont even make sense at all.
Why do you do this? Show me where I've claimed that sun amping gives him new powers? Or do you misunderstand my usage of the word "amping" i.e. amplifying. Must I spell it out for you? If you're going to make a point, you better make sure you know what you're talking about.
As I said I don't care what he did or didn't do, I want you to be able to identify the difference amping made in that fight. Where did the fact that he amped manifest itself in that fight? Because all he did was shout at WW while basically breaking her wrist and freezing her.
The actions speak louder than any narrative, if Superman doesn't do anymore than he could have done without any amping, what are we supposed to seriously consider here? He's either under performing. Or the Sun amp merely doesn't manifest itself in anyway. His freeze breath isn't more effective than it normally is. And breaking WW's wrist isn't more than a regular Superman can handle, her wrist a probably - outside of her fingers - the easiest spot to break.
Originally posted by quanchi112
WW also said she was holding back. Huge point right there. She wasnt fighting to kill and was holding back.
Again I don't really care who was holding back or not. Superman certainly doesn't need WW to hold back, that's probably the most irrelevant point you could make if you think about it.
Superman is no stranger to fights to the death with top tiers and beyond, and besides we have a counter statement by WW where she admits that Superman will physically overcome her if she doesn't do something to make him get back to his senses.
Originally posted by quanchi112
When did Kalibak show superspeed? Where,scans please because i think you are reaching for that one. Scans of Mantis as well.
In that same comic Kalibak demonstrates an increased degree of super speed (which along with Orion, Mantis, Lightray and a number of other New Gods, he always possessed). Again it's one of Mantis' abilities gifted to him by DS.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Again many writers dont have Superman using superspeed and just brawling. Its in his character to do so. All in all the writers decide this not us.
But every writer recognizes Superman' superspeed. Maybe not always displaying it in combat (because the writers know he doesn't need to). In any story arch where he has to get somewhere or do something quickly the writers deploy his speedster aspect. Even in comics like one year later (when Supes is just regaining his powers) he's able to stop bullets shot from hitting their target even though he has to travel quite a distance, and this is a very weak Superman who's just regained his ability to fly.