Darth Bane and Lord Kas'im run the gauntlet!

Originally posted by darthsith19
Cin and Qui-Gon would beat Anakin comfortably, though.

What kind of shit are you on, DS? Anakin would wipe his ass, inside and out, with Cin Drallig and Qui-Gon Jinn.

We've seen him effortlessly fend off Cin Drallig with one hand (whereas he usually uses two), whilst choking a padawan with the other, and then we find out he kills Drallig, too (obviously).

Qui-Gon lost to Darth Maul in thirty seconds flat. If you take into account that this is Qui-Gon who was fighting at his best in the movie than he had been previously, and had found "a fresh reserve of strength", it's becomes quite apparent that Qui-Gon doesn't hold a candle to duelists like Anakin.

TPM Obi-Wan had been able to anticipate Maul's movements because of his speed, Qui-Gon couldn't. And I wouldn't be hesitant to say that Anakin is almost as fast, if not just as fast as Darth Maul. But, he's also far more skilled and talented with a in regards to dueling prowess, he could kill Qui-Gon with one hand tied behind his back and blindfolded.

Anyways, there is no "comfortable" win by Cin and Jinn, seeing as they wouldn't even stand a snowballs chance in hell. Plus, neither have demonstrated any telekinesis on the level of Anakin, much less dueling skill. Which Anakin trumps them by leagues in (as well as every physical attribute).

yeah....Anakin slaughtered Cin in battle

Originally posted by darthsith19
1. Darth Maul and Obsession Asajj
2. Depa Billaba and Sora Bulq
3. EU General Grievous and ROTS Obi-Wan
4. ROTS Dooku, Tol Skorr and Sirak
5. Mace Windu and Anakin Skywalker (ROTS)
6. Yoda, Cin Drallig (ROTS) and Qui-Gon (TPM)
7. ROTS Sidious, OT Vader and Bastila Shan
8. DE Sidious and Darth Malak
9. NJO Luke and Darth Revan
10. They make it

1. If they make it, it'll be tough. Maul has mastered the double bladed saber, similar to how Kas'im has. Maul might be faster and stronger, though. Bane will go down after a tough fight to Asajj, due to her double bladed style. By POD, I'm not sure he's quite there yet... However, Bane and Kas'im could make it.
2. Depa has pure bladework that exceeds Mace's own, and would surprise the forms and patters of Kas'im's style with the ass-kicking power of Vaapad. Sora uses two lightsabers, which Bane can't seem to handle by POD, and uses Vaapad, an unseen and unpredictable style. My money's on the Vaapad characters here.

They most likely lose at two. On their best day with all favorable conditions, the farthest they could realistically go is 5.

Where did all this 'anyone who uses two sabers can pwn Bane' BS come from?
It wasn't just the fact that Bane was up against the dual blades, something which he is unfamiliar with, but also because he was up against fricking Kas'im!
And JJ, no, just no.

Bane has has a few months worth of training, maybe a year. Against Sora Bulq, Bane is up against a far more experienced opponent, who uses two blades and Vaapad. He's fighting in the dark. He won't have the slightest clue how to go about this fight.

Read Shatterpoint. Depa has better pure bladework that Mace, in a style that Kas'im, with all his patterns, has never even heard of. He will, be struggling the entire fight, until Sora comes and helps to finish him off.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
If that's the case, Anakin will simply behead her while she's on the ground not defending herself

What kind of shit are you on, DS? Anakin would wipe his ass, inside and out, with Cin Drallig and Qui-Gon Jinn.

We've seen him effortlessly fend off Cin Drallig with one hand (whereas he usually uses two), whilst choking a padawan with the other, and then we find out he kills Drallig, too (obviously).

Qui-Gon lost to Darth Maul in thirty seconds flat. If you take into account that this is Qui-Gon who was fighting at his best in the movie than he had been previously, and had found "a fresh reserve of strength", it's becomes quite apparent that Qui-Gon doesn't hold a candle to duelists like Anakin.

And I wouldn't be hesitant to say that Anakin is almost as fast, if not just as fast as Darth Maul.

But, he's also far more skilled and talented with a in regards to dueling prowess, he could kill Qui-Gon with one hand tied behind his back and blindfolded.

Bane has has a few months worth of training, maybe a year. Against Sora Bulq, Bane is up against a far more experienced opponent,

But Bane was a prodigy among prodigies, his training and experience really doesn't mean much when considering how quickly he progressed, and what he's done with that little training.

who uses two blades and Vaapad.

Sora might have the advantage with forms, I'll give you that, but Sora hardly possesses the same skills Bane has. And about Vaapad, it really ain't that much different than Juyo when it comes to moves and sequences, the main difference is mental.

He's fighting in the dark. He won't have the slightest clue how to go about this fight.

I agree that he's completely unfamiliar with Sora's form, but he's still strong enough in the force to anticipate Sora's moves, and that's all that Bane needs to do - anticipate the unfamiliar moves with the force. Sure, he was hardly able to do it against Kas'im, but Sora's no Kas'im; Kas'im mastered all 7 forms, and is much more skilled.

Also, given how aggressive Bane is, he'll likely put him on the defensive right away, and quickly overwhelm him with his superior skill and strength. Sora's unfamiliar style will mean jack if Bane doesn't allow him to use it.

Read Shatterpoint. Depa has better pure bladework that Mace,

1. How great a fighter's technique means little in lightsaber duels, when considering how fast someone is, how physically strong they are, how strong they are with the force, etc...

2. Mace was likely a Depa fanboy; he had trained her and she was like a daughter to him.

in a style that Kas'im, with all his patterns, has never even heard of. He will, be struggling the entire fight, until Sora comes and helps to finish him off.

Again, Vaapad isn't that much different to Juyo in terms of moves and sequences. And just to remind people, in terms of moves and sequences, what Mace did to Juyo, Kas'im did to all 7 forms. He also switched up between these forms, giving him a far more unorthodox style than fricking Vaapad.

Really, Bane and Kas'im would annihilate the duo.

Really....no. Vaapad's quite different in Juyo in style and ability

Originally posted by darthsith19
[B]And while he's beheading her OT Vader will behead him.

Lets see... Cin was said to be strong enough to take out EU Grievous, who put up a decent fight against Windu, so we know that Cin's one of the top ROTS Jedi. Qui-Gon put up a pretty good fight against Maul and rivals Mace Windu. I don't see Anakin taking them two.

Fighting with one hand isn't necessairly a disadvantage, Vader fights with one hand sometimes in the OT, Dooku fights with one hand alot, fighting with one hand instead of two doesn't say much. And what have we seen? Him block two swings from Drallig in the security cams? And your judging the entire fight off of those 2 seconds? Purr-lease.

he lost that quickly because he didn't have the room his form needed to be at it's best, otherwise he'd have lasted longer, as he lasts longer on Tatioone and then he's fighting Maul at his full strength and he hasn't found a new reserve of strength.

I find it hard to believe Mace would comfortably beat Kas'im, if he beats him at all.

Why? Mace's shown more skill, more abilities, the shatterpoint, better force usage, not to mention vaapad, which is a major disadvantage for Kas'im

Technically speaking, Kas'im is easily the greatest ever. He mastered all 7 forms (for all primary arts of the saber), and then spent decades improving them.

Physically, he's incredible, going by his descriptions in PoD.

His reflexes are off the scales.

He's also very strong in the force, given that he could defend against an attack that 'had enough power to shatter every bone in Kas'im's body and pulverize his flesh into a mass of pulpy liquid', and using the force to defend yourself is hardly a trait of the darkside.

In lightsaber combat? On paper, probably. But Jaina's (?) accounts of Luke in the Unifying Force are much more impressive than that of Kas'im or Bane. And this was against the Yuuzhan Vong - absolutely fierce melee fighters who are resistent to the attacks of the Force.

Man, I wish they would make the NJO in comic book format, can't be bothered to read all 20 books lol.

No point in reading the NJO. The synopsis in Wookiepedia is more thrilling than the actual books.

I got up to the one with Chewbacca's funeral, and I just got real bored after that.

have you seen Luke;s skill or description, Sexyback's? Or Mace's? Or Yoda's? Apparently not

Well the movies were good enough for me regarding Mace and Yoda, and I just happen to find Kas'im greater, based on his descriptions. Perhaps if they had never made the movies, and SW was all about books and comics, I might rate the movie characters higher, but because of the movies, I just don't.

Damn EU.

Mace may have shatterpoint but Kas'im's saber knowledge exceeds Yoda. Not saying he's more powerful than Yoda but if Mace cannot defeat Yoda in saber combat, what makes you think he can defeat someone with more saber knowledge?