Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: comics and racism...
Originally posted by Prof S.T.I.
Maybe a racists and a little bit naive, but hardly a moron. At least some of his sentences make sense.
No hes a moron.
Furthermore if black people hate black characters why is it on this forum that people were complaining that Apocalypse should be more powerful?
Originally posted by Francisco
Doombots had had bubble thoughts in the past. There's a lot of Doom's appearance atributed to Doombots with bubble thoughts.
PAY ATTENTION!!!!!!!!!! WHAT DID I SAY AFTER THAT????????? I SAID DOOMBOTS ARE SUPPOSED TO ACT LIKE DOOM??????? DO THE MATH SO IF THE BOT IS NOT RACIST THEN DOOM IS NOT RACIST!!!!!!!
ANYMORE EXCUSES??????
Originally posted by Francisco
Check it out
not to get involved in another race debate, but, this is not true
It is so ethically wrong to bring up racial questions in science that many realistic questions are just taboo to ask. It is unethical to look at why all the world record holders for the 100m sprint descend from one part of Africa, where all the holders for the 1500m are from another. Scientists are unwilling to ask these questions because idiots like you scare them out of it by calling them "racists".
Its very similar to how one of the sitting chairs of Harvard had to step down for hypothesizing that it is possible that the lack of women in mathematics and engineering could be attributed to real differences in information processing in their brains.
Science enforces equality to its own detriment.
Re: Re: comics and racism...
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Well, we all tolerate Spawn, who is a great fighter, and a black hero.
Luke Cage is a black hero who, in his own right, is very cool.
Goliath (RIP) was an intelligent man, and most Avengers fans liked him. Ultimate Nick Fury, though he\'s essentially Sam Jackson with an eyepatch, is awesome.
Jim Rhodes (War Machine) is an AMAZING superhero.
The Post-Crisis Mr. Teriffic is the third smartest man on DC earth.
and the list goes on.If you\'re making reference to the Black Panther comic, written by Reggie Hudlin, who is a known bigot and jackass, then your statement is unfounded. Reggie has proven time, and time again that he\'s an egotistical jerk. This guy went on Alvaros and was interviewed, and then when people started questioning his series, he created sock accounts to back himself up. I actually think he\'s the first writer ever to be banned from a website.
So, saying that everyone is racist against Hudlin is honestly dumb. The horrible thing is if you reverse the statement, it\'s the truth.
Reginald Hudlin hates white people.
Oh the Hypocrisy.
F.uck you Marcus or Thunderstrike or whatever you\'re calling yourself.
I\'m not as good at hiding/changing my i.p. address as you and Whirly so I get caught.
Perhaps I should have asked how it was done first.
But don\'t pick on me for something you\'re doinig now.
You Twa.t
this thread, just wow......
1)Hudlins writing is trash and YES i have read a few books....it's trash
2)There are more second string American heroes, then second string minorities, simply because they are TRYING to promote equality.
3) Ass-hats like you are picking at "oh, he lost because he is *wtfever*" no one cares about race, NOT IN A COMIC BOOK FORUM, i consider all of you my equals, white, black, Hispanic, Asian, polish, Australian, south American..blah blah you get my point. power-sets, and abilities are what count, THATS IT.
4) before you start up with those "self-hating Negroes" or those "racist white boy" comments, i am neither, i am Hispanic.
take that racist, ignorant, biased posting somewhere else; for all we know YOU'RE Hudlin in disguise.
Re: Re: Re: comics and racism...
Originally posted by Reggie_Hudlinspeak of the sock devil 🙄
Oh the Hypocrisy.F.uck you Marcus or Thunderstrike or whatever you\'re calling yourself.
I\'m not as good at hiding/changing my i.p. address as you and Whirly so I get caught.
Perhaps I should have asked how it was done first.
But don\'t pick on me for something you\'re doinig now.
You Twa.t
sorry for the double post
Re: comics and racism...
Originally posted by Francisco
It's the comic industry and its fans racist or not? Why it is that when a black character gets a book everyone seems to instantly agree that the art or the writer sucks but when the character is white they love him even if the writer and the artist are the same? Why the comic industry keeps making the same mistakes over and over while expecting to have different results? Why it is that when a black writer speaks about race and discrimination he is immediatly chalked as racist but when a white does the same he becomes a hero and is prized by his effort? Why can't the fanboys tolerate a strong, intelligent black hero?
Um, I don't really notice any of this for the most part. There's strong black writers and characters in comics. Maybe not as much as there should be, but they're there.
It's also more than a little naive to broadly paint all of comic-dom as "fanboys" who can't accept a black hero. Quit trying to pick fights that don't really exist.
Re: Re: comics and racism...
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I have no beef with John Stewart, Cyborg, Crispus Allen, Steel, oh...wait ...that's DC. Never mind...
Originally posted by Alfheim
No hes a moron.Furthermore if black people hate black characters why is it on this forum that people were complaining that Apocalypse should be more powerful?
Wait, wait, isn't Apoc egyptian? He's pale grey with blue lips. How does he figure into being black? As for power, he should be more powerful. He's the most underrated and underwritten top tier villain on earth. (Key phrase: on earth. I know his limits and that statement is meant to exclude cosmics and non-earth based villains.)
About that pic, is that real or fake? either way it's a laugh riot. 😆 🤣
Btw, Wrathful was listing black heroes and then stopped when he realized all the ones they had named were DC. Is it a coincidence? No way. It just proves that DC has better writing. Not to mention the spectacular Green Arrow/ Green Lantern comics from a few years ago. They dealt with social issues like racism brilliantly. So the question isn't why isn't there a legitimate discussion on race/racism. It's 'why is Marvel not doing it?' Hudlin may be an extreme example, but he represents Marvel's failure to create a clear and open dialogue in their comics. Think about it, people hate this guy and want him taken off BP and other works. He has bastardized Dr. Doom and countless other characters, and yet....Marvel has not sacked him or taken him off the comics he has wrecked. I think that sends a fair view of their perception of race in comics.
I wish Reggie Hudlin was here so we could ask him wht he is trying to do with his new Black Panther series.
Originally posted by Reggie_Hudlin
Oh the Hypocrisy.F.uck you Marcus or Thunderstrike or whatever you\'re calling yourself.
I\'m not as good at hiding/changing my i.p. address as you and Whirly so I get caught.
Perhaps I should have asked how it was done first.
But don\'t pick on me for something you\'re doinig now.
You Twa.t
whistling
Personally, I just don't find Hudlin's writing particularly good. If the book didn't involve race issues at all, and didn't attempt to rewrite and recharacterize classic characters, such as Doom, it still wouldn't make a difference.
it's poorly written. As in, it's not good story telling; nothing leads between events, there is no conceivable challenge for the lead character, all the guest characters don't really say or do anything interesting but worship or attack the main character, T'Challa doesn't change or even really think between panels.
It's really just incredibly poorly written. if it had nothing to do with race at all, it would still be one of the worst books marvel is putting out right now.
Re: Re: Re: comics and racism...
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Wait, wait, isn't Apoc egyptian? He's pale grey with blue lips. How does he figure into being black? As for power, he should be more powerful. He's the most underrated and underwritten top tier villain on earth. (Key phrase: on earth. I know his limits and that statement is meant to exclude cosmics and non-earth based villains.)About that pic, is that real or fake? either way it's a laugh riot. 😆 🤣
Btw, Wrathful was listing black heroes and then stopped when he realized all the ones they had named were DC. Is it a coincidence? No way. It just proves that DC has better writing. Not to mention the spectacular Green Arrow/ Green Lantern comics from a few years ago. They dealt with social issues like racism brilliantly. So the question isn't why isn't there a legitimate discussion on race/racism. It's 'why is Marvel not doing it?' Hudlin may be an extreme example, but he represents Marvel's failure to create a clear and open dialogue in their comics. Think about it, people hate this guy and want him taken off BP and other works. He has bastardized Dr. Doom and countless other characters, and yet....Marvel has not sacked him or taken him off the comics he has wrecked. I think that sends a fair view of their perception of race in comics.
Look at the Wiki list for Black Superheroes. There are many at both DC and Marvel. The existance of such a list isn't degrading - Wiki has lists of Jewish Superheroes, Heroes with Super Strength, that can fly, and so on. Just part of making lists is all.
Don't give DC too many props. Marvel was the trailblazer in the 1970's with this kind of thing. People point at Luke Cage - what about DC with Black Racer and Black Lightning? What kind of names are those? And the Green Lantern/Green Arrow series by Denny O'Neil and Neal Adams, was an ambitious but over-hysterical failure. GA was just a mouthpiece for O'Neil's 60's radicalism.