Tug of War Match ... between really Marvel Titans....

Team one wins in the strength department, but that doesn't automatically mean they can win a tug of War match......Juggernaut can be stopped physically, but not under these circumstances with THIS many characters. Then again, who the hell knows.

In a tug or war match Juggs isn't going to have the ability to begin moving at any pace at all so it's just his base strength against the others..

Still give hulk a few slaps to the ass or caps shield to the back of his melon and team one takes it..

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
In a tug or war match Juggs isn't going to have the ability to begin moving at any pace at all so it's just his base strength against the others..

Still give hulk a few slaps to the ass or caps shield to the back of his melon and team one takes it..

Errmm...they put him at the very end of the rope, and he lets it slack a little bit. He takes a half step back to remove the slack from the rope, and doesn't stop moving. He'll drag this team across the world, striking a meridian, if he damn well pleases.

Originally posted by Evangel94
That was "Trion" Juggernaut who was directly being influenced by Cytorak himself.

I don't think Cyttorak had anything to do with that. It was an entity called Trion that possessed Juggernaut.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
In a tug or war match Juggs isn't going to have the ability to begin moving at any pace at all so it's just his base strength against the others..

Read what the above poster said. Plus if the ground were to give way, deepin because of his footsteps, that is also momentum.

Team two takes this.

Originally posted by Evangel94
For Juggernaut to be stopped, obviousely he needs to actually needs to begin "moving" ala build up momentum. That's what the word implies.

never implied that to me... all he has to do is start moving, and he's unstoppable. nothing builds up, that would imply over a period of time. like hulks anger.

Originally posted by Evangel94
In an exiles version of Juggernaut, Juggernaut was held in a maximum security mutant prison. Juggernaut was restrained and locked down, so he could not build up momentum and use his "juggernaut" movement powers. Although it's not "canon", that Juggernaut, had the same powers as the classic 616 Juggernaut. Even the movie version of Juggernaut was held down the same way in X-Men 3. Juggernaut needs to actually begin moving to be an "unstoppable" force.

irrelavant. but i'll touch on the juggernaut anyway. he was in no way at all like his 616 counterpart. he had scars all over his body (implying, since you like that word) that he didnt have the same invulnerability. also, he was a mutant... kinda like the movie juggernaut. not the MYSTICALLY empowered juggernaut. you are way off base on this one.

Originally posted by Evangel94
Obviously, lot's of things can stop the juggernaut. He only has a skyfather level enchantment.

speculation. although odin still couldnt stop juggernaut... PHYSICALLY. despite being loads more powerful.

Originally posted by Evangel94
Many capable powerhouses can either bypass it on completely overpower it.

again way off base. you cant just over power it. its magic. the spell says juggernaut is invulnerable and unstoppable. its just like gravity. if a powerhouse drops a glass of water, and a bruce banner also. they fall the same way. doesnt matter how strong the guy is dropping the glass. it doesnt matter how strong you are. you cant stop him.

Originally posted by Evangel94
Remember that it's cytorak whose "giving" power to Juggernaut, so if a character who is more powerful than cytorak attacks Juggernaut, then it's game over.

nobody really knows where he is. and nobody on that team is anywhere near cyttorak level... oh and i never forgot.

Originally posted by Evangel94
And with regards to the Dimensional Barriers breaking, that's not even the same Juggernaut we're talking about in this discussion. That was "Trion" Juggernaut who was directly being influenced by Cytorak himself.

no cyttorak did not influence him... you are still off. a touch up of juggernaut might help you. he has also did it under his OWN power, and his OWN mind.... so that rules that out.

Because an adamantium rope being pulled by both these teams is going to allow any area for slack? No. He doesn't get a change to get moving, build momenteum etc. Team one still takes it

Again, Juggernaut wins this for team 2...and Hulks base strength is not on the level of Mangogs.. Unless its a completely enraged Mindless Hulk, team 1 hasn't a chance.

Team 2 wins this EASILY

Team 2 ftw, IMO Hulk is a little overrated

Originally posted by KillAll
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I don't want to waste my time picking apart your post to point out the errors and obviously laced insults that insinuate that I lack information on the Juggernaut. Real "mature". Instead of debating like a mature poster, you decide to throw insulting innuendos. 🙄

1. Juggernaut has been stopped physically before.

a.) Onslaught, War Hulk, and Regular Hulk have all stopped him and tossed him around like a rag doll.

b.) Nimrod, Vision, Nightcrawler, Beast, even Spiderman, and certain forcefields have completely stopped or stunned Juggernaut momentarily for him to stop as well.

2. You take things way too literally. Cyttorak is a sky-father level being. His enchantment only works up to a certain point. If a being more powerful than the power Juggernaut is being supplied from Cyttorak attacks Juggernaut, Juggernaut will be stopped, and/or hurt depending on the character. "Unstoppable" works up only to a certain point.

3. Cyttorak was inhabiting the body of "Trion" Juggernaut himself as a vessel. That's what gave juggernaut all that dimensional breaking power.

There are people here who have never read Mangog.

Here, do the service, please:

http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,93025.1120.html

Saying Hulk, Thor or Hercules are in this cl are using nothing but whisfull thinking. Its dowrigth absurd.

And you dont need to have lifting feats to translate on how strong you are, we`ve been on this already. Doomsday doesnt have any and hes stronger than Superman in some incarnations by the simple reason he beat him.

Point taken: when have you seen Hercules or Hulk dismiss Thor`s attacks like this, i wonder?

Originally posted by olympian
There are people here who have never read Mangog.

Here, do the service, please:

http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,93025.1120.html

Saying Hulk, Thor or Hercules are in this cl are using nothing but whisfull thinking. Its dowrigth absurd.

And you dont need to have lifting feats to translate on how strong you are, we`ve been on this already. Doomsday doesnt have any and hes stronger than Superman in some incarnations by the simple reason he beat him.

Point taken: when have you seen Hercules or Hulk dismiss Thor`s attacks like this, i wonder?

Sorry I'm new, and you're English is quite hard to follow sometimes. Are you suggesting that because Doomsday died at the hands of Superman, he is far stronger ? Was Muhammad Ali FAR stronger than George Foreman? The same applies to Mangog, beings such as the Destroyer, Thanos and even Superman (In the canon crossover) have put down Thor quicker than the Mangog, what does that say about his so called strength level ?

Originally posted by Evangel94
For Juggernaut to be stopped, obviousely he needs to actually needs to begin "moving" ala build up momentum. That's what the word implies.

In an exiles version of Juggernaut, Juggernaut was held in a maximum security mutant prison. Juggernaut was restrained and locked down, so he could not build up momentum and use his "juggernaut" movement powers. Although it's not "canon", that Juggernaut, had the same powers as the classic 616 Juggernaut. Even the movie version of Juggernaut was held down the same way in X-Men 3. Juggernaut needs to actually begin moving to be an "unstoppable" force.

Yeah I've always wondered that myself, I couldn't ever understand why he couldn't just use his apparent mountain moving strength to break the withstraints ?

Originally posted by Got da virus
Sorry I'm new, and you're English is quite hard to follow sometimes. Are you suggesting that because Doomsday died at the hands of Superman, he is far stronger ? Was Muhammad Ali FAR stronger than George Foreman? The same applies to Mangog, beings such as the Destroyer, Thanos and even Superman (In the canon crossover) have put down Thor quicker than the Mangog, what does that say about his so called strength level ?

Weaker than Superman when Superman even with the backup of the rest of the Justice League team, couldnt do much damage? And yet, how many lifting feats did he had in that arc? Zero.

How about the Doomsday in the following arcs? In Hunter/Prey he beated Darkseid into the sand, and again Superman alone couldnt do anything to him. He actually had the arm broken from a single move by Doomsday. And yet..no lifting feats again. Was he weaker than Superman?

Lets look at a Marvel comics example now. Abomination when he first popped up didnt had lifting feats. Why is he argued then, as stronger than the Hulk at the time? Perhaps because, he simply punched him into the dirt. Wasent even a figth. And yet...no lifting feats. Was he weaker? No. Simply put, if you constantly go against guys that strong and show to have a close/equal or superior measure, then you are in that class. Even if you dont have lifting feats to show. If you do, even better, more to discuss.

Mangog falls in that category. He swated Thor away, effortsly in ways i have yet see the Hulk or Hercules do. Usually it would take Odin`s effort into battle to tip the favor in theyr`r side. And yet just because he has no lifting feats like some guys do, hes suposse to be weaker? No.

Thanos and Superman putting Thor down quickeir isent an account of nothing. Mangog usually is more busy destroying Asgard and dealing with the whole staff (Odin, Loki, etc) than just dealing with Thor. Not to mention, alot of the match that we saw in the JL/Avengers crossover happened off panel.

Originally posted by Evangel94
I don't want to waste my time picking apart your post to point out the errors and obviously laced insults that insinuate that I lack information on the Juggernaut. Real "mature". Instead of debating like a mature poster, you decide to throw insulting innuendos. 🙄

1. Juggernaut has been stopped physically before.

a.) Onslaught, War Hulk, and Regular Hulk have all stopped him and tossed him around like a rag doll.

b.) Nimrod, Vision, Nightcrawler, Beast, even Spiderman, and certain forcefields have completely stopped or stunned Juggernaut momentarily for him to stop as well.

3. Cyttorak was inhabiting the body of "Trion" Juggernaut himself as a vessel. That's what gave juggernaut all that dimensional breaking power.

Juggernaut has only been stopped, from a charge, by War Hulk and Thor's Godblast. None of those others have physically stopped him from a charge, which is where he is unstoppable.

It wasn't Cyttorak that was possessing Trion Juggernaut, it was the Trion.

Originally posted by Evangel94

1. Juggernaut has been stopped physically before.

a.) Onslaught, War Hulk, and Regular Hulk have all stopped him and tossed him around like a rag doll.

May I ask when Hulk stopped him? Without the celestial upgrade?

Originally posted by Betageuze
on the left:

Savage Hulk
Thor
Thing
Immortal Hercules
Wonderman
Namor
Sasquatch
Team Captain: Captain America

versus:

Classic Juggernaut
Abomination
Wendigo
Rhino
Gladiator
Mangog
Ulik
Team Captain: Baron Zemo II

Referees: Pretcon Beyonder and the Watcher

7 against 7 ... no interference from outside.. with a rope made of adamantium

who wins ?

Juggernaut Doubts:
First off, his strength hasn't showed a limit, cause he draws energies from Cyttorak, in his classic form, he went toe to toe with Thor as well as with other strong characters.
Speaking of his durability and "Unstoppable" ability:
GodForce Blast slowed him for a bit, but in their rematch Thor used Mjolnir to negate Cyttorak's magic in a sufficient manner to STUN Juggy with a punch, and no one can say to had stun Juggy with his bare hands.
Hulk enhanced by Apocalypse Celestials based technology and drawing energies from the HR and 616 Universe was able to stop him, but this was a majorly enhanced Hulk.

Mangong's abilities:
Strengthwise, he's listed as incalculable, he can go fist to fist with any top tier.Durability wise, it took a GF in the throath to kill him.