^^ The Greeks were weird. 😄
I actually don't like waffles that much...mostly because I can't eat them. *weeps*
But I think the comparison was just to signify where the men stand in Elizabeth's mind, and what other symbolic items would you have used in their place?
A beautiful field of flowers and one interesting bud? A bazooka and a cap gun? Ooh, this is a fun game...someone else take a turn. 😄
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^^ She'd be crazy not to be. James is sexy in brocade or in...slightly dirtier and very torn up brocade. 😄Oh, and Misty...Implied isn't the same as confirmed. Since the writer himself opens the possibility that other sources of 'vexation' exist means that they should be given equal weight.
but seeing as a strong theme in the movie appears to be vexation by a woman..its pretty pbvious he's vexed by Liz
Although..I think its a tad deeper...big clock...biological clock
^^ Nobody mentioned a fruitcake, so that doesn't even make sense. 😉 We're talking about delicious meals and interesting waffles, not fruitcakes. 😄
Also, James does not just want his career back; he is trying to be the man he was BEFORE the mess with Barbossa happened. Think about what it must have been like, trying to write a report over what happened with the Black Pearl. He couldn't tell the truth, because people would think he's crazy...so he probably had to lie, which just makes him look completely incompetent.
Add that to his emotional state when he went chasing Jack, the fact that he may have known what was going to happen to himself, Will and Elizabeth if he DIDN'T get Jack back, and then the physical and emotional trauma of the hurricane and loss of his men.
It's not a career he's trying to get back. It's his life, his ability to be a good leader and a good man...to be able to make sound choices without those pesky emotions getting in the way...that's what he wants. He believes that Beckett is his key to that life, so he takes his chance.
In AWE, I believe he will see things for what they really are, and change modes once again. After all, the third movie will be about redemption.
LovelyOne, men don't have biological clocks. 😉 He already has a kid, and it ain't Liz's.
Misty: Are you calling Jack Sparrow 'mini' or 'small'? 😄
^^ Nobody mentioned a fruitcake, so that doesn't even make sense. 😉 We're talking about delicious meals and interesting waffles, not fruitcakes. 😄
You are still stuck in 2006. If you can see when we talk about fruit cake, we talk about Will. And it's great we're talking about delicious meals and interesting waffle NOT waffles. Because the only delicious waffle and the only satisfying is Jack.
Also, James does not just want his career back; he is trying to be the man he was BEFORE the mess with Barbossa happened. Think about what it must have been like, trying to write a report over what happened with the Black Pearl. He couldn't tell the truth, because people would think he's crazy...so he probably had to lie, which just makes him look completely incompetent.
James is another story. He is a fellow who wants his life back. Nothing much to say.
Add that to his emotional state when he went chasing Jack, the fact that he may have known what was going to happen to himself, Will and Elizabeth if he DIDN'T get Jack back, and then the physical and emotional trauma of the hurricane and loss of his men.
He chose this mission to go after Jack. So his emotional and physical trauma is no one to blame.
It's not a career he's trying to get back. It's his life, his ability to be a good leader and a good man...to be able to make sound choices without those pesky emotions getting in the way...that's what he wants. He believes that Beckett is his key to that life, so he takes his chance.
Sadly, he would do anything including kissing Beckett's booty in order to get his life back.
In AWE, I believe he will see things for what they really are, and change modes once again. After all, the third movie will be about redemption.
Me too. And hopefully wake up before he even thinks about serving Beckett again. I know he will wake up and know that he could do things better by himself then counting on a bully like Beckett. I have faith.
LovelyOne, men don't have biological clocks. 😉 He already has a kid, and it ain't Liz's.
Yes Jack's kid is Will. Jack and Liz decided to adopt him. And yes, men do have biological clocks, actually.
My point about the fruitcake comment, Chiki, is that TnT did not mention fruitcakes in their quote. 😉 They compare Will to a 'delicious meal', and Jack to an 'interesting waffle'.
You can certainly say what you like, but just because you change what the writer says to make yourself feel better, it doesn't mean that you are right. 😄
Also, how many men do you see discussing how they need to hurry up and get married so they can have a kid before they are unable to? Not many, if any, mainly because once a male has reached maturity, his boys are good to go practically up until he dies. 😉 Women have the biological clock because we sort of have a dead-line on fertility. 😄
It's not so much "i need to have a kid before i run out of sperm"... i think, rather, I need to decide what's important (maybe relationships/family) before I lose my life to one of the evil villians who has claim to it.
Try to think of it more as a Captain Hook ticking crock clock--- the clock is hunting him down, and if Hook would have called it quits on Peter and sailed away from neverland, he could have lived happily ever after, too.
So Jack just needs to decide whether his relentless pursuit of adventure, treasure, women, freedom is really worth his life, or if he would actually be happier in the long run choosing a different path.
Plus, with the numerous comments about an heir to leave the piece of eight to, and the necessity for Jack to find a new place in the world, it seems logical that he step into some different roles as far as fatherhood, love, whatever.
and who said he already had a kid? is that just wishful thinking, or what? 😉
You can certainly say what you like, but just because you change what the writer says to make yourself feel better, it doesn't mean that you are right.
I take offense of that. I don't play with the writers words in order to make me feel better. And jsut because you posted this comment to make you feel better that i'm wrong, doesn't mean you are right.
Kate: I think he may actually already have a child. The comment about Jack knowing what he wants but being loathe to claim it as his own just made me wonder, because Elizabeth isn't really 'his' to claim...and I don't think Tia was talking about the heart.
I suspect that he already has a child out there somewhere, but that he is loathe to be a daddy. When he said "A woman" to the question about being vexed, I don't think he was thinking only of Elizabeth. And if the rumors hold true that both Elizabeth and his dad help him out of the quagmire of his emotions, I can think of only one way that both his dad and Elizabeth could be involved. 😄
Chiki: There is a slight tendency to change around what the writers say, such as your 'Because the only delicious waffle and the only satisfying is Jack.' ....That isn't what the writers implied at all. What they implied was that the waffle is interesting, but that doesn't make you want that meal any less. Not that the waffle or meal is 'better' than the other, and there's nothing mentioned about satisfaction. 😄
I just take issue with using someone's words and adding to them, or changing them around to how it suits you. And by "you", I don't mean you personally, Chiki...it's just a general 'you'.